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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Nelson on 04 July 2005, 13:10
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Name and shame time....
In April I sold Mr Richard Ellison of Reading/Leeds a chrome grille for his Mk1 Cabriolet. Sent him a picture, he OK'd it and sent me £50 via paypal. I sent the grille out to him.
No problems until June, when he emailed to say I hadn't sent him the two chrome parts for the light surrounds. I thought I had, because I was a set down, but I thought I'd be a nice guy, and sent him another pair that I had, at next day delivery. He then asked me to send them to a different address.
A couple of days later he emailed to say I haven't sent him the plastic parts for the lights surrounds, and he filed a paypal case against me. The case was an "Item not recieved" one, which was BS in the first place.
I phoned paypal twice, and emailed the photograph, dated timeline of the transaction, forwarded all of our correspondance, and a tracking number for the chrome surrounds that I sent him. I didnt have one from the april parcel to hand, but I sent them the dated emails which plainly say "recieved the parcel".
Just come back from holiday to find that the automatic paypal resolution system, has automatically decided in his favour because I hadn't responded. I today found out that phoning and emailing paypal wasnt enough, I had to go through the online thing, which didn't give me the option of saying my side of the story, as Mr Ellison had indeed recieved the item he had paid for.
I'm not going to buy two more light surrounds from VW because the nearest dealer is about 40 miles away in the wrong direction, and send them to him at more expense because Ive already lost about £20 through postage and packaging from the original £50, and they only cost about £2 each.
I have tried contacting Mr Ellison, to say that I would indeed offer him a refund if he sent me the items back, but the moment I said my name on the phone, he hung up.
Just rang paypal, who said that since I didnt do their auto resolution thing, it decided in his favour, and refunded him from my account. But I could appeal!
So, in total I've lost my chrome grille, 2 sets of light surround trims, £50 and the money I spent on P&P.
Anyone live in Reading?
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Sounds like a nightmare!
I'm having one of those wierd 'that name's familiar' moments, would I be right in thinking there is a Richard Ellison that uses this site???
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Yeah, there is. I met him at the Surrey meet. Seemed a decent chap tbh, really suprised at this post. Sounds like a communication breakdown that has gone horribly wrong :undecided:
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Oo-er this thread could get ugly, best sorted out in private methinks.
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So do I, but it's been going on for about 3 months now.
He'll get his refund when he sends me my grille back. Simple as that.
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Fraud/obtaining goods by deception is a criminal offence if you can prove he has received the grille , ie emails etc and paypal have taken the original £50 or whatever back out of you account and repaid the buyer his money it should not be hard to prove. :evil: :evil:
*gets out the toasting fork,marshmallows and camping stove and waits for piggy to come along* :grin:
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I do have tracking numbers and emails confirming that he has receieved the grille. All have which have been forwarded to paypal.
If he doesn't contact me soon, then I'll take things further.
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I'm having one of those wierd 'that name's familiar' moments, would I be right in thinking there is a Richard Ellison that uses this site???
this guy >> http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=1468
not reslling it is he?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4556533310
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There is a neston not far from me, on the wirral, which is a long way from reading
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Oh dear :sad:
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That's the one he bought mine to replace I believe!
I have two addresses for him, one of which is in Reading, the other is in Neston.
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you need to b1tch slap him mate!
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I'll have a word, i know where he lives :grin: Nah he's a good mate so i'll see what he says.
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Haha, name and shame just right.
In the end John, when you sell a grille I expect it to arrive in good condition with all the parts.
In the end I got a grille in $hit condition, incomplete with weeks and weeks of messing about and false promises about parts being delivered.
John, you'll recieve your money back once i get all my bits. Oh, and Im happy to return the grille, once you refund me for the metal cleaner and hours of labour taken to restore the thing to decent condition.
Its just so typical your only happy to blab when you've got a problem, not me.
And posting a thread about it is a bit lame too, i could have started one CRAP SELLER NAME AND SHAME but didnt.
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oh, and sugar- watch your mouth sonny :angry:
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oh dear, didnt see this comming :wink:
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Shame sugar is a woman, oh well if your into woman beating....... :undecided:
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I think that this thread should be ended here and the parties involved should sort this out via Pm or something (if they feel that there is any more that needs saying that is)
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Ignore me if i'm talking sh!te :smiley:
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most sensible idea i have heard all thread.
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You got exactly what I advertised and exactly what I sent you in the photograph: A chrome grille in which I considered to be decent nick, with two brand new chrome light surround trims. I never mentioned, or indeed photographed, the two plastic surrounds.
If you weren't happy with the condition, why didn't you contact me when you received it? I would have refunded you and taken the item back.
As for messing about, I apologise, but there were more pressing things to my mind than resending you two small items of trim which you only told me about about a month after I sent the grille and forgot about it.
I am not going to send you these two surrounds. They cost pittence from VW or GSF or ECP, and they are far more accessable in both Reading and Cheshire than they are in the Scottish Borders. In fact I've just looked it up on the GSF Website and they cost £2.75 each..
I am going down to Hoylake sometime soon, so we can either sort something out then, or via email, or indeed phone. If not, I will get the Police involved, as quite frankly, this is theft.
Oh, and you haven't started a thread because you have nothing to complain about as far as I can see! Grow up, and give me either my item, or my money back.
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Handbags at dawn tbh
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/mrwotto/handbags.gif)
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didnt want to lock this until rich had his say, this is between the two of you now guys.
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didnt want to lock this until rich had his say, this is between the two of you now guys.
Cheers Chris. I would have locked this a lot earlier but I have just got back from a 170 mile journey from Wales so this was all going on whilst I was driving.