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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Buck on 30 September 2012, 19:29
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Diesel Partical Filter light came on today for the very first time which I'm surprised at as the car has had a real mixture of town/rush hour driving as well as some motorway bursts (maybe the bursts need to be longer?) only last month we need lots of 'appropriate' driving whilst up in Northumbria too.
I'd mentioned to Mrs Buck around a week ago that the car seemed a bit more sluggish and choppy than normal - maybe this was why?
I'm going to take the car on a motorway run tomorrow after work to clear the light and hopefully restore the performance to normal. Car is still in warranty if there is an issue :whistle:
Yes I know...should have bought a proper GTI - :grin:
/rant
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Interesting, have never seen mine, although have been through lots of DPF cycles. In 44K miles too.
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Yes, lots of cycles here too (32k miles) which hasn't been a problem before now. Will see how I get on with my 5 miles at 70km/h. :) might give it a motorway blast.
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Not a Golf, but my Leon has been faultless since brand new and now on 36k miles. My understanding was that the new CR engines were much improved over the original PD lumps.
Hope you can get sorted with dealer :smiley:
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Could be a sensor thats gone wrong :undecided: they usually fail which then stops the DPF being regened and then it gets clogged completely.
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Could be a sensor thats gone wrong :undecided: they usually fail which then stops the DPF being regened and then it gets clogged completely.
Good point Rhys.
I'll see what it's like after it's run out then it might be a visit to the dealers. As I said in my earlier post it has felt a bit lumpy for a little while. I had the cam sensor go previously and hope at worst it is something as simple as that.
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Could be a sensor thats gone wrong :undecided: they usually fail which then stops the DPF being regened and then it gets clogged completely.
Top tip right there.
I've not seen a dpf light on a CR engined vehicle ever :wink:
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Could be a sensor thats gone wrong :undecided: they usually fail which then stops the DPF being regened and then it gets clogged completely.
Good point Rhys.
I'll see what it's like after it's run out then it might be a visit to the dealers. As I said in my earlier post it has felt a bit lumpy for a little while. I had the cam sensor go previously and hope at worst it is something as simple as that.
Get it booked straight in. Going on a run won't cure the underlying problem :sad:
Could be a sensor thats gone wrong :undecided: they usually fail which then stops the DPF being regened and then it gets clogged completely.
Top tip right there.
I've not seen a dpf light on a CR engined vehicle ever :wink:
I've seen the engine management light on one; my mate picked up a 10 plate A6 170 CR on Thursday. Light came on on Saturday; its the Exhaust Gas Pressure sensor :sad: Car has done 36K........
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thanks again - ringing the garage this morning...will get it booked in ASAP
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As it happens I was speaking to an ex Audi technician last week and he was saying about DPF, apparently 3k on motorway for 3-5miles should clear it out, I don't know how true that is, strumbled on the topic in new posts and just thought I'd add to it :wink:
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As it happens I was speaking to an ex Audi technician last week and he was saying about DPF, apparently 3k on motorway for 3-5miles should clear it out, I don't know how true that is, strumbled on the topic in new posts and just thought I'd add to it :wink:
Cheers for this. Yes, handbook says 70km/h in 4th for 5 miles.
Problem I've got is that I got in the car this morning and drive out of the garage (hadn't been drive since light came on last night). Got to end of (short) drive and noticed that the light wasn't on! Hasn't come back on after 30 miles of driving today either. :huh:
Rang the garage this PM - haven't been able to book in as their systems are down but they have all the details and will ring me tomorrow - probably will be with them for a full day then back again when the part they need is on back order :sad:
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Rang the dealer this AM to be told earliest they can book me in is 23rd October !!! :angry:
Fuel light came on today saying 35 miles ot go - I've only done 350 so there is definitely something up :sad:
Told them with the problem I'm not prepared to wait - service manager ringing me back soon-ish :whistle:
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Aren't there any other dealers in your area that can help deal with it earlier than this, as the waiting time is taking the p*ss...?
Red
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Call breakdown, they will come out and scan it. Tell them it's doing really poor fuel economy and I'm sure VW UK will arrange hire cars if needed. I assume that's what the long wait is from the dealership
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Aren't there any other dealers in your area that can help deal with it earlier than this, as the waiting time is taking the p*ss...?
Red
I'm going to ring another one tomorrow. Trouble is all local to me bar one are Sytner and they are all this bad!
He did offer me Harrogate VW on Monday - I replied that I'm not driving 30 miles when I have a dealership within 8 miles of me :angry:
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Call breakdown, they will come out and scan it. Tell them it's doing really poor fuel economy and I'm sure VW UK will arrange hire cars if needed. I assume that's what the long wait is from the dealership
Might try that tomorrow when I have spoken to the independent near me.
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G450 pressure sensor is the usual one to go. Fairly inexpensive part (£50-ish) and easy to fit in 10-20 minutes depending on which way round the factory monkeys left the spring clips :grin: Then clear the fault codes and adapt the new sensor to the ecu. If the glowplug light starts to flash and the car goes in to limp mode then you'll need to run through the forced emergency regen procedure too.
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G450 pressure sensor is the usual one to go. Fairly inexpensive part (£50-ish) and easy to fit in 10-20 minutes depending on which way round the factory monkeys left the spring clips :grin: Then clear the fault codes and adapt the new sensor to the ecu. If the glowplug light starts to flash and the car goes in to limp mode then you'll need to run through the forced emergency regen procedure too.
Cheers topher. Cars still in warranty so hoping they'll sort it but will give them some guidance !!
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In the 2.5 years I've had mine my DPF light has never come on though I've heard the fan running a couple of times after I switch of which generally means it doing a regen. I only do short journeys but I give it a blast up the motorway now and then.
If you have VCDS you can check the ash content and see when it last did a regen.
(http://www.myturbodiesel.com/forum/members/keithuk/albums/vcds/847-dpf.jpg)
You can do a Diesel Particle Filter Emergency Regeneration (http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Diesel_Particle_Filter_Emergency_Regeneration)
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Great post Keith.
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In the 2.5 years I've had mine my DPF light has never come on though I've heard the fan running a couple of times after I switch of which generally means it doing a regen. I only do short journeys but I give it a blast up the motorway now and then.
If you have VCDS you can check the ash content and see when it last did a regen.
(http://www.myturbodiesel.com/forum/members/keithuk/albums/vcds/847-dpf.jpg)
You can do a Diesel Particle Filter Emergency Regeneration (http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Diesel_Particle_Filter_Emergency_Regeneration)
Cheers Keith
Unfortunately I don't have a VCDS cable to check this.
I have now got it booked in at another dealer on the 15th which is still too long to wait but if it happens again, I'm ringing VW assistance.
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VW customer services are a waste of bleeding time.
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Car was in the garage today to investigate the DPF issue.
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Engine had ~ half litre too much oil in it :shocked: was serviced back in May and I've not put in any since - must have been at service time :angry:
The engine is also showing a fault code but they don't know what this fault is as its not in their system :rolleyes: so they have sent it to VW to find out more!
On a more positive note, the car felt better on the way home - must be better not pushing that 500ml of oil around!
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Well the car has been running rough for a couple of months with MPg at a woeful 35-38.
It has been back in but no fault found.
Car went in just before new year for its first MOT and is now out of warranty. Whilst in I asked them to check the car due to the economy and rough idel etc. They told me they couldn't find any fault and TBH since then the car has been running so much better! Coincidence or did they tinker I wonder?
Drove down to Leicester this morning to pick up my new mountain bike and it's ~85 miles each way. On the way back whilst still on the motorway, after covering a total of 150 miles the DPF light has come back on.
Following the bl00dy useless handbook guide to get the fault to clear didn't work so car is now two weeks out of warranty.
I'm ringing the garage tomorrow but wondering should I go via VW Assist (or whatever it's called) as I know my garage won't have a hire car for weeks and this needs sorting :(
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Forgot to say, the guy at VW when I took it in for MOT said it might be a fault sensor but their tests didn't show anything - wonder if it is an intermittent fault and I can get them to swap it out and see how it goes (under warranty hopefulyl as this was mentioned back in October and just before it expired)
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Bugger :angry:
I'd bet on it being a sensor not the dpf at that mileage.
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Bugger :angry:
I'd bet on it being a sensor not the dpf at that mileage.
This. Or it could be like a customer of mine whose throttle body had failed, was stuck open and eventually clogged up his DPF......even though I told him weeks ago to replace the throttle body :rolleyes: Although when that happened, he started having the engine management come on prior to the DPF light coming on
Looking back through the thread, did you ask them what fault code it had come up with? :undecided:
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Hi
I asked them the code (it wasn't one they were familiar with) and VW Tech came back and said it was a "ghost code" and nothing to worry about!
I've had no warning lights come on other than this one today so I'm leaning to it being a sensor issue, particularly as it wouldn't reset after the 5 mins at 70kmh in the manual.
Any thoughts on which sensor it might be? Wouldn't mind giving them a big hint when I ring up tomorrow
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On the PD engines it was commonly the pressure sensor fitted near the bulkhead. That's about £50 but must be fitted and adapted BEFORE driving off otherwise the sensor will not work
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Thanks - I will mention this to them in the morning
<fingers crossed>
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No worries mate :smiley: Hopefully you can get it sorted before it damages the DPF.........
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Light still on whenb I set off this morning then went out after a couple of mile :shocked:
VW Roadside Assistance phoned this morning - will be with me in a couple of hours to look at it - hopefully they will diagnose/recommend the pressure sensor replacement.
Update to follow....
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VWRA have been out. I mentioned the potential faulty sensor.
Tech. looked at the car and he has diagnosed a potential broken wiring loom located between the engine and the gear box. :sad:
He said that when the looms were installed at the factory, some were secured incorrectly, weakening/breaking the wires :shocked: hence the intermittent and illogical fault I've been getting.
Hire car sorted and car is going to the dealers this PM - here's hoping that VW will honour the warranty as this episode started in October when it was still in warranty.
On a side note, It'll be fun driving a car without the winter tyres on in this weather :laugh:
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Sorry to here that, what year is your car?
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Its a 59 plate, registered 30/12/09
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At least it's not your DPF
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That's my thinking too!
I hope it's just a case of unplug and replace loom and not too much dismantling?
If VW have shipped the part today I might have the car back tomorrow/Thursday.
Here's hoping!
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Had a phone call last night to say the car was ready to collect :smiley:
"Wiring loom sorted?"
"No. We found a fault on the pressure sensor and we've replaced it" [Part is G450 Pressure Sensor]
All under warranty as I had flagged it whilst it was still in warranty.
So, 4th time lucky but smacks of a SWAT team entering a building and not seeing the terrorist hiding under the bed and telling everyone the room is clear :lipsrsealed: :angry:
Rhyso and Doc - can you go and work with VW to help them understand what checking/diagnosis really means?
Looking forward to some untarnished driving now :)
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Had a phone call last night to say the car was ready to collect :smiley:
"Wiring loom sorted?"
"No. We found a fault on the pressure sensor and we've replaced it" [Part is G450 Pressure Sensor]
All under warranty as I had flagged it whilst it was still in warranty.
So, 4th time lucky but smacks of a SWAT team entering a building and not seeing the terrorist hiding under the bed and telling everyone the room is clear :lipsrsealed: :angry:
Rhyso and Doc - can you go and work with VW to help them understand what checking/diagnosis really means?
Looking forward to some untarnished driving now :)
Lol when you work with these cars on a regular basis you soon get to know their quirks......... :lipsrsealed: :grin:
Glad you got it sorted :afro:
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Could be a sensor thats gone wrong :undecided: they usually fail which then stops the DPF being regened and then it gets clogged completely.
Top tip right there.
I've not seen a dpf light on a CR engined vehicle ever :wink:
I have a 09 plate CR engined GT140 TDi that had the Engine Pressure Sensor fail at about 70k miles, with the resulting DPF light on (not flashing; stayed lit). Dealer suspected this part straight away, and stated VW would most likely pay for the part (despite warranty expired) as was 'not an uncommon occurrence."
Sure enough; once they'd diagnosed and replaced it, VW confirmed they'd chip in: so didn;t cost me much.
At the time light first came on; I queried whether I should stop driving it immediately, or was it OK to drive it before they could change it (from memory a couple of days later). They said as long as not flashing it's OK; but if flashing starts; stop and get it towed by RAC. I remember it felt a little rough (but not too much) but was back to normal 'smoothness' upon part changed.
Don't know if that helps?
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It does - thanks Dunc
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There are 34 error codes for the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).
EOBD II Error Code: P260E - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Warning Lamp - Control Circuit Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P24A2 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Regeneration - Regeneration not completed
EOBD II Error Code: P24A1 - Closed Loop Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Regeneration Control, Control Limit Reached - Temperature too High
EOBD II Error Code: P24A0 - Closed Loop Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Regeneration Control, Control Limit Reached - Temperature too Low
EOBD II Error Code: P249F - Excessive Time To Enter Closed Loop Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Regeneration Control
EOBD II Error Code: P246D - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor - A/B Correlation
EOBD II Error Code: P246C - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - DPF Restricted, Limp-Home Mode Activated
EOBD II Error Code: P246B - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Vehicle Conditions Incorrect
EOBD II Error Code: P2465 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 2 - Differential Pressure too High
EOBD II Error Code: P2464 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 2 - Differential Pressure too Low
EOBD II Error Code: P2463 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Excessive Soot Accumulation
EOBD II Error Code: P2462 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor B - Circuit Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2461 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor B - Circuit High
EOBD II Error Code: P2460 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor B - Circuit Low
EOBD II Error Code: P245F - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure differential Sensor B - Circuit Range/Performance
EOBD II Error Code: P245E - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor B - Circuit Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2458 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Regeneration Process - Duration Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2456 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor A - Circuit Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2455 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor A - Circuit High
EOBD II Error Code: P2454 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor A - Circuit Low
EOBD II Error Code: P244F - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 2 - Exhaust Temperature too High for Regeneration
EOBD II Error Code: P244E - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 2 - Exhaust Temperature too Low for Regeneration
EOBD II Error Code: P244D - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 1 - Exhaust Temperature too High for Regeneration
EOBD II Error Code: P244C - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 1 - Exhaust Temperature too Low for Regeneration
EOBD II Error Code: P244B - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Differential Pressure too High
EOBD II Error Code: P244A - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Differential Pressure too Low
EOBD II Error Code: P242F - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 1 - Restricted/Clogged
EOBD II Error Code: P200D - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 2 - Over-Temperature Condition
EOBD II Error Code: P200C - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 1 - Over-Temperature Condition
EOBD II Error Code: P2459 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Regeneration frequency
EOBD II Error Code: P2002 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Bank 1 - Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2452 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor A - Circuit Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2453 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor A - Implausible Signal
EOBD II Error Code: P3071 - Reservoir for Additive for Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Empty
EOBD II Fault Codes Software (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=235957.0)
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^^^^^^
Awsum :grin: :grin: :grin:
I can safely say my Aldi NEVER saw any of those :smug:
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There are 34 error codes for the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).
EOBD II Error Code: P260E - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Warning Lamp - Control Circuit Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P24A2 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Regeneration - Regeneration not completed
EOBD II Error Code: P24A1 - Closed Loop Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Regeneration Control, Control Limit Reached - Temperature too High
EOBD II Error Code: P24A0 - Closed Loop Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Regeneration Control, Control Limit Reached - Temperature too Low
EOBD II Error Code: P249F - Excessive Time To Enter Closed Loop Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Regeneration Control
EOBD II Error Code: P246D - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor - A/B Correlation
EOBD II Error Code: P246C - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - DPF Restricted, Limp-Home Mode Activated
EOBD II Error Code: P246B - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Vehicle Conditions Incorrect
EOBD II Error Code: P2465 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 2 - Differential Pressure too High
EOBD II Error Code: P2464 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 2 - Differential Pressure too Low
EOBD II Error Code: P2463 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Excessive Soot Accumulation
EOBD II Error Code: P2462 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor B - Circuit Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2461 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor B - Circuit High
EOBD II Error Code: P2460 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor B - Circuit Low
EOBD II Error Code: P245F - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure differential Sensor B - Circuit Range/Performance
EOBD II Error Code: P245E - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor B - Circuit Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2458 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Regeneration Process - Duration Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2456 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor A - Circuit Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2455 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor A - Circuit High
EOBD II Error Code: P2454 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor A - Circuit Low
EOBD II Error Code: P244F - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 2 - Exhaust Temperature too High for Regeneration
EOBD II Error Code: P244E - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 2 - Exhaust Temperature too Low for Regeneration
EOBD II Error Code: P244D - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 1 - Exhaust Temperature too High for Regeneration
EOBD II Error Code: P244C - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 1 - Exhaust Temperature too Low for Regeneration
EOBD II Error Code: P244B - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Differential Pressure too High
EOBD II Error Code: P244A - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Differential Pressure too Low
EOBD II Error Code: P242F - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 1 - Restricted/Clogged
EOBD II Error Code: P200D - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 2 - Over-Temperature Condition
EOBD II Error Code: P200C - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), Bank 1 - Over-Temperature Condition
EOBD II Error Code: P2459 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Regeneration frequency
EOBD II Error Code: P2002 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Bank 1 - Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2452 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor A - Circuit Malfunction
EOBD II Error Code: P2453 - Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Pressure Sensor A - Implausible Signal
EOBD II Error Code: P3071 - Reservoir for Additive for Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) - Empty
EOBD II Fault Codes Software (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=235957.0)
Unfortunately wasn't any of those - and that initself was the problem - anyways pressure sensor now replaced and it seems to be running fine now - needs a bl00dy good clean but that's for another day ;)
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^^^^^^
Awsum :grin: :grin: :grin:
I can safely say my Aldi NEVER saw any of those :smug:
Yep - miss my Aldi - although it did die on me in the end was a great car :cry:
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I'm just about to replace my G450 sensor for roughly all the same reasons explained above (I won't go into boring detail).
Can anyone tell me how do I actually ADAPT it to the car??
I have VAGCOM
Thanks
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Sorry I don't know but Rhyso may well be your man.
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go to engine, click login (might be coding can't really remember) hover your cursor over the input field and you should get a list of codes for dpf regeneration and G450 adaptation.. its 30605 from memory then ignition off for 30 secs, but I tend to use autologic for things like this instead. Its just one button press :grin:
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Thanks Topher.