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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Foreveryoungaus16v on 25 September 2012, 17:25
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Hi all. What are your opinions on changing my fly wheel for a lightened version and will I notice any
difference??? I know nothing about this. Also where would I purchase one and how much?? :smiley:
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Any knowledge woould be great :smiley:
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Anyone ? lol
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Apparantly its like adding 30bhp :shocked: theres a guy on club gti that lightens and balances them and knows what hes doing which is allways a bonus his user name is hot golf
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Cheers Screech, is it an expensive job do u know? Hav u had it done?
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I typed hot golf in under username but nothing has come up :huh:
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No i havnt had it done yet ,but from what ive heard its well worth doing,try hotgolf as one word,not sure on price but i would guess somewhere around 50.
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Cheers pal, I guess the cost of fitting would be expensive tho? Plus I guess I would have to remove mine and send it?
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Not if you fit it yourself :wink: you could buy one then send that off if you cant have your car of the road whilst you wait
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Lol I am really not mechanically minded......where would I be able to pick one up, and what weight etc,
ebay?? Thanks Screech :smiley:
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Breakers ,i have seen them on ebay now and again,when i weighed one it was 9.5kg ,i think they can be taken down to about 5.5kg and no bother mate :smiley:
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Is that a big difference u think mate?
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Thats a safe weight to take them to with good results,i will be having mine done as when doing my engine swap :evil:
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So u think the 4kg less weight will have that much of a power difference? Wat engine conversion u doing?? How much will that cost?
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They very rarely come up on eBay and when they do they're stupidly priced. Hotgolf is your man for the job here.
Remember if you're going to whip the gearbox off you may as well replace the clutch plate whilst you're at it for peace of mind so factor that extra cost into the job.
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So u think the 4kg less weight will have that much of a power difference? Wat engine conversion u doing?? How much will that cost?
So ive heard mate,just a 1.8t nout special, got the engine for next to nothin so should come in at below average cost. :smiley:
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Martin (Hotgolf) built my entire gearbox with my Wavetrac diff and VR6 final drive, he also lightened and balanced my flywheel to suit a turbo car
the guy is fantastic at what he does and very helpful
highly recommend him
would not go as far to say its like adding 30bhp but well worth doing
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Thank u for all ur advise....is just having the flywheel done on its own without any other mods worth doing? Jst csh strapped atm :smiley: :sad:
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Yep, still worth doing.
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Whilst your at it you'd be an idiot not to replace the clutch if it hast been done recency :smiley:
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As above, do the clutch at the same! Will save hassle in the long run and give you piece of mind.
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mine has been done nearly a yr ago & i can say its fun & the car revs alot quicker so does feel like you have added some horses. Go & get it done. As kells said his name is martin on clubgti. He always has 16v flywheels already done. 1thing though, you will stall the car alot more, im still stalling it & its been a yr now. But get it done because its fun lol
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I never once stalled mine :whistle:
Never got any kangaroo'in I thought I'd get too :-)
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How much roughly will this all cost me fitted and parts etc??
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Sharki, how much did this set u back mate and do u have an email etc for this guy?? Kind regards
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Ask your local garage how much replace a clutch... swap flywheel over then
Will be a lot easier to have a lightened flywheel ready to swap over then sell yours on
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I concur ^^^
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Are vr6 flywheels the same as valvers?
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Are vr6 flywheels the same as valvers?
No.
They have different numbers of crank mounting bolts.
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Thanks guys for all your input, its really helpful. Like I said I am a novice at all of this. Yeah I agree,
check prices first then go for it and sell my old one on. I still can't get hold of 'hotgolf' who has these
lightened fly wheels for 16v's?
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You are looking on ClubGTI not Golf GTI for HotGolf right?
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Yeah mate I have found his email on the other site (clubgti) :smiley:
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Are vr6 flywheels the same as valvers?
No.
They have different numbers of crank mounting bolts.
Shame, got a lightened vr flywheel in my shed which i doubt ill be using
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I managed to hold of the guy :smiley:
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How much is he charging now?
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£69 as he has a spare that he could do for me and then i would send him my old one mate
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Ah same as when I last checked then. :smiley:
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Sharki, how much did this set u back mate and do u have an email etc for this guy?? Kind regards
sorry mate i have his number il pm it to you if i still have it (hope he dont mind)
edit. you got it sorted :cool:
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I think i will get it done wen i hav the funds but need to see how much it will cost to fit. Did u notice a notible increase in performace mate ie quicker pull in first and second gear?
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Dont know whether to spend the money now on lightened flywheel or rear spoiler with third break light? Lol thoughts?
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Lexus lights FTW :evil:
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^^^ this :evil:
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Us spec rear spoiler with third break light or flywheel? Lol
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Flywheel.
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U reallynthink its makes angood difference mate? He says it will be about 5kg
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Send the whole box away for lightened flywheel and lower final drive and save a whole heap of money on crap which wont make your car faster.
Only do check your box is not fecked before it comes apart :grin: :lipsrsealed:
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Wat do u mean, lower final drive and send whole box away. Sorry but i am a real novice at this. I can't
really send it away as need it as my daily drive?? :huh:
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Better of sticking to bolt/stick ons then!
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I will just swp over my flywheel with lightened one
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I heard having lightened fly wheel has its downside too like it stalls a lot and does not increase any horse
power? Its good for quick accel then dies off pretty quickly??
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I heard having lightened fly wheel has its downside too like it stalls a lot and does not increase any horse
power? Its good for quick accel then dies off pretty quickly??
I've had mine on for about 3 years or more and never stalled the car once. Why would you think a lightened flywheel would increase horsepower? It feels like the engine is more powerful because it will rev up quicker because the rotating mass is lighter. I cant see how the effect could die off quickly it doesn't get heavier as the engine speeds up!
If you have a limited budget I would spend the money on petrol and leave the flywheel alone.
Paul
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Like I said, I am a novice at this. I found this as an example on the net.
Harry and Larry are twins and two months ago they turned 18. Their sugar daddy (ed: name removed under court order) bought them identical cars for their birthday and gave them some spending money. Harry spent the money on 3 midget hookers while Larry installed a lightweight flywheel in his car. Their cars are identical except Harry has a heavier flywheel and Larry has a lighter flywheel.
To show off their sugar daddy rides, the boys decided to cruise George Street on a Friday night. On their way they encountered lots of traffic. Larry discovered that his car now accelerates faster. Each time he steps on the gas the revs respond quicker but when he changes gears he noticed that his revs drop off faster as well. He had to adjust his driving style to shift quicker. He also noticed that he was using the accelerator more frequently to compensate for his fluctuating speed. This did not please him since he couldn’t cruise in a relaxed style like Harry.
Halfway through George Street, to his surprise, Larry stalled his car trying to take off from a set of lights… on several occasions. Quite an embarrassing situation and he attributed this to the flywheel since Harry had no such issues with his factory spec flywheel.
When the boys passed The Rocks, they came across some clear road. Larry looked over to his brother who nodded in agreement. They, like many of their peers, live their life a quarter mile at a time. A furious drag race commenced. Larry noticed that he could shift earlier through the gears. It was like his car felt lighter to his engine and his instincts proved right. His lighter flywheel effectively lightened his car.
Unfortunately for Larry, he missed a gear and his revs dropped quickly which allowed Harry to catch up. Side by side the boys raced while the world warped around them. A quarter of a mile seemed to last minutes. Larry was amazed to discover that his flywheel didn’t actually give him more horsepower like the guy that sold it to him promised.
All of a sudden, the boys saw a defect station up ahead. They both geared down to assist their brakes with engine braking. Larry’s revs shot up very quickly to match his wheel speed and didn’t slow him down as much as what Harry’s car did. The lighter flywheel just didn’t offer enough resistance to change in speed. Seeing that he could not slow down in time, he made a rash decision and started to drift his way into a side street before the defect station.
Very quickly, Larry discovered that the lighter weight of the flywheel hindered his clutch dumping. He had to use higher revs and it was harder for him to break traction which he suspected was related to a lack of weight behind his flywheel. Like a pro, Harry easily overtook his brother while drifting on the outside lane.
Dirty with his inability to drift donuts to get chicks numbers, Larry dropped the hammer and went all street racer style on his brother. With a few tight back street corners between the brothers, Larry made up the difference in no time and was grinning into the disappearing reflection of his brother’s car in the rear view mirror. He realised that the flywheel he had installed was well suited to high rev driving and accelerating out of corners as quickly as possible.
So in summary:
City driving
acceleration has improved with a lighter flywheel
the engine has to rotate less mass so it works more efficiently
you will have to adapt a new driving style to avoid stalling
gear changes are more frequent and need to be executed faster
it requires more frequent adjustments to maintain cruising speed and hence burns more fuel
Drag
acceleration, as above, is quick with a lighter flywheel
you run through the gears too quickly, spending precious time off the accelerator
when changing gears, you lose more revs
a lighter flywheel does not add horsepower
too light a flywheel in a heavy car will struggle to get it off the line quickly
Drift
the lighter the flywheel the more revs you need to break traction
the fluctuations of a light flywheel require more frequent adjustments upsetting the balance of the car
Race
a lighter flywheel is an all round improvement
quicker acceleration
lower effective car weight
precise rev control
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Or the money you could save on flywheel - labour - maybe a clutch... you can get a nice interior or some decent suspension which by the sounds of your posts you may appreciate more, as do many of us.
Also a lightened flywheel causes less engine braking
End of the day its a valver - the flywheel will help but its not enough on its own and its mega ££ to get good figures out off
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Yeah very true. I have good full leather interior on mine and good coilovers etc. But ur right what u say
mate :cool:
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Thinking of getting the us spec rear spoiler with breaklight but not sure whether to pay over £50 second hand :undecided:
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What about spashing some moolah at some wheels? or some good rubber if your happy with your current wheels?
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What u mean good rubber mate?? Wat u think of the reat spoiler with breal light?
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Have lush 17 inch Dotz alloys on atm :smiley:
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rubber = tyre
dots = sh!te :grin: (just my opinion though)
Get some lovely 16's tucked under them arches :cool:
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I like them, they are like these: http://www.dotz-wheels.co.uk/competitions/win-custom-designed-dotz-alloys/entries/117
Not a massive fan of the smaller 16's :sad:
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p.s Dont be so rude!! :grin: lol
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End of the day its a valver - the flywheel will help but its not enough on its own and its mega ££ to get good figures out off
I don't agree.
You can spend £100s on a chip, filter, exhaust etc...and end up with 165ish BHP at best...and on an otherwise standard car, a light flywheel will feel like you have added more power - lots more.
It's not an aluminium flywheel you are adding...so anyone who can drive will be able to adjust.
A de-ramped TB will make the car far more likely to bog down and stall than a light flywheel.
In my view, a light flywheel on a 16v is a win-win mod.
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It's a good mod, but not for someone who has limited mechanical skills.
Best sticking to brake lights in spoilers. :wink:
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Would garage charge a lot??
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Would garage charge a lot??
Whatever they would charge for clutch labour i'd presume. It is a gearbox removal job at the end of the day
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well a lightened 02A flywheel is still heavyer than a standard 020 flywheel. took my daily one down to 5kg engines more responsive no change in drivablity if your stalling it all the time you should really ether leaarn to use a clutch or buy an auto. even 3KG flywheels are drivable on the road.
where drivablity goes out the window is when you fit an ultra light that basicly just a starter ring gear these tend to have a small diamier multiplate paddel clutch, all desinged to have next to no inertia. these things are a pain to drive anything other than flat out but lots of people seem to think a ligtend std flywheel will have the same downsides
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well a lightened 02A flywheel is still heavyer than a standard 020 flywheel. took my daily one down to 5kg engines more responsive no change in drivablity if your stalling it all the time you should really ether leaarn to use a clutch or buy an auto. even 3KG flywheels are drivable on the road.
where drivablity goes out the window is when you fit an ultra light that basicly just a starter ring gear these tend to have a small diamier multiplate paddel clutch, all desinged to have next to no inertia. these things are a pain to drive anything other than flat out but lots of people seem to think a ligtend std flywheel will have the same downsides
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Someone that understands...nice one Danny.
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Your example from the net is giving extreme effects:
Stalling when pulling away may be a problem with heavy car with a really light flywheel.
Losing some engine braking does happen but use your brakes for braking they are cheaper to replace than your clutch.
I don't think you'll be doing donuts in your Golf to impress the ladies so I wouldn't bother about this.
A lightened flywheel on a 16v Golf is a nice upgrade and worth every penny (in my opinion) but if you can't do the work yourself it's going to cost you to have the gearbox and clutch removed, the flywheel removed, and then the parts replaced. If you have any sense you will have the clutch replaced at the same time. Budget for £70+ for the flywheel, £100 for the clutch, £150 to £250 for the labour.
Paul
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Cheers Paul thats really helpful. Just wish I was mechanically minded like most of u on here :sad:
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Just wish I was mechanically minded like most of u on here :sad:
Why not learn. Like most of us?
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I don't want to attempt to do it as dont want to bugger it up, more hassle in long run. Plus I dont have a ramp etc
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get a quote from local garages (unless you have a mate who has a garage? get the flywheel lightened mate, trust me you will love it. yes i never stalled my car after i learned to drive it but then since i had the flywheel put in, ITS VERY EASY TO STALL THE CAR as mentioned before its light (its hard to explain) even my mate bizzle said how can you stall it, trust me after driving the same car for a week you WILL stall it (like i did today) its very easy to stall and you dont feel the car jump like you normaly would feel with a normal wheel. also on the motorway going uphill your engine speed & car speed will slow down so you need to put your foot down.
go & get the flywheel done and find someone who will do your flywheel & get your clutch checked out aswel (save up & buy parts when you have the money.
DONT RUSH IT :cool:
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End of the day its a valver - the flywheel will help but its not enough on its own and its mega ££ to get good figures out off
I don't agree.
You can spend £100s on a chip, filter, exhaust etc...and end up with 165ish BHP at best...and on an otherwise standard car, a light flywheel will feel like you have added more power - lots more.
It's not an aluminium flywheel you are adding...so anyone who can drive will be able to adjust.
A de-ramped TB will make the car far more likely to bog down and stall than a light flywheel.
In my view, a light flywheel on a 16v is a win-win mod.
Oh I totally agree with you, my last valver loved it's lightened flywheel - before and after affects when up against a vr was quite noticeable (same vr, driver & road etc)
I'm coming from a modding point of view - to get full potential from a lighter spinning crank you'd want to do more work up top. Like putting good rubber on a set of heavy banded steelies so to speak
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Us spec rear spoiler with third break light or flywheel? Lol
Cheers Paul thats really helpful. Just wish I was mechanically minded like most of u on here :sad:
...and you want a mk2 vr turbo soon?
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Us spec rear spoiler with third break light or flywheel? Lol
Cheers Paul thats really helpful. Just wish I was mechanically minded like most of u on here :sad:
...and you want a mk2 vr turbo soon?
Precisely.
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If i did go bk to a mk 2 or any other modified golf with good power i would just spend the money on a car ith eveything already done to it. :smiley:
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Like u said sharki i will tk my time.....i think i will go with the lightened flywheel as know someone who could do it for good price :smiley:
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is your mk3 16v or 8v? Just take your time mate. Save up get a sachs clutch (dont get a cheapo 1) sachs are realy good trust me. Get your flywheel lightened, save abit more, go garage get them fitted (also new gearbox oil while its of) and enjoy (dont go mad with the 1st few 100miles as you need to bed the clutch in) :smile:
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Cheers buddy, I think my clutch is in good working order :smiley: I will let u know when I get it done :smiley: