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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: DubAndDubber on 02 July 2012, 20:45
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Thought id fit my catch can today, wish i never bloody started.
At first it was going pretty well, i followed the how to guide on UKMK4'S. Thought it was quite a good one until i realised it skips 3 or 4 steps and doesnt actually tell you how to do anything. So in summary its sh!te.
I managed to snap the pipe which comes out of the oil breather housing. Not good! I realised a bodge wouldnt be good enough so i just carried on with the install with the intention of ringing TPS. In the end i found the pipe on eBay.
I'll upload a few pics so you know what im talking about, but i cant seem to get a good fit. The hoses i've fitted seem to be either to long or to short. I get a couple of kinks when i place the can in the location where i think im going to mount it too.
(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x329/Lewisb1991/ddfe1013.jpg)
(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x329/Lewisb1991/780fedb3.jpg)
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Hello mate. I'm sure you'll get it sorted, you look 99% there! :wink:
Couple of questions:
Which catch can is that?
Did it require closing off vac feeds on the inlet mani?
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that hose you're using will rot
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Hello mate. I'm sure you'll get it sorted, you look 99% there! :wink:
Couple of questions:
Which catch can is that?
Did it require closing off vac feeds on the inlet mani?
Cheap toyosports one from ebay, yeah i've blocked that off.
that hose you're using will rot
Thats exactly what i thought, was told it would be ok but it says heater hose on it! How long will it last?
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It's not gonna rot straight away but over time it will get weak and either collapse or break up
It looks to be near enough finished though mate :smiley:
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Great! So it'll hold up for a couple of months? I'll be having a remap around Oct time so ill re-do it for then.
Was onle £3 a metre!
Yeah almost there, just trying to figure out where to put the catch can. Wherever i mount it the 2 small hoses kink. Shall i shorten the hose from the Hockey puck, and the one from the Crankcase?
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Great! So it'll hold up for a couple of months? I'll be having a remap around Oct time so ill re-do it for then.
Was onle £3 a metre!
Yeah almost there, just trying to figure out where to put the catch can. Wherever i mount it the 2 small hoses kink. Shall i shorten the hose from the Hockey puck, and the one from the Crankcase?
If its the the fibre reinforced hose I can see your talking about!? I wouldnt worry too much, Ive been running it for months and months with no issues, Infact It was sold as, oil/heater hose :smiley:
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No offence looks very bodgey.
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No offence looks very bodgey.
Well instead of writing stupid unneccesary comments why dont you tell me where ive gone wrong? Which if you didnt notice is why i wrote this thread anyway..
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looks as though its pretty much there dude i also had the same pipe break well it was already broke :grin: as for the kinks its just a matter of trimming off small amounts of the pipe at a time till the crease as pulled out thats what i did if it makes sense :smiley:
ie the shorter the pipe the less chance of a kink :smiley:
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Can always rely on you for some decent advice Cully! Its just so bloody fiddly in such a tight space that makes it difficult.
The only thing thats worrying me is that the outlets on the can are at a 45 degree angle so as the hose goes on it wants to bend and kink. Would it be a better idea to put the reducers further away so the 19mm hose will be the short ones?
Where did you get the oil breather pipe from?
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would look neater if you swapped them over on catchcan
(http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac201/piebobs71/engine.jpg)
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would look neater if you swapped them over on catchcan
Thats not a bad shout buddy. Also, the little pipe that i've blocked off that you can see. Cant i just put a single hose there instead. Whats in the middle of it? Some sort of return valve?
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its the brake booster line and yeah i just put a straight bit on,its a check valve i just left it on,mine looks a bit different now as i've got my boost gauge piping and a new bracket for the can
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i got my breather pipe from dealers mate cost close on £30 think they are half that from tps there was a link on here a while back :wink:
as you can see in my pic i kept getting the kink which is now sorted may be different as i had custom 19mm fittings made
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af149/cullygti/IMAG0276.jpg)
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i had that kink problem when i first installed mine, i just bought a 90 degree bend :)
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i had that kink problem when i first installed mine, i just bought a 90 degree bend :)
its sorted now mate i wanted to use the least amount of connections as possible in theory less connections less chance of a leak :wink:
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i you have fittings to attach to on the side of your can you may be better off putting it where me and jock have as you can see how the pipe bends around tidy and do as jock said and change the ends over on catch can end to place mine where it is i used a piece of metal and bent it into an l shape and fixed to the plate under the cover using self tapping screws :smiley:
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Cheers for all your help guys, ive drew a few pictures so i think i know what to do now! Ill update you on Wednesday, i bought a breather hose on ebay, fingers crossed itll be here if not ill have to take a trip to TPS i think! Also, as you can see in my pic, the SAI pipe has snapped in two, ive put some masking tape on it for a VERY quick bodge. Would this cause any loss in boost or anything? May just bypass it at the same time if its not important.
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Cheers for all your help guys, ive drew a few pictures so i think i know what to do now! Ill update you on Wednesday, i bought a breather hose on ebay, fingers crossed itll be here if not ill have to take a trip to TPS i think! Also, as you can see in my pic, the SAI pipe has snapped in two, ive put some masking tape on it for a VERY quick bodge. Would this cause any loss in boost or anything? May just bypass it at the same time if its not important.
you wont loose boost from the SAI but it frees space in the bay if you get rid :smiley:
I'd be tempted to use 2 small pieces of tubing off the 15mm fixings, then 45 degree plastic connectors before running the main pipes to rocker and puck
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Does a kink in the pipe cause much difference at all, as I have one in mine
(http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab347/Darrenscriven/pipercross029.jpg)
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Does a kink in the pipe cause much difference at all, as I have one in mine
(http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab347/Darrenscriven/pipercross029.jpg)
For you, I would just get a 90 degree elbow for where the kink is
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For you, I would just get a 90 degree elbow for where the kink is
Thanks, I have one of them. I will do that sometime today and will say later on if it makes a difference or not to the power.
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i got my breather pipe from dealers mate cost close on £30 think they are half that from tps there was a link on here a while back :wink:
as you can see in my pic i kept getting the kink which is now sorted may be different as i had custom 19mm fittings made
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af149/cullygti/IMAG0276.jpg)
have you got an agu engine code??
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yes i have mate
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any1 got any pics of the connection to the oil filter after install by any chance
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yes i have mate
how did you do it? i see the guide but thats not for an agu is it?
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no mate i followed the aum guide and just took it from there it was easy enough tbh and not as complicated as the aum i was going to do a how to but couldnt get the camera where i wanted to take pics so didnt bother :smiley:
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ill have a look maybe someone needs to do one for an AGU lol
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you cant really go wrong its what you se in the my pic with one pipe going to the oil filter housing after you have removed all the old system :smiley:
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Might give it a go lol
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For you, I would just get a 90 degree elbow for where the kink is
Thanks, I have one of them. I will do that sometime today and will say later on if it makes a difference or not to the power.
Wont do anything to the power, itll just let it breath better
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For you, I would just get a 90 degree elbow for where the kink is
Thanks, I have one of them. I will do that sometime today and will say later on if it makes a difference or not to the power.
Wont do anything to the power, itll just let it breath better
and stops all the crap from going back through your engine :smiley:
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any1 got any pics of the connection to the oil filter after install by any chance
(http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab347/Darrenscriven/Untitled.png)
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cully where di you get all your bits from?
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ebay and my 19mm fittings were custom made by an engieering place local to me
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ah man lol i need to get a list of what parts i need to get
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For you, I would just get a 90 degree elbow for where the kink is
Thanks, I have one of them. I will do that sometime today and will say later on if it makes a difference or not to the power.
I was referring to the kink not the catch can :wink:
Wont do anything to the power, itll just let it breath better
and stops all the crap from going back through your engine :smiley:
I was referring to the kink not the catch can setup :wink:
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For you, I would just get a 90 degree elbow for where the kink is
Thanks, I have one of them. I will do that sometime today and will say later on if it makes a difference or not to the power.
I was referring to the kink not the catch can :wink:
Wont do anything to the power, itll just let it breath better
and stops all the crap from going back through your engine :smiley:
I was referring to the kink not the catch can setup :wink:
ooh ok :grin:
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Parts you need -
Ebay catch can about £25 delivered with 15mm outlet/inlet.
16mm pipe - half a meter about £6 delivered
19mm pipe - 2meters about £12 delivered
T peice (19mm) £3 delivered
19-16mm reducer £3 delivered.
The reason I had 16mm pipe is because I struggled to find 15mm pipe and 19-15mm reducer.
Thats all you need.
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jamie i think you mean catch can not intercooler dude :grin:
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Damnnn Im reading too many intercooler threads lately on here!!! :evil:
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:grin: :laugh:
its intercooler week :rolleyes:
last week was turbo week what next :laugh:
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:grin: :laugh:
its intercooler week :rolleyes:
last week was turbo week what next :laugh:
Arb?
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LOL
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:grin: :laugh:
its intercooler week :rolleyes:
last week was turbo week what next :laugh:
Arb?
Haha thats the one :grin:
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oh i feel a thread of the week coming on :grin:
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oh i feel a thread of the week coming on :grin:
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af149/cullygti/like.jpg)
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:grin: :grin:
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oh i feel a thread of the week coming on :grin:
Are you volunteering to do all the work involved in it then :laugh:
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on this forum we like to help our associates so all input will be taken seriously :grin:
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For you, I would just get a 90 degree elbow for where the kink is
Thanks, I have one of them. I will do that sometime today and will say later on if it makes a difference or not to the power.
Wont do anything to the power, itll just let it breath better
your right there, I just used a 90' elbow and sorted it, and there is no power difference.
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any1 got any pics of the connection to the oil filter after install by any chance
(http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab347/Darrenscriven/Untitled.png)
cheers, was just confused as to how the new hose attaches to the sump breather but managed to work it out, (retain 90 degree elbow as shown in http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=188473.0.
also could the original Y breather pipe be used as a T piece, got an AGU myself, gona do this soon, just need some suitable breather pipe/fittings etc
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff366/pickles1690/breatherpipe.jpg)
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cheers, was just confused as to how the new hose attaches to the sump breather but managed to work it out,
also could the original Y breather pipe be used as a T piece, got an AGU myself, gona do this soon, just need some suitable breather pipe/fittings etc
I don't know if it can or not, as I have an Aum, But, here is a link that provides everything you need except the catch can. It is what I used. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330521993834?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
That is if you have 19mm catch can ins and outs or fittings
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its just one pipe comes off the breather you then use the t piece one end goes to the can other end goes to rocker then the pipe on the right goes from your can to your hockey puck take a look at my pic its really simple :smiley:
if you dont have 19mm fittings just use reducers just before the pipe reaches the can so it will go from 19mm into 16mm reducers
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thanks again guys, so the OEM stuff is all 19mm ID am i right., kit seems a good deal.
my catch can has 15mm fittings, i was just gna buy 15mm ID pipe and use that. use reckon i wud be better sticking to 19mm and just use reducers.
oh n i want nice blue pipe :laugh:
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Yeah use as little 15mm pipe as you can with a 19mm to 15mm reducer.
I struggled to find 15mm stuff so went with 16mm instead and all working perfect.
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Yeah use as little 15mm pipe as you can with a 19mm to 15mm reducer.
I struggled to find 15mm stuff so went with 16mm instead and all working perfect.
thanks , did u mean 19mm pipe , also i dont think the sizing would matter ie wether its 15/19 pipe, or does it ?
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No I meant 15mm
The original pipework is 19mm so 95% of mine with the catch can is 19mm.
I had to use a reducer 19>16mm so I could attach the pipe to the catch can.
Your problem will be connecting 15mm to the 19mm rocker cover, hockey puck valve and oil filter housing pipe, Youl need 3 reducers there if you want all 15mm pipes. (Which will look sh!te imo)
Your better off using 19mm all round and only use reducers if you have a 15mm inlet/outlet on your catch can.
Hope that makes sence.
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No I meant 15mm
The original pipework is 19mm so 95% of mine with the catch can is 19mm.
I had to use a reducer 19>16mm so I could attach the pipe to the catch can.
Your problem will be connecting 15mm to the 19mm rocker cover, hockey puck valve and oil filter housing pipe, Youl need 3 reducers there if you want all 15mm pipes. (Which will look sh!te imo)
Your better off using 19mm all round and only use reducers if you have a 15mm inlet/outlet on your catch can.
Hope that makes sence.
it does so m8 thanks alot, 19mm pipe it shall be, is the cheap silicon stuff advisable or would i be better with some kind of EPDM/rubber material, as long as its for oil vapour etc .
oh n also, obv the half a metre of 16mm u referred to earlier, was just for attaching the catch can to the reducers, just clarifying things :)
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Yeah I used oil resistant stuff but cully got some nice blue silicone stuff and his works and looks awsome.
I will eventually buy some nice blue silicone too but need other things done first.
Yeah exactly mate, I had plenty left over too. :cool:
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cheers, was just confused as to how the new hose attaches to the sump breather but managed to work it out,
also could the original Y breather pipe be used as a T piece, got an AGU myself, gona do this soon, just need some suitable breather pipe/fittings etc
I don't know if it can or not, as I have an Aum, But, here is a link that provides everything you need except the catch can. It is what I used. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330521993834?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
That is if you have 19mm catch can ins and outs or fittings
i used this stuff too works perfect just send them a message if you want an extra elbow and they will put an extra quid on the postage and throw it in!!!
also i just got a bit of rubber hose and put it onto the inlet/outlets and tightened the 19mm pipe onto that, works perfect and looks bang on :wink:
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the coloured silicone can be quite expensive if you want it oil fuel specific i just used normal silicone hose as the ones on my car were near enough 14 year old so figured its gotta be better if it perishes in a few years then il just replace chances are the hose will probably outlast the car now :grin:
oil fuel specific
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Blue-Silicone-Hose-Fuel-Oil-1-Metre-19mm-/330578233299?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cf7ff87d3
standard silicone
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-Metre-Silicone-Straight-Long-Hose-Silicon-Rubber-Coolant-Radiator-Pipe-Water-/330651132313?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&var=&hash=item4cfc57e199
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I don't know if it can or not, as I have an Aum, But, here is a link that provides everything you need except the catch can. It is what I used. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330521993834?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
That is if you have 19mm catch can ins and outs or fittings
i used this stuff too works perfect just send them a message if you want an extra elbow and they will put an extra quid on the postage and throw it in!!!
The pipe is quite thick and sturdy isn't it. I found them to be very helpful too. I phoned them up and asked them to send the hose clips (without the holes in) and they did. Very accommodating chaps!
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i have found most of my bitn eba y
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the coloured silicone can be quite expensive if you want it oil fuel specific i just used normal silicone hose as the ones on my car were near enough 14 year old so figured its gotta be better if it perishes in a few years then il just replace chances are the hose will probably outlast the car now :grin:
oil fuel specific
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Blue-Silicone-Hose-Fuel-Oil-1-Metre-19mm-/330578233299?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cf7ff87d3
standard silicone
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-Metre-Silicone-Straight-Long-Hose-Silicon-Rubber-Coolant-Radiator-Pipe-Water-/330651132313?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&var=&hash=item4cfc57e199
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm £17.71 per metre as opposed to £7.61, i know which 1 il be gettin :laugh:
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My oil breather pipe hasnt turned up, where can i get one from today? Im not trade so cant use TPS. Is VW my only option?
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My oil breather pipe hasnt turned up, where can i get one from today? Im not trade so cant use TPS. Is VW my only option?
TPS is open to the public
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can anyone explain what the benefits of all this work is?
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removes all the old pipework which can breakdown and split over time, replaces it with new pipework and the can also stops oil vapour building in the chamber which can apparently reduce the octane rating of fuel
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the coloured silicone can be quite expensive if you want it oil fuel specific i just used normal silicone hose as the ones on my car were near enough 14 year old so figured its gotta be better if it perishes in a few years then il just replace chances are the hose will probably outlast the car now :grin:
oil fuel specific
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Blue-Silicone-Hose-Fuel-Oil-1-Metre-19mm-/330578233299?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cf7ff87d3
standard silicone
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-Metre-Silicone-Straight-Long-Hose-Silicon-Rubber-Coolant-Radiator-Pipe-Water-/330651132313?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&var=&hash=item4cfc57e199
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm £17.71 per metre as opposed to £7.61, i know which 1 il be gettin :laugh:
+1 I bet the cheaper stuff will be fine.
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It will soak up the oil vapour and the pipe will eventually collapse or split. The hoses you are replacing aren't flouro lined either which is why they split
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Bin the hockey puck , you don't need it :wink:
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some would beg to differ with that, but I don't run one and have never had any problems
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Bin the hockey puck , you don't need it :wink:
The best arguement against that is, why would vw put it there of its not needed?!
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Isnt it just a one way valve like all the others that get removed :smiley:
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Bin the hockey puck , you don't need it :wink:
The best arguement against that is, why would vw put it there of its not needed?!
i think its something do with emissions or the environment
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I dont run one either and report with no problems! :cool:
Best thing I did was bin the whole pvc system to be honest.
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I've just fitted my catch can today. Plus binned of the hockey puck. My tip came with it pre-blocked so I left it this way
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Catch can still goes into tip. Just by a breather that was blocked off. So I binned the hockey puck. Seamed like an unnecessary thing to have.
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I've just fitted my catch can today. Plus binned of the hockey puck. My tip came with it pre-blocked so I left it this way
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vent to atmosphere ftw
This is why new cars have closed systems, it's a bit naughty to vent to to atmos these days due to stricter emission rulings
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All fitted now, managed to get the engine covers back on to! Really pleased with the mod. The car gets warmer quicker and by the looks of things the MPG's better?! Cant quite work that one out but its definitely better.
Also the pipe under the inlet was split, car seems to pull a bit nicer to.
After the many cuts, swear words and cigarettes. I have to say its a mod definitely worth doing if you already haven't.
And yeah, whats the point of the puck!
Will upload some pics of my handywork tomorrow
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PS. Looking at the amount of thread views. Shouldnt this be thread of the week?
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PS. Looking at the amount of thread views. Shouldnt this be thread of the week?
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well done mate got there in the end :cool:
it cant be thread of the week as theres not enough constructive info in here :tongue:
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Dubanddubber
Can you post any pictures?