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Title: SORTED!! whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 19 July 2012, 20:21
golf gti 1.8t
2003 AUQ
86,000 miles
problems still to solve..... timing slightly out,been like this for a while,fault code camshaft sensor, speed sensor, inc

hi i have a whining noise coming from the induction area of the engine not belt side
there is no noise while ticking over until i rev up and bring the turbo in but there is no smoke from the turbo
sounds like a belt catching and gets louder when reved up, car runs fine and no fault codes

the day before i recived my new recerculating valve and fitted it road tested and everything was sweet
next day from work did a ew laps of the town then the whining started, pulled over and herd the noise coming from the
recirculation valve area.
replaced my old recirculation valve and the problem was still there.
removed my induction filter from the maf and still the same noise
checked for cracks in pipes everything ok, then checked the maf and air flow and fault codes on vagcom everything ok

any ideas?

could something come loose on the belt chain??

turbo whining maybe???

Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: stfc_gti on 19 July 2012, 21:41
sounds like the turbo, as far as im aware they all whirl when rev'd nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: james2 on 19 July 2012, 22:05
Fix the faulty and go from there. Your car might want a upgraded turbo /k04,ko3s.  :nerd: its letting you know.
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 20 July 2012, 20:28
had another mechanic check my car today and the noise is defently from the turbo
he said it sound as if the fan blades has came loose and catching the body while reving up
its defently not a normal turbo sound.
very a loud squel/whine like a chipmunk getting f**ked by a pig!lol
but no grinding sounds

could the turbo need a service or is it better just to replace it?
if i need a new turbo could a k04 turbo just fit stright on without any other mods??
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: turbokid23 on 20 July 2012, 20:44
k04 is a lot of work mate a k03s its a bolt on job
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 20 July 2012, 21:09
very a loud squel/whine like a chipmunk

You sure the DV is the right way round
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: pickles on 21 July 2012, 10:51
very a loud squel/whine like a chipmunk

You sure the DV is the right way round

DV should work either way, just louder when fitted in the opposite way i think
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 21 July 2012, 20:53
update..
cambelt fitted found the engine was a tooth out bringing up camsensor fault and engine speed sensor
job done  :wink:
checked the orignal dv was the right way and yes it is
cant really get it wrong

seen two mechanics today both looked puzzled by the noise
one said it could be a bit of plastic in the intake...dont think this is the problem cause it would have to pass the filter amd maf
then maybe the oil pickup pipe was blocked for the turbo and it was short of oil
 then the other mechanic said that the bolts come slack on the turbo or the gaskets blown and is a common fault  :undecided: :undecided:

Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 22 July 2012, 08:16
The loud chirp type noise is what happens when DV wrong way is all
glad your all sorted  :wink:
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: pickles on 22 July 2012, 09:46
The loud chirp type noise is what happens when DV wrong way is all
glad your all sorted  :wink:
lol
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 22 July 2012, 19:51
i wish it was sorted  :cry:  still got the noise and its driving me mad
checked the gaskets and there is no signs of damage
checked the bolts were tight and they are so im stuck for ideas
its like a loud squeel through the induction, no rattles or grinding noises and no smoke
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: pickles on 22 July 2012, 23:07
you got a way of uploadin a vid m8 so we can hear it
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 23 July 2012, 19:24
year ill make one tonight and put it up on youtube
ill try and put a link on here
brb
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 23 July 2012, 20:03
http://youtu.be/8pxOLmUDM_w

http://youtu.be/gSPrdQeUMJQ

 youtube title......   golf gti 180 turbo noises

hope this helps       

you can hear it right through the induction pipe
think the turbos on it way out :(
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 23 July 2012, 20:29
sounds like something is split and sucking air in somewhere to me, check everything!

Both sides of the DV, the vac pipe on top of the dv (make sure you are using 4mm ID tubing) and its tight (also what have you split the vac pipe off to takeoff to the DV)

very odd for it to still be there after changing the DV as it rules it being knackered out
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 23 July 2012, 21:10
update the puck blows both ways!!!
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 23 July 2012, 21:26
can anyone tell me the proper name for the hockey puck under the receculation valve please?
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: pickles on 23 July 2012, 22:12
its a pressure regulator valve m8.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3953540
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 24 July 2012, 20:25
its a pressure regulator valve m8.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3953540

cheers :wink: one on its way tomos from vw £37 incl vat, fingers crossed this will fix the problem
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 25 July 2012, 07:30
How much  :sick:
feck me, should have posted in the wanted loads of people dont run them now with catch cans installed.

Anyone have a puck for this guy .........
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 25 July 2012, 18:59
How much  :sick:
feck me, should have posted in the wanted loads of people dont run them now with catch cans installed.

Anyone have a puck for this guy .........

gutted never gave it a thought just rushed out to try and fix it asap

and the part doesn't solve the problem  :cry:

tryed the new puck and i can blow both ways so i fitted it and its made no difference

if i take the boost controler plug off the noise is quieter but theres no boost

so its boost related

few mechanics have checked the car and they are puzzled they gess to fit a new turbo but im not convinced  :undecided: :sick:

anyone help?
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 25 July 2012, 21:53
cars a way for a smoke test tomorrow
ill keep you in formed with the news
might get a manual water boost gauge fitted to check how its boosting  :sad:
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Wazzzer on 25 July 2012, 22:34
get the TIP off at the turbo end and see if you can wiggle the shaft about at all
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 26 July 2012, 18:35
get the TIP off at the turbo end and see if you can wiggle the shaft about at all
im not sure how to get it off?

ive had the car for a smoke test today and no leaks

time for a new turbo :(

i was told today that the AUQ engine has a ko3s turbo is this right?
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Wazzzer on 26 July 2012, 18:59
you just need to pop it off where it joins to the inlet on the turbo, best done from under the car. My guess from the noise is worn bearings which will mean your compressor wheel will move in/out and side to side. The noise is generated as it is out of balance

Yes the AUQ has a K03s
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 26 July 2012, 21:54
you just need to pop it off where it joins to the inlet on the turbo, best done from under the car. My guess from the noise is worn bearings which will mean your compressor wheel will move in/out and side to side. The noise is generated as it is out of balance

Yes the AUQ has a K03s

could i get it repaired/serviced ?

or buy a recon??
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: pickles on 27 July 2012, 09:21
upgrade time  :laugh: upgrade time :) £££
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 27 July 2012, 18:40
upgrade time  :laugh: upgrade time :) £££
ha i would if i was minted  :rolleyes:
i might have about £300 to spend if im lucky
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: jamie1989 on 27 July 2012, 18:48
Thats plenty mate,

Mine made this noise when I fitted the k03s to my AGU, Turned out the pancake pipe weren connected tidy and blew the pipe off lol Quick fix for though.

It could be soo many diff things, Just take the turbo intake pipe off and check the shaft yourself its a 5min job literally.
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 28 July 2012, 09:09
Thats plenty mate,

Mine made this noise when I fitted the k03s to my AGU, Turned out the pancake pipe weren connected tidy and blew the pipe off lol Quick fix for though.

It could be soo many diff things, Just take the turbo intake pipe off and check the shaft yourself its a 5min job literally.

i will try this and get back to you

whats the pancake pipe?
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: pickles on 28 July 2012, 10:15
Thats plenty mate,

Mine made this noise when I fitted the k03s to my AGU, Turned out the pancake pipe weren connected tidy and blew the pipe off lol Quick fix for though.

It could be soo many diff things, Just take the turbo intake pipe off and check the shaft yourself its a 5min job literally.

i will try this and get back to you

whats the pancake pipe?

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFLxrVbisuWKXhc9etbTbF5pQ9xY5rMfpmi-gqx-h81rm6DQPb

its down on the drivers side of the engine m8 on the inside of the wheel kinda, just follow the piping from the throttle body throught the intercooler and ul see it.
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 28 July 2012, 16:35
update.........

:cry: 1 bent fin
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8011/7662375386_e9d30778a5_m.jpg)

no play and spins nice, cant see any marks on the blades or the housing

ordering new k03s turbo tonight

Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Wazzzer on 28 July 2012, 17:47
not tried bending it back?

Looks like something has dropped in there IMO
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 28 July 2012, 18:49
not tried bending it back?

Looks like something has dropped in there IMO

aye the thought crossed my mind, even had the thin nose pliers in my hands but all my m8s were shaken their heads! :laugh:

im thinking maybe crankcase pipe carbon deposit has shot through to the induction and hit the blades
or my aftermarket filter has drawn a little moist water? time to give the engine an oil flush and original filter ansd housing back on i think  :embarassed:
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 28 July 2012, 19:32
Definately foreign object damage, or someone has done it when fitting a TIP at some point  I would try bending it back as Wazzer has said, especially if nothing else wrong with it, or just replace the wheel rather than the whole turbo especially as you dont normally know the history about other second hand turbo's.
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Wazzzer on 28 July 2012, 20:39
What you got to lose  :wink:
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 28 July 2012, 21:01
What you got to lose  :wink:

nowt lol but its a highly balanced unit so even if i did get it stright it might be a little bit out of balance and end up damaging the seals and bearings

could i just take the nut off slide the compressor wheel off and replace it with just the tip off???
surely some one will have an old k03s unit with bad bearings and a good compressor wheel lying about or will this not work?
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Wazzzer on 28 July 2012, 21:12
you've just contradicted your argument :wink:

if you did manage to get another wheel it won't be balanced to the exhaust wheel so you'd be in the same position. I would bend it straight as poss and see how you go, can't be any worse than it is now
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 28 July 2012, 21:18
you've just contradicted your argument :wink:

if you did manage to get another wheel it won't be balanced to the exhaust wheel so you'd be in the same position. I would bend it straight as poss and see how you go, can't be any worse than it is now

 :embarassed: dohh didn't think of that

but wont that weaken the blade and may snap off and go through the engine?

Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Wazzzer on 28 July 2012, 21:22
should be ok if you do it gently with a bit of heat
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 28 July 2012, 21:38
should be ok if you do it gently with a bit of heat

how hot would you recommend?
drive for 30 mins then try
or warm it up with a lighter for 30 seconds  :undecided:
Title: Re: HELP whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 29 July 2012, 17:41
think i may have found the cause of my bent turbo blade
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8016/7669665990_2811cb45d9.jpg

what do you think?
Title: Re: SORTED!! whine noise from induction?
Post by: Giro on 02 August 2012, 18:22
BOUGHT NEW CARTAGE FROM EBAY NKK TURBOS IN NOTTINGHAM FOR £175 BALANCED AND READY FOR FITTING