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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: kingell on 14 July 2005, 15:31
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Ok guys. Here's the situation:
I only just passed my test 2 weeks ago on my 20th birthday (late learner i know). And 2 days later i went down to blackbushe car auction and picked up a nice Mk4 for 5000. Then insured it for ONLY 680 a year on my own :wink:
It's a 1.8 GTI, non turbo. 125BPH.
When i first got in it, it felt like sh!t off a shovel. Now my tollerance has become immune to its speed. Making it feel slow and slugish :(
I'm guessing a turbo would be my first step to tuning this up. I need recommendations on what to buy, where to buy it from.
Also. What other steps could i take to taking up the horse power on this?
All recommendations are welcome and extremely appreciated.
Cheers
Ell
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Sell it and buy a 1.8t, but I bet your insurance will double :undecided:
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No way. 800 tops.
Anyway. Please help :wink:
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Its not worth modding a non turbo, because they give very little power gains :sad:
£800, i doubt you would get 25bhp for that :undecided:
If I was you I would just live with it and maybe go for the usual upgrades, wheels, exhaust and filter :undecided:
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That's the thing though, i want to buy a turbo for it. And would like information so i can make a decision of whether to turbo it or not.
I don't know much on the matter unfortunately. :rolleyes:
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A turbo conversion will cost you about 2K, which is why you are better off selling then buy a 1.8t
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And there's no way of picking this up any cheaper? :cry:
So to add 25bhp i need to pay 2000?
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The turbo's are cheap enough on egay, but its the work involved fitting it that is the cost. I just had a quick scan, but cant get a price of a turbo conversion in the uk, but its $3k in the USA to give you an idea.
At the end of the day, like many people on here have said, what is the point in you making something which VW already make.
Check out Egay for a second hand 1.8t engine, but to get it fitted aswell, I think £800 is a bit ambitious. :sad:
Sorry mate, not trying to p@ss on your bonfire, just stating the fact.
Like I said, i would go for the wheels, exhaust, filter option and then at least it will lookand sound a hell of a lot nicer :smiley:
Good luck
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Nah that's cool dude, just asking an honest opinion.
I may well buy an engine a few months down the line. and sell mine at the same time. is 800 quid fitting included then? and how much will i get for a 1.8 GTi engine which has done 73,000 miles do you reckon?
And last question... Any other ways i can increase bhp?
Ta
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Just search the forums for mods and ebay is your best place to see how much your engine is worth :undecided:
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Normally Aspirated engines are very expensive to tune when comparing them to their turbo counterparts.
The simplest and most cost effective mods for a non-turbocharged engine are exhaust and air filter. This aids getting more air (and therefore fuel) into the engine, and then out of it. A good exhaust and airfilter might (MIGHT) get you 10-15bhp. This will cost you in the region of £400.
Beyond that, you are looking at head-work, replacement camshafts and enlarging capacity, all of which cost quite a bit, and if you go too far will make the car very 'peaky'.
Sourcing a turbo lump and fitting to your car seems like an awful lot of hassle. You've only owned the car for a matter of weeks, so I doubt there's a heavy emotional attachment to that car - sell up and buy a good 1.8t (i have a friend who has one for sale, pm me if you want details).
Then you can start looking at tuning that, and £500 will yield you 200bhp without too many problems.
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this question crops up all the time, and to be honest turbo charging the AGN motor for 2 grand would mean doing most of the work yourself, you're talking turbo, manifolds, downpipe, pistons, rods, plumbing and piping of intercooler/oil&water feeds, sump, ecu upgrade.. i hope that's convinced you that an engine swap would be easier :grin:
as said above though the best thing you can do, is sell it and buy a 1.8T if you're after power.. adding the word "engine modifications" to your insurance policy before you're 25 is a complete nightmare (i've only got 6 months to go !! :laugh: )
sports cat (or de-cat if you're friendly with your MOT tester), full exhaust, maybe a custom downpipe to match, decent air intake and a ecu remap/chip should see you pushing the 140bhp mark.. next logical step after that would be internal mods like cams and head porting/flowing .. after doing all that is the time most people decide to go forced induction.
as for your engine, might get 600 quid for it if you're lucky, more if you break it and sell bits seperately.
toph.
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looks like i've typed exactly what mr. ferrari was saying above :grin: oh well.. 2 heads better than one and all that, at least you can see its pretty much a general opinion :laugh:
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I agree with Si and Topher....
I've got the same model as you (1.8 NA Mk4 GTI), and I've done a bit of research on this subject myself. You might be able to get over 140bhp if you remap it, and get a free flowing exhaust and filter. This will cost you the best part of a grand altogether.   :shocked:
The insurance will be cheaper for a stock golf GTI turbo, than one you've 'created' from your current car. Plus, no-one will want to buy it when you come to sell it - they'll just buy a standard one, cos they know what they're getting.
Like everyone else says ... just swap it for a quicker model when you're insurance is cheaper. In the mean-time, just get some new wheels and drop your suspension a few cms. I turned 25 in April, and I'm still deciding what new car to get now :laugh: Audi S3 is my current fav.
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The 25 year old rule is a load of bollox, when you turn 25 they just tell you it will go down when ur 30, mine hardly went down at all when i was 25 and I have always had high grouped motors :angry:
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Mine went down quite a lot. Now pay about £480 fully comp.
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reet, my bit!!!
i have on eof these and i know how lame they feel (believe me!!), i tried a k+n 57i kit and made no difference, im still running stock airbox and exhaust, but if you can get some one to remove your cat and make you a pipe up for the sensors to fit in, then maybe and airfilter,youll be looking at 10-12 bhp, then with a remap (costly and you dont get alot for it) nearer the 140-145 mark if your lucky,  its not the fact there a bad un der powered engine and im not going to explain why cause there not, this is basically a 20v version of the old 16v lump what kicked serious horses, just packaged in a heavey car, and detuned for emissions and noise and that if tuned it could upset the 1.8t market!!
tuning is differnet though, as it runs a vvt (variable valve timing), which alters the inlet cam timing accordingly high in the revs, now if you can get a independant ecu controller, bang on some webber 40/45 carbs and rip the cat out youd be up there in terms of horses, but i dont know of anyone  brave enough to attempt it???
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Cheers for your help guys. I'll continue posting here as it will teach me something.
I think i'll leave it. Maybe sell it and buy a nice 3 door mk4 1.8 Gti T.
As for richy - Amen to the S3 dude. I was gonna go for an A3, just went for the golf in the end, now i also have my eye on an S3 for the future. Maybe when I'm 21/22. insurance will cane though :(
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£480, f@ck me mine is almost half that and I thought that was dear