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Title: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 30 July 2012, 10:41
namely me.  :embarassed:

I'm just after some basic instructions on what I have to do to code my cluster in when I fit it. I have VAG TACHO and VAG COM ready to do everything (SKC pull, mileage correction, key coding) but I'm just not 100% on how to code the new cluster in.

I know there is a step by step guide on the Ross-Tech site but it seems a bit long winded and I'm rubbish at following instructions lol

Any help is much appreciated
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: richw911 on 30 July 2012, 11:00
Old_no7 Neil is the man to speak to though he says the ross tech is the best guide to use

http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/356613.aspx  :smiley:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Wazzzer on 30 July 2012, 11:04
Yeah I've dropped Neil an email but no reply yet. I'm just worried about using that guide as it says it's for immo3 cars whereas mine is originally immo2 :undecided:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 30 July 2012, 11:13
any vids on you tube?
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Wazzzer on 30 July 2012, 11:48
not for coding the clusters but there is one on there for doing the keys which is now saved in my favourites :wink:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Rhyso on 30 July 2012, 13:06
One thing I'd be weary of is the ability of VAG TACHO to actually pull the SKC code from your clocks.

I tried coding in Jamie's spare set the other week and it came up with a code which I entered but it was having none of it  :undecided:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Wazzzer on 30 July 2012, 13:16
I'll bear that in mind mate. At least I've got my old clocks to fall back on if it all goes wrong. What version were you using?

EDIT - I'll try VAG TACHO on my clocks later and see if they pull the right code :wink:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Rhyso on 30 July 2012, 13:24
Urm think its 2.1 or 2.2  :undecided:  It's a few years old but the couple of times Iv'e tried coding it NEVER seems to have pulled the SKC code  :undecided:

Must be user error  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Wazzzer on 30 July 2012, 13:32
Did you add the 0 in front?

Neil has come through for me, what is worrying is that his email looks to be stuff he's pulled straight out of his head, think he's got the process etched in his brain  :laugh:

Anyways I'll give it a go later, still can't find an outside temp sensor but I'll just run some cable out under the scuttle panel and leave it there for when I pick one up or just test out this Passat one I've got
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Rhyso on 30 July 2012, 13:40
Yep I added the 0 and it made no difference  :sad:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Wazzzer on 30 July 2012, 13:44
strange. I'll see what happens later then
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: jamie1989 on 30 July 2012, 13:49
Its my strange car haha
Iv covered my current clocks in a Forge sticker as I cant see MPG etc anyways. (the red screen fades away  :grin:)

My spare clocks are now broke I tried stripping them to swap the red cluster part but heavy hands ruined them lol
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: richw911 on 30 July 2012, 23:02
Did you add the 0 in front?

Neil has come through for me, what is worrying is that his email looks to be stuff he's pulled straight out of his head, think he's got the process etched in his brain  :laugh:

Anyways I'll give it a go later, still can't find an outside temp sensor but I'll just run some cable out under the scuttle panel and leave it there for when I pick one up or just test out this Passat one I've got

 :grin: that doesn't surprise me  :laugh:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: old_n07 on 31 July 2012, 12:33
Did you add the 0 in front?

Neil has come through for me, what is worrying is that his email looks to be stuff he's pulled straight out of his head, think he's got the process etched in his brain  :laugh:

Anyways I'll give it a go later, still can't find an outside temp sensor but I'll just run some cable out under the scuttle panel and leave it there for when I pick one up or just test out this Passat one I've got

 :grin: that doesn't surprise me  :laugh:

Cheeky fookers :grin:

Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: old_n07 on 31 July 2012, 12:38
Here is a link to a PDF guide (http://www.gwdale.co.uk/other/immo2_to_immo3_install.pdf) that I've written, memorise it as it will self destruct in 90 seconds  :laugh:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Wazzzer on 01 August 2012, 19:02
Extracted the SKC from my old cluster today to see if I could get the hang of VAG Tacho and it worked a treat :afro:

So tomorrow the steering wheel is coming out so I can fit the new wiper stalk and additional wires then hopefully the clocks  :wink:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Rhyso on 01 August 2012, 19:59
Extracted the SKC from my old cluster today to see if I could get the hang of VAG Tacho and it worked a treat :afro:

So tomorrow the steering wheel is coming out so I can fit the new wiper stalk and additional wires then hopefully the clocks  :wink:

You coded the new clocks in then?? Or have you pulled what you 'hope' is the SKC..........
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Wazzzer on 01 August 2012, 21:10
no I pulled the SKC from my old clocks then logged in via VAG COM as a test :afro:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: jamie1989 on 01 August 2012, 21:31
The old skc code is not needed to code in the new clocks I thought?

You need the new code for the new clocks, the only info you need from the old clocks is the mileage isnt it?
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Rhyso on 01 August 2012, 21:50
The old skc code is not needed to code in the new clocks I thought?

You need the new code for the new clocks, the only info you need from the old clocks is the mileage isnt it?

Not according to Neils and Ross Techs guide   :undecided:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: jamie1989 on 01 August 2012, 21:53
I read this sorry

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=237500.0
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Rhyso on 01 August 2012, 21:59
I read this sorry

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=237500.0

 Which is what Neil linked to  :tongue:

Slightly off topic but what do you need to code an immob2 set to an immob2 car  :undecided:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Wazzzer on 02 August 2012, 17:57
Not sure myself mate but it's probably the same as immo2 to immo3, just the SKC for the new and the soft codings and mileage from the old cluster
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: old_n07 on 02 August 2012, 19:17
Yes just the SKC as all you need to do is code the keys to the cluster :afro:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: old_n07 on 02 August 2012, 19:19
The old skc code is not needed to code in the new clocks I thought?

You need the new code for the new clocks, the only info you need from the old clocks is the mileage isnt it?

Not according to Neils and Ross Techs guide   :undecided:

Do you need new glasses  :tongue: it says at the top "the SKC from the old cluster isn't needed"  :grin:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Rhyso on 02 August 2012, 19:45
The old skc code is not needed to code in the new clocks I thought?

You need the new code for the new clocks, the only info you need from the old clocks is the mileage isnt it?

Not according to Neils and Ross Techs guide   :undecided:

Do you need new glasses  :tongue: it says at the top "the SKC from the old cluster isn't needed"  :grin:

Doh i meant no you dont need the skc code.  I was answering the first question..... :grin:

Equally it doesnt matter as the codes i pulled from the new cluster didnt work.......
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: old_n07 on 02 August 2012, 20:22
Is this Wazzers cluster or another one you are talking about Rhyso?
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Rhyso on 02 August 2012, 20:58
Is this Wazzers cluster or another one you are talking about Rhyso?

Jamie's cluster mate  :smiley:  i tried coding in an immob2 but he didnt have the SKC code.  We put the new clocks in, connected vag tacho and pulled a 4 digit code.  Then followed the guide (added a 0 before the 4 digit code) but it wouldnt have any of it  :undecided:
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: jamie1989 on 02 August 2012, 21:02
Must be my car Rhyso  :grin:
Hates being potched with lol
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Wazzzer on 02 August 2012, 22:40
Is this Wazzers cluster or another one you are talking about Rhyso?

That immo icon has gone now mate, dunno why it popped up like that
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: old_n07 on 03 August 2012, 15:19
VT doesn't like some of the older clusters, you can try selecting VDO old from the cluster type but if that doesn't work you can get the SKC with Vag K+.

Did you check the lock out timers in the cluster Rhyso? if they are active then you can't do anything until they have timed out, you just have to wait even if you have the correct SKC :afro:

Although if you have a the correct virgin code dump to hand you can flash the cluster with this then retry the coding but you will need to extract the skc again as it will be different after flashing with another code file.
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Wazzzer on 03 August 2012, 20:30
well I'm stumped...

VAG COM will only let me code in one key!!
Title: Re: Cluster coding for a dummy...
Post by: Wazzzer on 03 August 2012, 20:55
scratch that, they're in  :cool:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 03 August 2012, 21:20
job done, I feckin love them  :drool: :drool:

Car just needs a good wash and polish and it's ready for V-dub Island :cool:

Will get some pics in a bit, gotta go and pick the missus and kids up  :wink:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: daz veedub on 03 August 2012, 21:24
yeahhhhhhh  :cool:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 03 August 2012, 22:09
don't have outside temp yet though Daz :wink:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 03 August 2012, 22:13
nom nom nom

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/WesRS/IMG_20120803_212452.jpg)

Rubbish phone pics, will get some better ones with a proper camera tomrrow
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: tdi_blu on 03 August 2012, 22:20
They look awsome  :cool:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 03 August 2012, 22:28
thanks mate, no more sleepy blue in there!
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: richw911 on 03 August 2012, 22:47
Look great Wez  :cool: :cool:  :cool:

What are they modded standard clocks?
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 03 August 2012, 23:41
Yeah all blue SMDs removed, clock and mileage
replaced with red, gauges replaced with white :cool:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: jnufcuk on 04 August 2012, 11:15
Yeah all blue SMDs removed, clock and mileage
replaced with red, gauges replaced with white :cool:

RayArd never fails to amaze me. Well at least I'm guessing it was him as he's a bloody genious  :nerd:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 04 August 2012, 22:34
yep they're his handy work  :wink:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: cullygti on 05 August 2012, 10:18
look great they do wez  :cool:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Rhyso on 05 August 2012, 14:40
Ive seen that colour scheme before somewhere  :undecided:












Oh yeah, in my Aldi  :laugh:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/Rhyso/Audi%20A3/IMG_2012.jpg)


Top work as always Wes :afro:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 05 August 2012, 16:54
Where do you think I got the idea from  :wink:

I did want the inverted displays like you've got but Ray said it was a nightmare to do so I held off on that one

I've just changed the lit needles so the gauges come on at the same time now as you can see the LEDs in the daytime :afro:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: old_n07 on 05 August 2012, 17:03
Looking good Wes, those white LED's are bright you'll need sun glasses in the dark  :laugh:

Glad you sorted the coding out, not too hard to do is it  :wink:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 05 August 2012, 17:14
I was surprised how easy it was mate  :wink:

Thanks for your help, wouldn't have been able to do it without your guidance :afro:

I've even been at the v-dub festival flashing eeproms for MTE and illuminated needles  :grin:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: old_n07 on 05 August 2012, 17:18
Just make sure you keep a backup of the standard eprom just in case, it saved my bacon when I flashed Tabs' Bora and it wouldn't start after  :laugh:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 05 August 2012, 17:51
Yep I do that as a matter of course, no harm in having a backup :afro:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: tdi_blu on 06 August 2012, 16:45
How did you get it to display miles left in tank instead of the more common MPG ive been wanting to get that done on mine for ages..
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Steve_PD on 06 August 2012, 17:56
How did you get it to display miles left in tank instead of the more common MPG ive been wanting to get that done on mine for ages..

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=175845.0
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: tdi_blu on 06 August 2012, 18:12
That looks technical looks like I wont be getting that  :grin:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 06 August 2012, 18:29
it's an absolute piece of piss mate. Bit scary first time round but all is well
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: tdi_blu on 06 August 2012, 18:36
I think I have the right clocks as mine are the full fis display and the cars a 02 , I havent got the lead and software etc. I have just sent the info to a friend who has got all the kit see if its something he can do as I would really like it done and love your clocks they look sweet...
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 06 August 2012, 18:37
cheers mate  :wink:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: tdi_blu on 06 August 2012, 18:38
No worries Ive read through your build thread some very nice work  :wink:
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: Wazzzer on 06 August 2012, 18:43
Cheers buddy, at least it looks good from the outside...

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=237932.0
Title: Re: Clocks are in with MTE and lit needles!
Post by: topher on 06 August 2012, 19:30
How did you get it to display miles left in tank instead of the more common MPG ive been wanting to get that done on mine for ages..

your dad asked me about that aaaages ago. If your mate can't sort it give me a shout