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Model specific boards => Golf mk1 => Topic started by: jv on 03 August 2012, 15:01
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Yep, that's right, according to the latest issue of Golf+ magazine, until the mk6 version, there has never been a Golf GTI convertible.
If you have been driving one all these years, it was an illusion.
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:laugh: wow they certainly know their shizzle.
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wow ive been driving a mirage all these years? it felt so real :huh:
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Time to shoot the researchers me thinks :grin:
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Time to shoot the researchers me thinks :grin:
A VW Golf Magazine that needs researchers for that fact?.... Need to shoot the Editors.
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So that money pit thats parked in my garage is a figment of my imagination I guess..
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So that money pit thats parked in my garage is a figment of my imagination I guess..
Should have gone to Specsavers. :grin:
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Is Golf+ still going ? :huh:
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Is Golf+ still going ? :huh:
Sure is! :grin:
(http://world-viewer.com/data_images/volkswagen-golf-plus/volkswagen-golf-plus-12.jpg)
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Couldn't believe that this would have been in print... but its true!! :laugh:
http://www.thegolf.co.uk/features/road-tests/591-vw-golf-gti-cabriolet-test-drive.html (http://www.thegolf.co.uk/features/road-tests/591-vw-golf-gti-cabriolet-test-drive.html)
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I couldn't help myself..I posted a comment. Now lets see if it passes the Moderator.
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:shocked:
I couldn't help myself..I posted a comment. Now lets see if it passes the Moderator.
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Have I missed something?
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I couldn't help myself..I posted a comment. Now lets see if it passes the Moderator.
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Have I missed something?
Clearly. :cool:
At the bottom of the article is a box to post a comment. So I did.
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:shocked:
I couldn't help myself..I posted a comment. Now lets see if it passes the Moderator.
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Have I missed something?
Clearly. :cool:
At the bottom of the article is a box to post a comment. So I did.
And what's wrong with that?
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I couldn't help myself..I posted a comment. Now lets see if it passes the Moderator.
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Have I missed something?
Clearly. :cool:
At the bottom of the article is a box to post a comment. So I did.
And what's wrong with that?
Pointing out that the article writer was clearly wrong and clearly doesn't know his stuff, doesn't tend to down well.
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not defending them in anyway.
but are the gti variants actually vws? only reason I ask (and ive also own and driven this mirrage) is becuase im sure I once read in some restoration manual that the vw stopped manufacturing the golf cabby themselfs when the mk2 came out and karmen bought the shells and made a number of special editions over the years one being the gti.
although these where badged and sold in vw dealerships they where not actually built by vw
so in theory vw hasnt ever produced a gti convertible.
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quick bit of research in said book.
vw got karmen (german coachbuilders) to design and build the convertible for them which is why all of them have karmen badges on them vw shelved the cabby when the mk2 was realised but karmen still had a number of shells remaining and continued to manufacture and sell them via vw dealerships vw never realised a golf gti cabby
karmen did
vw also got karmen to design and build the corrado
*info taken out of a golf mk1 restoration manual so not sure how accurate it is
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so you're saying that all those VW Corrado owners don't have a VW Corrado either? :grin:
VW still sold my GTi as a VW GTi.. so I have a GTi cabriolet which is still a VW
There has been a new comment added that this was the only time that the GTi Cabriolet has been sold 'globally' :undecided:
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Pointing out that the article writer was clearly wrong and clearly doesn't know his stuff, doesn't tend to down well.
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Ignore my previous comments, I thought you were talking about a post in here... :rolleyes:
As far as the rest of this thread has gone, I need to agree with Guy, he owns a VW Mk1 Golf GTI Cabriolet, there's no doubt about that.
However, what the Golf Plus article is trying to say is badly written IMO. If the intention for the mk6 cabby is to be the first Global GTI version, then this is true. But is not the first GTI Cabriolet.
Note the following though:
VW stopped the production of MK1's altogether at the end of 1983 and started producing the MK2
Karmann continue to put together mk1 cabbys as there were still a lot of shells left, this did lead to special editions and the introduction of the GTI versions which included the Sportline and the Rivage. This stopped in 1993. Think about it, what is the earliest version of the Mk1 GTI cabriolet and who built them?
Slightly off topic, VW South Africa continued making the Citi Golfs until 2009
At least this article kicked off correctly.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/golf-gti/first-drives/volkswagen-golf-gti-cabriolet
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regardless of who put the car together, the shell is VW and the parts VW and the logbook states Volkswagen Golf not Karmen Golf!
What utter tripe and an insult to the mk1 golf i think!
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Shaun, not sure I get what you're saying. Are you saying all mk1 cabs were made by karmen and made in the 90s ? mk1 cabs were around very early, you could certainly get them on a Y or A plate and they did not have the clipper kit on them. I don't think they had any karmen badges on them either.
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by that logic you could argue that a skoda is a vw as it uses vw parts, or a rover 600 is a honda accord
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Shaun, not sure I get what you're saying. Are you saying all mk1 cabs were made by karmen and made in the 90s ? mk1 cabs were around very early, you could certainly get them on a Y or A plate and they did not have the clipper kit on them. I don't think they had any karmen badges on them either.
Cabbys if I recall correctly have been around since 1979. I was saying, think about the earliest GTI version, when was that?
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to my knowledge the earliest gti variant was on a e plate and came with the clipper kit
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by that logic you could argue that a skoda is a vw as it uses vw parts, or a rover 600 is a honda accord
not really. a skoda may use vw parts but it states Skoda on the logbook does it not?! A mk1 golf cabrio states Volkswagen on its registration documents not Karmen!
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i suppose its the same with the fox it states it a vw on logbook but vw dont build them
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to my knowledge the earliest gti variant was on a e plate and came with the clipper kit
Think the earliest is B reg
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A reg on ebay and theres no clipper kit
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mk-1-Golf-GTi-Cabrio-/160864358054?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2574434ea6
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A reg on ebay and theres no clipper kit
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mk-1-Golf-GTi-Cabrio-/160864358054?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2574434ea6
Interesting car, registered the same month that Wolfsburg stopped Mk1 production. Also registered the same year and area My first GTI was.
Is this one of the first GTI cabbys then? :cool:
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The Cabby was made along side the Rocco at the Karmann Factory in Osnabruck, as VW wasn't sure about production numbers and changing the line at Wolfsburg to accomodate.
As Karmann were specialist coach builders VW approached them to do the Cabby, so it is a a special made bodyshell and not a standard tin top with the roof cut off. Karmann took the MKl bodyshell, strengthened it to increase its weight to 136 kg, and created the best convertible money could buy in 1979. Modifications were pretty much as with the hatchback Golf. The GLi had the 1588cc GTI engine and suspension, while the GLS had uprated trim -- but only a 70 bhp, 1457cc engine. In 1982, the 1.8 GTI engine was installed into the GLi, and the GLS got a 1595cc unit. For 1981, the dash was upgraded. Sports seats and a lockable glovebox became part of the specification by 1983. The GTI designation was finally adopted in 1985. In 1988, VW modernised the bodywork with rounded bumpers, integrated front spoiler, rear apron and more prominent wheel arches, this became known as the “Clipper kit or Big Bumper kit” Also, a 1.8 carburettor-fed Clipper Model, replaced the old 1.6 GL and in 1990, a power hood was added to the spec.
Therefore there was no MK 2 version of the Cabriolet.
There have been plenty of special editions, from the Christmas Cabriolet (85-86) mistakenly called the Cocco Channel, whom never had a connection with VW.
3 versions of this were:
"Lady Sunshine" - Alpine White exterior paint, white plastic trim and door panels, white hood, white seat trim, black carpet, Zandvoort 5.5"x13" alloys
"Mister Moon" - Sapphire Blue Metallic exterior paint, Blue plastic trim and Mauritius blue door panels, Atoll blue hood, Mauritius blue seat trim, Mauritius blue carpet, Avus (coded Helios Blue) 6"x14" alloys
"Lady Charme" - Alpine White exterior paint, white plastic trim and blue CC door panels, blue CC hood, blue CC headlining and sunvisors, blue CC seat trim, Mauritius blue carpet, Avus (coded Alpine White) 6"x14" alloys, Gamma radio
'All White' and 'All Black' in 1986.
The Sportline and Rivage, 1991-92 were the run out production of the MK1 shape as Karmann changed to build the MK3 Cabriolet.
So are limited in numbers.
Sportlines came with Black BBS RA with painted silver lip and Recaro sport seats.
Top wise they were fitted with black headliner and black vynil top, Electro hydraulic set up was used.
They were more aesthetic (sporty) looking than the Rivage finished in Red or black but lacked the refinery of the Rivage, specs.
The Rivage was produced in either Classic Green pearl or Classic blue Peal paint finshes.
The Blue version came with either a Mauritus blue interior, black headliner and blue carpet, late versions have a grey diagonal stripe and black carpet.
Some Blue versions had Beige leather seats and beige carpet, but these were optional extras.
The Green versions were all fitted with Beige Leather interior and Carpet.
All Rivages had the extra advantage of heated seats and power windows over the Sportline.
The Heated seats do extend the seasonal use of the cabriolet during autumn.
There is always debate as to what model is the best between the 2.
Some people like the Recaro interior of the Sportline, however as these are now getting on, it’s impossible to find the material to repair and 2nd hand sets of interiors command the price tags of £500-£600.
The advantage of the leather in the Rivage is that it can be repaired and replaced much easier, as leather is more readily available.
Various colour options were available with the Quartette models.
The Clipper was designated as the Base model for the Cabriolet, therefore there is no such thing as "Clipper GTI".
All production of the Cabby was undertaken by Karmann inc those destined for the USA markets and not manufactured at the Westmoreland Plant as some people have stated historically.
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Sorry if that was wordy and nerdy lol.. :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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Sorry if that was wordy and nerdy lol.. :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
we love that down here...
just don't tell the others :wink:
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Sorry if that was wordy and nerdy lol.. :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
If you wrote that yourself you deserve a serious :nerd: star!
If you copied your homework from someone else, then more like :undecided: :embarrassed: :evil:
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It's a 50/50 so I only get half a star.
A lot is research by me over the various forums and I only have one book on the GOLF.
And that wasn't taken from it either.
It's all out there I just see stuff and write it down and tweek it and add what else I have gleaned.
It's not complete as I was writing a paper about the cabriolet per se.
As a final point Karmann made the Escort Cabby for ford and apparently worked with Renault for their Cabriolets also?
They are no longer in manufacturing and have closed down so I understand.
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I have loads of bookmarks in my browser for Cabby stuff.
Like this:-
http://www.auta5p.eu/lang/en/katalog/auto.php?idf=Biagini-Passo-4WD-221
Bizarre, but I kind of like Cabby in the snow...
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where did you get that from wikipedia?!
it says the GTi cabriolet was finally adopted in 1985 however the example i posted that was in ebay was a cabrio GTi and registered 12/12/1983!
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where did you get that from wikipedia?!
it says the GTi cabriolet was finally adopted in 1985 however the example i posted that was in ebay was a cabrio GTi and registered 12/12/1983!
There was some useful information there but I have to agree, I thought the earliest MK1 GTI Cabby was 83. :undecided:
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What it is saying I believe is that by 84 in the USA and 85-UK the 1.8 GTI engine became the standard power plant for the "GTI" Cabby models, which succeeded the Gli.
It's not saying that models prior could not be a GTI, there were a lot of quick changes engine wise over a few short years, you had the GLi etc beforehand which still had an injected engine albeit a 1.6. A 1.8 GTI engine was available as early as 82 for the GLi. So you could get both models with a 1.8 GTI engine.
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What it is saying I believe is that by 84 in the USA and 85-UK the 1.8 GTI engine became the standard power plant for the "GTI" Cabby models, which succeeded the Gli.
It's not saying that models prior could not be a GTI, there were a lot of quick changes engine wise over a few short years, you had the GLi etc beforehand which still had an injected engine albeit a 1.6. A 1.8 GTI engine was available as early as 82 for the GLi. So you could get both models with a 1.8 GTI engine.
Ah see I knew the GTI lump was used in the GLI's but I thought you could get a GTI spec cabby from 83... :undecided:
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What it is saying I believe is that by 84 in the USA and 85-UK the 1.8 GTI engine became the standard power plant for the "GTI" Cabby models, which succeeded the Gli.
It's not saying that models prior could not be a GTI, there were a lot of quick changes engine wise over a few short years, you had the GLi etc beforehand which still had an injected engine albeit a 1.6. A 1.8 GTI engine was available as early as 82 for the GLi. So you could get both models with a 1.8 GTI engine.
Ah see I knew the GTI lump was used in the GLI's but I thought you could get a GTI spec cabby from 83... :undecided:
you could... clearly as the ebay car prooves!
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What it is saying I believe is that by 84 in the USA and 85-UK the 1.8 GTI engine became the standard power plant for the "GTI" Cabby models, which succeeded the Gli.
It's not saying that models prior could not be a GTI, there were a lot of quick changes engine wise over a few short years, you had the GLi etc beforehand which still had an injected engine albeit a 1.6. A 1.8 GTI engine was available as early as 82 for the GLi. So you could get both models with a 1.8 GTI engine.
Ah see I knew the GTI lump was used in the GLI's but I thought you could get a GTI spec cabby from 83... :undecided:
you could... clearly as the ebay car prooves!
Aww I hate to say it but one car on ebay doesn't prove that much.
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seems pretty genuine to me, if you put the registration number in to an insurance database it does come up as a Golf GTi cabriolet.
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What it is saying I believe is that by 84 in the USA and 85-UK the 1.8 GTI engine became the standard power plant for the "GTI" Cabby models, which succeeded the Gli.
It's not saying that models prior could not be a GTI, there were a lot of quick changes engine wise over a few short years, you had the GLi etc beforehand which still had an injected engine albeit a 1.6. A 1.8 GTI engine was available as early as 82 for the GLi. So you could get both models with a 1.8 GTI engine.
Ah see I knew the GTI lump was used in the GLI's but I thought you could get a GTI spec cabby from 83... :undecided:
You could, but also a GLi etc, it was my understanding, only till 85 that they made the cabby GTI 1.8 definitive, I.E. all Cabby GTI would be the 1.8, have a look on some other cabbies, they have the early style badges as fitted onto the tin top. I believe the others were dropped bar from the GL, which then had a 1.6 engine fitted. Some of the changes made were across the hard top platform such as engine changes, dash etc, Grilles with twin spots etc.
The problem is VW made different levels over a small number of years, So putting it into context 79-83 is only four years for a lot of changes. So by 6 years the Cabby GTI was just that. To add to the confusion different areas had different designation, I.E. the American Market got the Rabbit, named because it was the Chinese new year animal at the time. It was confusing enough as the the cars were named after winds, the jetta (jet stream) the sirocco (North African, Mediterranean wind) and the Gulf (gulf stream) in German became the Golf in English etc, nothing to do with the game. Although it was quickly adapted with quirks like the Golf ball Knobs on later cars. Even the later Bora is a wind Google it you'll see.
Also cars from other countries have ended up here with different models over the years so some have confused as to what was available in the UK Market.
Things like the Rivage are called the Classic line in Europe and classic edition is another name for it used in The USA. I have seen some on E bay. UK, inc a Ettienne Aiger who is a fashion designer etc. The UK market didn't really get that much in the way of special editions as in Europe and the states.
I think that some of the refinements came across at a similar time they introduced the last Special Editioned tin top which was only ever called a special edition, but came to be known as the "campaign Model" becuse it was part of a VW campaign, others call it the "Pirelli edtion" because of the P Slots fitted.
(courtesy of dubboy).
It's also not uncommon for people to change colours, interiors and badges to update their cars. So this can add to the confusion also.
Read quite a few E Bay ads and you'll get what I mean "Special Karmann edition" ring a bell. Again no such thing as all the cars were built by Karmann. All the cars built there had the Karmann badges fitted as a kind of mark of respect. From research only the power train and suspension set ups were provided by VW.
The info is out there... You just gotta look.
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love those Ebay ads that say RARE campaign model and its a Y reg! :grin:
in fact i love all the wrong Ebay ads, im one of those really annoying people that feel the need to message the seller to put them right :lipsrsealed:
Interesting to hear about the 'coco chanel' cabrio which is actual a christmas cabrio! i didnt beleive it was anything to do with chanel in the first place so thats one mystery solved for me!
now, whos up for a trip to the Wolfsburg museum? im feeling much love for the mk1 now :smiley:
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I love E Bay, everything is rare and obsolete etc...lol.
I reproduce a few bits for the Rivage, inc the "Rivage " Decal..it's amazing how people jump on the band wagon, claiming theirs are Original etc.
I did loads of research before mine were made in the correct silver shaded dots.
Some on the Bay are just solid silver foil, like cooking foil and one seller has made them in black dots on white vinyl, claiming they are taken from an original??? Mine were taken from a super low mileage model in Scotland and cross referenced, before I even got them made up.
Mind you E mailing sellers would be real dedication and I have done it myself too lol.