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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Daz Auto on 12 October 2012, 22:11
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This is going to be a controvertial thread :evil:
Does anyone regret buying a car with DSG? I have been driving my car for over a year now. Mostly I don't regret DSG, but sometimes I do. :undecided:
DSG is great! For 95% of my driving - I love it. Pulling away from any stop is an effortless revelation! However...
... I wish I had a manual for most overtaking. And I love to overtake. I have tried everything - kick down switch, paddles, S mode and gear leaver manual.
The best method for overtaking that I have found is... Anticipate the overtake - selecting the S mode on the gear lever. Wait a second. Push the foot pedal down to the KDS but not hard enough to activate the switch until the car has sufficent revs (3500?). Then push down the KDS. This gives me max power for overtakes. The problem is after the overtake the car is... confused... usually, even if I push the gear lever back to ordinary drive (or not) the car is revving hard in 4th. So I usually have to use the right hand paddle to put it back into 6th.
... who said automatic is un-involving?
Slow overtakes - pull the right paddle and the cars goes manual 6 - foot down to KDS.
Medium overtakes - pull the left hand paddle for gear 5 - foot down to KDS - then select 6.
Of course sometimes fully automatic is fine. But usually I am left with a feeling of lack of control and there always seems to be a slight delay with full auto.
Maybe I am doing something wrong? Advice welcome.
I can't help thinking that for my driving style - my next car WILL be manual. (though maybe 300hp would work better with automatic? :evil:)
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Real Petrol heads don't buy autos :lipsrsealed:
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Can't help but think this thread might just end up as the rest - LOCKED :laugh:
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Don't want to spoil the thread...but I think you have more control with a manual... :smiley:
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LOCK THE THREAD! :evil:
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not this sh!t again
can we not discuss interior rattles instead?
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not this sh!t again
can we not discuss interior rattles instead?
Does a manual rattle more than a DSG? :laugh:
To the OP. get the DSG mapped. It makes the manual mode a true manual, removes the kick down and won't gear up unless you ask for it.
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Helpful comment. Thankyou!
To the OP. get the DSG mapped. It makes the manual mode a true manual, removes the kick down and won't gear up unless you ask for it.
It is disappointing that some people feel the need to reply to this thread when they have nothing worthwile to contribute! :sad: Such is internet forums I guess :rolleyes:
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I think you have more control with a manual... :smiley:
Nail, head, hit. The control offered by the manual is just better for overtaking. It is possible to get similar results with my DSG but it takes a bit of skill.
Though as I mentioned above - from any stop, the DSG just pushes you back into the seat and keeps you there. Youtube has a few videos showing just how good the DSG is versus manual - from a stand still. They just do not tell the full story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4HpD5K6Qws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4HpD5K6Qws)
At 2m38sec that video shows a MK5 GTI with DSG versus a few lighter more powerful cars.
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In all seriousness, I drove an Audi A1 with S-Tronic and was thoroughly impressed.
Only reason I avoided the DSG was the feedback from a friend who was a service manager for an Audi dealership and who has put the fear of god in me over costs and problems these boxes can generate through their life time.
Possibly no where near as bad as I imagine albeit in the time I have been here there have been a few expensive issues, which if the car was out of warranty would not be well received by my wallet.
Plus I actually like the interaction of a manual and as as already been mentioned the ultimate control, what you described reminds me of old school autos hunting about for the right gears which was incredibly annoying when pressing on.
Would like a drive of a DSG equipped GTi/R though as imagine combined with the power they can be epic and the times Hurdy has been posting look awesome :evil:
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I'm with Raffe I'm wanting to try the DSG in he mk7 to be able to make an informed decision. Just out of interest does the gear changing adjust to your driving style? I've noticed that when I first got my edi35 the change display would tell me to be up and down the gears like whores draws, but now, as I drive quite steady and get into 6th ASAP it seems quite happy?
Hurry - for the benefit of all potential DSG owners how much is a DSG map?
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Only reason I avoided the DSG was the feedback from a friend who was a service manager for an Audi dealership and who has put the fear of god in me over costs and problems these boxes can generate through their life time.
Possibly no where near as bad as I imagine albeit in the time I have been here there have been a few expensive issues, which if the car was out of warranty would not be well received by my wallet.
One of the reasons I chose DSG was because of the crap juddering manual clutch I had in my MK5. I wonder will that issue be sorted with the MK7 :undecided:
Good idea - I must have a chat with my mate in the local VW service department.
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I like my DSG about 70% of the time. I won't be getting another DSG but then come to think of it I won't be getting another GTI....
Jim
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not this sh!t again
can we not discuss interior rattles instead?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Can you not select S then, blip the paddles down to the suggested overtaking gear and floor it. It then takes car of the gearchanges whilst overtaking then just select D and it will go all the way back up to 6? I would hope thats what it would do.
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One of the reasons I chose DSG was because of the crap juddering manual clutch I had in my MK5. I wonder will that issue be sorted with the MK7 :undecided:
Good idea - I must have a chat with my mate in the local VW service department.
sounds like you had a dual mass flywheel problem with that mk5
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not this sh!t again
can we not discuss interior rattles instead?
:grin:
maybe you could start a thread how too explaining how we can fix them. Would be a great addition to the forum.
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Helpful comment. Thankyou!
To the OP. get the DSG mapped. It makes the manual mode a true manual, removes the kick down and won't gear up unless you ask for it.
It is disappointing that some people feel the need to reply to this thread when they have nothing worthwile to contribute! :sad: Such is internet forums I guess :rolleyes:
You for real?
You said you wanted more control when overtaking, I gave you an option. What's not contributing? :undecided:
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Hurry - for the benefit of all potential DSG owners how much is a DSG map?
I'm changing my DSG map as now I am stage 2+ the torque is still limited on the custom code map with Revo. Not what I was told and I'm not a happy bunny. I'm awaiting a change to the GIAC map on mine, which is a true stand alone map. The price for the GIAC map is under £400 (awaiting confirmation).
My understanding is that the fwd DSG map is slightly different and some should be okay with the Revo DSG map. :smiley:
The DSG map also increases the clamping pressure on the DSG clutch packs, which will stop any hint of clutch slip with a mapped car.
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Hurry - for the benefit of all potential DSG owners how much is a DSG map?
I'm changing my DSG map as now I am stage 2+ the torque is still limited on the custom code map with Revo. Not what I was told and I'm not a happy bunny. I'm awaiting a change to the GIAC map on mine, which is a true stand alone map. The price for the GIAC map is under £400 (awaiting confirmation).
My understanding is that the fwd DSG map is slightly different and some should be okay with the Revo DSG map. :smiley:
The DSG map also increases the clamping pressure on the DSG clutch packs, which will stop any hint of clutch slip with a mapped car.
Nice one thanks and thanks for contributing :evil:
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You for real?
You said you wanted more control when overtaking, I gave you an option. What's not contributing? :undecided:
Sorry Hurdy. My post was not clear. I have a cold and was up in the middle of the night with a coughing fit. Your post was helpful, thank you. Other posts were not.
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The GTD motor runs out of steam far to early in the rev range for overtaking and motorway driving hence my mission to make a perfect GTD map - come drive mine before she goes to see how she performs in D when overtaking :wink:
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... I wish I had a manual for most overtaking. And I love to overtake. I have tried everything - kick down switch, paddles, S mode and gear leaver manual.
I always anticipate the overtake by getting the revs up to around 4000rpm by dropping a few gears in M mode with the left paddle. When the gap appears I floor it ... and then just use the right paddle to get back to cruising gear. No need for S mode and I can keep my hands on the wheel the whole time :smiley:
This guy can certainly drive a DSG :evil: :laugh:
http://youtu.be/9-Zcn-9jjlA
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You for real?
You said you wanted more control when overtaking, I gave you an option. What's not contributing? :undecided:
Sorry Hurdy. My post was not clear. I have a cold and was up in the middle of the night with a coughing fit. Your post was helpful, thank you. Other posts were not.
No worries :cool:
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... I wish I had a manual for most overtaking. And I love to overtake. I have tried everything - kick down switch, paddles, S mode and gear leaver manual.
I always anticipate the overtake by getting the revs up to around 4000rpm by dropping a few gears in M mode with the left paddle. When the gap appears I floor it ... and then just use the right paddle to get back to cruising gear. No need for S mode and I can keep my hands on the wheel the whole time :smiley:
This guy can certainly drive a DSG :evil: :laugh:
http://youtu.be/9-Zcn-9jjlA
Not bad, a bit slower than me in the Ed30 though. :evil:
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I'm actually starting to warm to the DSG as the clutch on my car is really starting to p!ss me off.
Our seat altea has a really nice feel to the clutch and gear change but the GTI is a fricking joke.
Why does the engine revs not drop when you come off the gas in 1st and 2nd? There is a massive delay in the throttle pedal which makes you sound like a learner and the clutch has no feel or modulation at all. It's either in or out.
Think ive had enough of this car now.
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Daz Auto, it sounds as though you are saying your car changes up automatically even in manual mode; if I put mine in manual mode it doesn't change up unless I operate the paddles or push the stick forward; it changes down if you are decelerating which is fine as this is necessary if you have to brake heavily. For overtaking I find S mode is fine in most situations, but if you want more control leave it in manual mode and just keep it in a gear that gives you the right rpm for rapid acceleration.
Sorry, just realised you have a GTD, so it's going to be a different driving style anyway as far as rpm is concerned, but the basic idea is the same.
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I'm actually starting to warm to the DSG as the clutch on my car is really starting to p!ss me off.
Our seat altea has a really nice feel to the clutch and gear change but the GTI is a fricking joke.
Why does the engine revs not drop when you come off the gas in 1st and 2nd? There is a massive delay in the throttle pedal which makes you sound like a learner and the clutch has no feel or modulation at all. It's either in or out.
Think ive had enough of this car now.
Have to agree with u there. When i first got the car driving in stop start traffic i thought i needed to retake my driving test. but having spoken to a few GTi owners i am now confident that i am not the only learner in a golf. :grin:
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the only thing i can think of is they added this 'feature' to help americans not stall the engine or something.
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I've read that it's something to do with emissions... who knows......
The clutch on my car pisses me off though. I hate it. Stop/start traffic is awful.
Doesn't help I had a replacement slave and clutch after a few thousand miles so I've always been very wary of it..... looking for problems and so on
Not impressed with it at all and it's one of the things that makes me not enjoy driving the car. The other being the bodyroll (and possibly the brakes, but I've got used to them now - after coming from 345mm).......... but that's easily sorted if I wanted to
I don't want to spend anymore money on this car though as I doubt I'll keep it forever.
For some reason I'm still considering a mk7 though....
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The GTi is the most user friendly hot hatch hence the body role. Still a very competent car. Looked at a Megan and I loved how hardcore it was but I knew I wouldn't be able to live with it.
Scott did u sort out the clutch in the end as I rem u saying that it still wasn't feeling right.
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The GTi is the most user friendly hot hatch hence the body role. Still a very competent car. Looked at a Megan and I loved how hardcore it was but I knew I wouldn't be able to live with it.
Scott did u sort out the clutch in the end as I rem u saying that it still wasn't feeling right.
Nah mate I'm still not happy with it but I'll live with it....
I think 99% of it is the same symptoms as described here anyway so I'm fighting a losing battle
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The GTi is the car that tries to be all things to all men(and women...pc) and as such nothing is turned up to 10.
If you are a driving enthusiast IMO it's absolutely not the car for you, if you are looking for a timeless hot hatch classic you can't go far wrong and it makes a great everyday car.
My rule of thumb is of the wife is happy with it as a daily then it must be ok :grin:
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I've ordered the eight speed sport automatic transmission with septronic on the bmw. Comes with the gearshift paddles as well.
Having had the dsg on my mk6 gti it will be interesting to see how it compares.
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I have to say BMW's make cars that are fun to drive no mater what model or engine u have.
The only thing stopping me going back to them are the looks of the cars.
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I have to say BMW's make cars that are fun to drive no mater what model or engine u have.
The only thing stopping me going back to them are the looks of the cars.
I agree mate bmw's are not the best of looking motors. But I fancied something different having owned Mk5 and Mk6 golfs. Only time will tell if its a good move.
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I have to say BMW's make cars that are fun to drive no mater what model or engine u have.
The only thing stopping me going back to them are the looks of the cars.
I agree mate bmw's are not the best of looking motors. But I fancied something different having owned Mk5 and Mk6 golfs. Only time will tell if its a good move.
My last car was a bmw and i do miss the way it drove.
I might go for 1series coupe in a couple of years tho as i just miss that weighted steering and short clutch. dont miss the brakes tho!
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The GTi is the car that tries to be all things to all men(and women...pc) and as such nothing is turned up to 10.
If you are a driving enthusiast IMO it's absolutely not the car for you, if you are looking for a timeless hot hatch classic you can't go far wrong and it makes a great everyday car.
My rule of thumb is of the wife is happy with it as a daily then it must be ok :grin:
im starting to doubt the whole 'every day' qualities of the car to be honest.
if the car is awkward to drive in traffic (manual version is a bloody disgrace) then its at a serious disadvantage to other 'every day' cars right away.
and as i keep saying the interior rattles and creaks are terrible so driving the thing everyday would throw me over the edge i think.
thats what is annoying me about the car - if it squeaked, rattled and was a hard to drive in traffic BUT it was special in other respects like driving enjoyment/evolvement/character etc i could forgive it.
to me its not a special car to drive - in many respects its less than ordinary BUT a lot of its everyday usability is ruined due to it being so bloody frustrating to drive.
theres no doubt in my mind i bought the wrong car and i cant see me sticking with it much longer really.
that BMW is very tempting but i dont want to go down the road of iro£30k for a hatchback again any time soon.
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The GTi is the car that tries to be all things to all men(and women...pc) and as such nothing is turned up to 10.
If you are a driving enthusiast IMO it's absolutely not the car for you, if you are looking for a timeless hot hatch classic you can't go far wrong and it makes a great everyday car.
My rule of thumb is of the wife is happy with it as a daily then it must be ok :grin:
im starting to doubt the whole 'every day' qualities of the car to be honest.
if the car is awkward to drive in traffic (manual version is a bloody disgrace) then its at a serious disadvantage to other 'every day' cars right away.
and as i keep saying the interior rattles and creaks are terrible so driving the thing everyday would throw me over the edge i think.
thats what is annoying me about the car - if it squeaked, rattled and was a hard to drive in traffic BUT it was special in other respects like driving enjoyment/evolvement/character etc i could forgive it.
to me its not a special car to drive - in many respects its less than ordinary BUT a lot of its everyday usability is ruined due to it being so bloody frustrating to drive.
theres no doubt in my mind i bought the wrong car and i cant see me sticking with it much longer really.
that BMW is very tempting but i dont want to go down the road of iro£30k for a hatchback again any time soon.
I had a lot of rattles in my A3 and the Golf is remarkably better so far, albeit it still rattles. I am driving without a stereo now as I broke it so I can hear all of the rattles. lol
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Can't relate to any of your complaints tbh, ours is a manual and drives fine and has a distinct lack of rattles.
It's not currently exciting enough for me, but that's being sorted bit by bit :evil:
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My current VW is equipped with DSG (as was my old GTI).
The easy way to overtake a manual is:
1 Put gearlever to manual (not paddle push)
2 Drop down to lowest gear you can using push pull gearlever
3 Floor the throttle
4 Keep the throttle planted and the car will change up to the next gear at redline to protect the engine
5 Observe chap in manual car in rear mirror
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Can't relate to any of your complaints tbh, ours is a manual and drives fine and has a distinct lack of rattles.
It's not currently exciting enough for me, but that's being sorted bit by bit :evil:
+1 on the manual transmission; no complaints, and clutch is smooth and progressive in use. Mine's a daily driver and has a few intermittent rattles, but no worse than previous cars; in fact, much better than most of my previous cars.
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2 Drop down to lowest gear you can using push pull gearlever
I guess your paddles have dropped off then :laugh:
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The GTi is the car that tries to be all things to all men(and women...pc) and as such nothing is turned up to 10.
If you are a driving enthusiast IMO it's absolutely not the car for you, if you are looking for a timeless hot hatch classic you can't go far wrong and it makes a great everyday car.
My rule of thumb is of the wife is happy with it as a daily then it must be ok :grin:
im starting to doubt the whole 'every day' qualities of the car to be honest.
if the car is awkward to drive in traffic (manual version is a bloody disgrace) then its at a serious disadvantage to other 'every day' cars right away.
and as i keep saying the interior rattles and creaks are terrible so driving the thing everyday would throw me over the edge i think.
thats what is annoying me about the car - if it squeaked, rattled and was a hard to drive in traffic BUT it was special in other respects like driving enjoyment/evolvement/character etc i could forgive it.
to me its not a special car to drive - in many respects its less than ordinary BUT a lot of its everyday usability is ruined due to it being so bloody frustrating to drive.
theres no doubt in my mind i bought the wrong car and i cant see me sticking with it much longer really.
that BMW is very tempting but i dont want to go down the road of iro£30k for a hatchback again any time soon.
The problem also effects a lot of modern petrol cars. Our ibiza has the same trait, a Hyundai and kia I tried yesterday did too as did a corsa. Dsg in full auto foes stupid things.like drop to first at roundabouts sometimes. Can be slow to respond and imo you would find it more inert and sterile.
I'm actually suprised your mapped car also has the trait in traffic as I thought they would have mapped it out.
I do prefer the Leon in traffic as the gti sometimes can make me look like a learner driver when it kangaroos on you.
I always thought maybe it was me as I drive many different cars not just one.
I have thought about having a word with my mate at DTUK to see if I can try a pedal box to see if that helps.
Rattles I wish mine rattled as little as yours LOL..
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i was there the other week actually and he offered me a go of his pedal box in my car. said they make a big difference.
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How do these pedal boxes work?
How easy are they to fit?
Do they work alongside an existing remap?
Sounds interesting!
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theyre just plug and play devices, it basically modifies the signal from the pedal to the ecu to get rid of any dead space in the pedal movement or reduce the amount of lag when pressing or coming off the pedal.
the guy i spoke to had a leon fr so basically the same car and said it improved it alot.
http://www.pedal-box.co.uk/site/index.php?page=content&content=6251
http://www.pedal-box.co.uk/site/index.php?page=content&content=5853
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They simply modify the signal being sent to the ECU to make the ECU think you've pressed the pedal harder and faster.
I've had one fitted for 2 1/2 years (an adjustable version) and like it...it gets rid on the numb standard throttle pedal and makes it far snappier to drive.
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I've used a Sprint Booster which is the same thing on both of my mk6s. Wouldn't be without it.
I drive a couple of Caddy vans at work with the 1.6TDI hairdryers and they suffer exactly the same issue as the GTI. You have to mash the pedal to get any response where as my Sprint Booster equipped GTI just needs a brush of the pedal and away you go more like a proper non turbo throttle cable equipped car. But obviously it's still a turbo'd electronic throttled car so a bit jerky but ten times better than the joke of the standard pedal response.
I spoke to Revo when I had my last car and they said there's no way to map that out without having an additional box attached to the pedal.
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next time im though at DTUK I'm going to see if i can try it out on my car.