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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Nino on 24 September 2012, 23:27
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Hey guys,
Im considdering Inducting my AUM, Im at the moment researching, Id like to know that once the standard air box is removed, what happens with the AIR pipe that connected to the bottom of the stardard air box then feeds into the Secondary pump?
Also I have seen many different types of inductions done, from the long silver pipe leading by the bumper to cut down versions of the pipe where the filter sits near the batt.
What I have made my mind up with is I want a RED filter, and I would like some kind of metal tubing coming off the MAF. I would also like a heat shield and a cold air feed leading to the filter to avoid Heat soak.
As for budget, I don't want to spend stupid money but I dont mind spending abit for the right kit, basically I want it to look nice and perform well :)
Secondly im considddering buying a set of JOM's or Weltecs as I have hered great things about both, Im unsure whether im going to buy a lowering kit or coil overs. I have been told Coil overs are a bugger to setup correctly and give a stiffer ride than a lowering kit. But i have also seen that lowering kits seems to be more expensive than coil overs? :huh:
If i say got a kit, is there anything else I need to buy/replace to go with them for anything?
Sorry for the questions but this is not something I have done before and would like as much information as I can get before i spend my moolaaars :)
Thanks guys.
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anyone? :whistle:
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Not being funny Nino Judging by the amount of your posts on here i thought you would know there is a search button!!! Not being a cock but there are hundreds of threads on both points you have asked Most will tell you the best induction is a panel filter and r32 air intake... if you go for a cone there are heatshileds on ebay that fit a mk4 or you can buy certain cones that come with heat shields either you wont see much gains but some better note!!! Secondly theres a huge difference between weitecs and Jom coilovers so its up to you do you wnat quality or just something that works Weitec are betetr than joms but they are about 3 times the price for that reason a lot go for joms as they do the job... Its entirely up to you.... Try the search bar theres heaps on info
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To be fair I did use the search but didn't find the answers to my questions in specific e.g I have seen alot of people prefer a panel filter and r32 intake but I was asking information on cones, what is good and what to stay away from in that genre. I understand welter are better but why are they better and why do lowering kits cost more than coilovers when they do less of a job, also I wasn't sure weather beside buying a lowering kit/coils if I had to ensure something else was brought, replaced or changed. Sorry if you feel I have been lazy and not looked but I have just not found the correct answers to my in depth questions lol :)
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A good panel filter will be just fine, ie k and N, pipercross etc. If you want noise however, try a cone filter with heat shield. Some put the cone right down at the bottom of the bumper, but theres a risk of sucking water (puddles floods etc). If you buy coilkovers or lowering springs then get new top mounts as they dont come with them. Lowering springs tend to give a less harsh ride than coilies, so that would be my choice. If you want stiffness :embarrassed: then I think its worth shelling out for weitecs (not that expensive for the quality) I would avoid JOMs altogether, but if you dont mind the bumpy ride then they are fine and will make your car look good for little money. Good luck :smiley:
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As said. Get a panel filter, preferably pipercross or green cotton. If you want noise go to R-Tech and get one of their induction kits.
Suspension wise. AP/Weitec/KW. Koni kits are meant to be decent too.
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This is my induction kit.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img811/8361/373v.jpg)
Parts altogether came to £90.
Sounds decent with the dumping noise of the Dv (standard one atm) and you can hear it sucking away like a prostitute on a saturday night.
you can either fit a smaller breather filter to the end of the pipe or do what i did and connect it back into the pipework using the silicone hose and adapter provided.
ive heard the ECU's prefer it to be back into the air induction but am sure both work.
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Thanks guys, I'm currently using a piper cross panel but I want a nicer sound and sound frm the dv but if I do it I dnt want heat soak so yea a heat shield is something ill invest into. Gary cheers for the pic, when u say that other pipe do you mean the one that connects to the secondary air pump? Also where did you get your metal tube frm may I ask?
Ill do more research into lowering thanks again guys
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Coil overs are easy to set up mate you"ll regret not buying them as you"ll always wana go lower :) and I'd drill standard air box and add a panel filter it what I've done lazy way I know but it sounds good and looks neat and tidy still :)
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yeah i meant the oil breather pipe or whatever it is.
the tubes a £50 CAI kit from ebay for the mk4 gti.
and my one doesnt suffer from any heatsoak at all where it is and gets a decent amount of air because the filters built into where the old standard cold air induction ducting is.
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For the induction mate I would stick with the panel filter I have tried two different kits and both I found were a bit crap didn't do anything for the DV sound and the car used twice as much fuel so they came off and did the smooth box mod and found that a lot better mate
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For the induction mate I would stick with the panel filter I have tried two different kits and both I found were a bit crap didn't do anything for the DV sound and the car used twice as much fuel so they came off and did the smooth box mod and found that a lot better mate
My induction kit like the picture on page 1 sounds like its got a Dump valve and can get over 41.0mpg from a AGU engine.Love the induction roar it makes. :wink:
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This is my induction kit.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img811/8361/373v.jpg)
Parts altogether came to £90.
Sounds decent with the dumping noise of the Dv (standard one atm) and you can hear it sucking away like a prostitute on a saturday night.
you can either fit a smaller breather filter to the end of the pipe or do what i did and connect it back into the pipework using the silicone hose and adapter provided.
ive heard the ECU's prefer it to be back into the air induction but am sure both work.
Get a forge 007 and a stage 1 map on it. Sounds much better. :wink:
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For the induction mate I would stick with the panel filter I have tried two different kits and both I found were a bit crap didn't do anything for the DV sound and the car used twice as much fuel so they came off and did the smooth box mod and found that a lot better mate
My induction kit like the picture on page 1 sounds like its got a Dump valve and can get over 41.0mpg from a AGU engine.Love the induction roar it makes. :wink:
Mine had no effect what so ever I tried a cai one and normal knN and neither worked lol mine a ARZ engine the only reason I said about fuel was I do the same run most days and I use the same amount of fuel and when I had induction kit on I nearly ran out of fuel where I could do it normally with fuel spare lol
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Yeah same as me ,i had k&n panel filter then k&n induction kit then cai.The best is chopping the cai down and get a better filter for it. It sounds like a beast . :evil:
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Lowering kits arn't more expensive than coilovers on the whole, they're more expensive than CHEAP coilovers.
Decent coilovers will cost you much, MUCH more than a lowering kit.
I'd always go for coilovers over a lowering kit, as you're stuck with the ride height you're given with a lowering kit. With coilovers you can tweak it to get the look and ride that you want.
Cheap coilovers are fine for an every day road car generally, they go low, look good, and the ride isn't too terrible unless you're ultra low, but from a handling point of view a decent set of matched shocks and springs will probably handle better, than a set of quality coilovers will handle better again of course as they can be fine tuned.
As for the induction kit, I'd avoid the long metal tubes of the CAI kits that put the filter down low, they get covered in road crap and grime in no time, and are susceptible to taking on water over winter - not cool.
If you want more noise than your standard airbox and panel filter are giving, I'd look at sticking a cone under the bonnet, with a short length of silicon to space it out towards the inner wing. I'd usually use a jetex filter, but as you're after a Red one Badger5 have recently started offering BMC twin cones in red which look pretty good.
I'd also not worry too much about claims of it ''getting too hot in the engine bay'', the gains of a decent filter will outweigh it anyway, the on any mapped car the ko3/ko3s is such a heat pump anyway what small difference a cold air feed makes will be negated. I run a jetex cone on my 300bhp 1.8T and my inlet temps are considerably better than most!
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Put the filter like this ,with a forge 007 and stage 1 map it will sound like a different car and goes better than a k&n panel filter with a smooth airbox.
(http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/james2452/HPIM0517.jpg)
(http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/james2452/HPIM0518.jpg)
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and to prevent knocking and banging search into ARB front and rear, TT front kit £££ with adjustable drop links £££ and then a whiteline RARB comes with everything you need for about £180.
i'm starting with the ARBs, then the wheels, then the coilovers. reason being the wheels will be fitted when i want to lower it and i wont have to mess about with height adjustment otherwise. i'll probably throw in some S3 struts front and back afterwards. alot of work and money but from what i hear, having your steering sorted out first is a good start because when you do your power gains you know how your car will handle and i ordered a pipercross panel filter from the bay and i have noticed petrol consumption increase but at the same time i seem to pull better and get up to speed faster instead of the usual drag but i think the last monkey who had my car before me tried mapping it as it ran rough before i added a catch can and put the panel filter in, gonna smooth it next and get it to Rtech for a spec 1 remap and 007 fitted :grin:
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Thanks guys :)