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Title: Building wired network
Post by: admc6 on 25 July 2012, 08:22
Hi,

I'm in the middle of re wiring my house and thought while I'm making a mess I would run some network cable through aswell.

If I run some cat 5 between a couple of wall plates, something like....

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0019QVO5O/ref=redir_mdp_mobile?ref_=sr_1_27&qid=1343136314&sr=8-27 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0019QVO5O/ref=redir_mdp_mobile?ref_=sr_1_27&qid=1343136314&sr=8-27)

Would that work ok?

Anything I need to look out for?
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: R32UK on 25 July 2012, 11:00
personally i wouldnt bother, esp with power link now available. uses your existing power network to send the data required to anywhere in your house. :nerd:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: admc6 on 25 July 2012, 13:26
Would you not get a better connection with a proper cable?

Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: R32UK on 25 July 2012, 13:30
Would you not get a better connection with a proper cable?


the actual losses are so small you would be hard pushed to find that a dedicated cable gives you a better conection. Although I would have though the cost of cable + labour would not have been feasible.

Its your call... but why bother when there is a product on the market to cover this exact problem, you are after all still hard wired to your router/hub
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Ridg on 25 July 2012, 15:10
Would you not get a better connection with a proper cable?


the actual losses are so small you would be hard pushed to find that a dedicated cable gives you a better conection. Although I would have though the cost of cable + labour would not have been feasible.

Its your call... but why bother when there is a product on the market to cover this exact problem, you are after all still hard wired to your router/hub

any Cat 5e or Cat6 cable will give you double the speed, the fastest ethernet over power at the moment is what upto 500Mbps Gigabit is 1000Mbps a top end kit will cost you ~ £60 for a point to point kit, for the same money you should be able to get 100M of cat6 and the facing plates.

I personally have my house wired up for full gigabit, in terms of throughput difference between the power link stuff, you wont notice any unless you're moving large files around e.g. on the powerlink stuff you'll get around 50MB a sec on gigabit 100MB per sec.

the powerlink stuff does solve a problem but if you're already re-wiring your house then drop a few cat5e or cat6 cables down whilst you're doing it.


Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: R32UK on 25 July 2012, 15:38
I agree about the download speeds... but I guess it boils down to how much you really need the full bandwidth available
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: admc6 on 25 July 2012, 15:50
I know I'm able to acquire cable and sockets for fairly cheap and we are doing full re wire ourselves so labour is just our own time.

Would fixing cable to a face plate either end (like the one in previous post) work ok?

Can I run the cable next to power cables without problem?
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Adam on 25 July 2012, 16:45
Can I run the cable next to power cables without problem?

To reduce "noise" I would opt for a shielded cat5e or cat6 cable.
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: admc6 on 25 July 2012, 17:19
Any other tips?
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: simonpolly on 25 July 2012, 18:27
Can I run the cable next to power cables without problem?

To reduce "noise" I would opt for a shielded cat5e or cat6 cable.

Make sure you earth any shielded cable you use or it will have the opposite effect and amplify the noise .
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: admc6 on 25 July 2012, 21:36
Can I run the cable next to power cables without problem?

To reduce "noise" I would opt for a shielded cat5e or cat6 cable.

Make sure you earth any shielded cable you use or it will have the opposite effect and amplify the noise .


This may seem like a daft question but is there an earthing wire running through cat 5? Or are you earthing the faceplate
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: admc6 on 31 July 2012, 10:14
Found this website for anyone interested

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/4747289 (http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/4747289)
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: DubFan on 08 August 2012, 13:47
I would run Cat5e everywhere if you have the chance. Dedicated cables are always going to be better.

I would probably run 2 cat5e or cat6 (for future proofing) to each room with a twin socket faceplate, with all the cables terminating in a central place, like a cupboard under the stairs, with plugs on the ends of the cables. Then have a 8/16 port Gigabit switch in there along with your internet router (not all routers run at Gigabit and a dedicated switch will have more ports).

Why run 2 cables to each room?
Chances are that you may have a laptop that can use wifi but also consider your Sky/Virgin box, Xbox/PS3 and you may want a network printer in a room or you may even chose to run your landline phones over the cat5e/6 cables.

In your central place you could also put a NAS device for backup too.
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: admc6 on 08 August 2012, 16:55
I have run two cables to master bedroom (pc/Xbox) and one to each other room. That way I only have 4 going to router. I can get switch in any room I may want more connections, but don't think that will be an issue.

All in all it's only cost me about 30 quid. I managed to get 90ft of cable for nothing  :laugh:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Jay on 17 August 2012, 13:21
£30 is cheaper than an 'elegant' alternative...

http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-av-wall-4pe.html

You'd need two of these at a minimum  :sad:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Rhyso on 17 August 2012, 13:24
£30 is cheaper than an 'elegant' alternative...

http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-av-wall-4pe.html

You'd need two of these at a minimum  :sad:

Could do with something like that at the back of my TV........

Would they work with existing Home Plugs?  Already got one set
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Jay on 17 August 2012, 13:31
I'd assume so if they are a Solwise product, but check with Solwise before buying anything.
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Rhyso on 17 August 2012, 13:53
I'd assume so if they are a Solwise product, but check with Solwise before buying anything.

Ah I got a TP Link set  :sad:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: SoundillusioN on 17 August 2012, 14:02
personally i wouldnt bother, esp with power link now available. uses your existing power network to send the data required to anywhere in your house. :nerd:

THIS....

I'm using Comtrend Powerline adapters throughout the house, even to the man shed 30 meters away from the house.  No issues at all.  :nerd:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Rhyso on 19 August 2012, 20:40
Rather than start a new thread ill ask my question here

I currently have my wireless router in the dining room as it gives me the best coverage for the house.  From that in have some TP homeplugs which i have one in the living room behind my tv. 

As my collection of items has grown that requires / can be connected im looking for a solution so i can have everything connected without having to swap wires etc.

I got my Sky box, xbox and blue ray player.  At some point ill add a new tv which will probably require another connection.

My question is can i buy a router, plug it into the homeplug behind my tv and then use it to connect all the devices to the internet??

Moving the router is not an option as the master socket is in my bedroom at the back of the house.

Hope that makes sense  :undecided:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: bobbarley on 19 August 2012, 20:44
You can do exactly that mate.  Just buy a router. 

Connect the Homeplug to the router, then all your devices to the same router.

A switch is better, it's a router but with better packet delivery  :smiley:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Rhyso on 19 August 2012, 20:46
You can do exactly that mate.  Just buy a router. 

Connect the Homeplug to the router, then all your devices to the same router.

A switch is better, it's a router but with better packet delivery  :smiley:

Sweet!!

Any recommendations for a switch??
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: bobbarley on 19 August 2012, 20:51
They're all good to be honest.  I like Belkin, but D-link and Netgear are also great  :smiley:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Rhyso on 19 August 2012, 20:52
They're all good to be honest.  I like Belkin, but D-link and Netgear are also great  :smiley:

Is it something like this i want??

http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Gigabit-Unmanaged-Desktop-TL-SG1005D/dp/B000N99BBC/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1345405853&sr=1-1

Ive got TP Homeplugs so thought id stick with the same brand  :undecided:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: bobbarley on 19 August 2012, 20:53
For the money, this might be just the job?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Unmanaged-Desktop-TL-SF1005D-Plastic/dp/B000FNFSPY/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1345405870&sr=8-7
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Rhyso on 19 August 2012, 20:58
Might go for the quicker one lol

Thanks Nige :afro:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: bobbarley on 19 August 2012, 20:59
NP mate, they're both good for the money.  Will work perfectly  :smiley:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Rhyso on 19 August 2012, 21:02
NP mate, they're both good for the money.  Will work perfectly  :smiley:

Cool

One last question - much difference in network cables for linking the router and my devices??
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: bobbarley on 19 August 2012, 21:19
Nope, all the cables.
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Rhyso on 19 August 2012, 21:22
Nope, all the cables.

All the same?? Bit of a cryptic answer  :tongue:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: bobbarley on 19 August 2012, 21:32
lol, shoulda finished that!  Cables are all the same  :smiley:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Rhyso on 19 August 2012, 21:53
lol, shoulda finished that!  Cables are all the same  :smiley:

Ta  :smiley:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: Rhyso on 25 August 2012, 08:01
Bought the network switch, plugged it in, works a treat  :smiley:

Still waiting for my other network cables mind....... :sad:

Cheers for the info Nige :afro:
Title: Re: Building wired network
Post by: bobbarley on 25 August 2012, 11:19
Nice one mate, glad it works perfectly!

I need to sort something out here really.  The wireless won't reach to my PC in Myla's room properly, and I can't run cat 5 cable down there.  I tried using my home plugs put they're dropping as many packets as they're delivering.