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Title: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: shaft69 on 08 June 2012, 11:19
My mate maps cars on road been doing it for years wants map mine. Got paid for maps couple  different ones now for 20vt, mainly does Scooby and EVO's. Done my mates EVO 6 some time back rr at 271hp, my mate mapped it and rr it again 357hp spits flames too. Any advantage over road mapping?? Big fish tuning road maps to done lad at work Ibiza 180hp rr it after 245hp/ 280ftlb. Anyone had road mapping done??
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: scarr89 on 08 June 2012, 11:40
What sort of roads is he doing this on? The general highway or a run way? Sounds dangerous to me if he is doing it on his own up the A34.  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: cullygti on 08 June 2012, 11:50
with a rr you know exact figures your having there and then with road map its just a guestimate until you put it on the rollers
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: shaft69 on 08 June 2012, 12:12
Usually does it on some quieter dual carriage way,  big fish tuning does his on road by his units. He has rr but pref doing them on road rr them after all set up.Each to there own way of doing it really possibly.
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 08 June 2012, 12:20
Sorry Mr Police officer - I am doing road mapping  :lipsrsealed:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: shaft69 on 08 June 2012, 12:33
 :smiley:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: barrym381 on 08 June 2012, 12:41
Sorry Mr Police officer - I am doing road mapping  :lipsrsealed:  :laugh:
thats why they ask you to drive your car when doing it  :smiley:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: dom on 08 June 2012, 12:42
I wouldn't want my car mapped on the road, doing a 3rd gear pull to the redline a few times is asking to have your licence taken off you.
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 08 June 2012, 12:46
gotta love 2nd and 3rd in a remapped car, especially when people think its ONLY a Golf  :evil:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: tshirt2k on 08 June 2012, 13:04
Cars can be mapped for driveability on the road. Which alot of people forget about. Most dyno runs are WOT to the redline. So it only shows how engine performs in that condition.

Ive done mine on the road to fine tune for cruise fuelling at different speeds and throttle positions. Also tip-in can be tweaked. Helps if someone is there with you who can monitor afrs etc.

A dyno can then be used for fine tuning and to optimise the map.
It is ultimately a safer environment for this especially for high powered Turbo cars that reach illegal speeds very quickly. Plus the conditions can be repeated on several runs where the road is constantly changing.
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: scarr89 on 08 June 2012, 13:06
gotta love 2nd and 3rd in a remapped car, especially when people think its ONLY a Golf  :evil:

Huh?

You got a ferrari engine in yours?  :huh:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 08 June 2012, 13:21
gotta love 2nd and 3rd in a remapped car, especially when people think its ONLY a Golf  :evil:

Huh?

You got a ferrari engine in yours?  :huh:

unfortunatley no, but people dont think Golfs are fast and it surprises lots of cars when you boot it in a mapped 1.8T!
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Toby on 08 June 2012, 13:28
gotta love 2nd and 3rd in a remapped car, especially when people think its ONLY a Golf  :evil:

Huh?

You got a ferrari engine in yours?  :huh:

unfortunatley no, but people dont think Golfs are fast and it surprises lots of cars when you boot it in a mapped 1.8T!


100mph in 3rd over heree  :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: scarr89 on 08 June 2012, 13:45
gotta love 2nd and 3rd in a remapped car, especially when people think its ONLY a Golf  :evil:

Huh?

You got a ferrari engine in yours?  :huh:

unfortunatley no, but people dont think Golfs are fast and it surprises lots of cars when you boot it in a mapped 1.8T!


100mph in 3rd over heree  :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :rolleyes:

I can do that as well...albeit on NFS. :laugh:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Toby on 08 June 2012, 13:47
nfs??
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Rhyso on 08 June 2012, 13:48
nfs??

Need For Speed
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: scarr89 on 08 June 2012, 13:51
nfs??

Need For Speed

This is why Rhyso is a Global Moderator and you are some chump with a golf that goes fast. Who cares!!!


 :wink: :evil: :kiss:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Toby on 08 June 2012, 13:52
 :rolleyes: dont bother me sunshine.  :undecided:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 08 June 2012, 14:03
Get to about 80 in mine and then have visions of rebuilding the block  :grin: and back off
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: scarr89 on 08 June 2012, 14:10
Get to about 80 in mine and then have visions of rebuilding the block  :grin: and back off

I don't even want to imagine it in my DERV. My limit is 5.5k!! :grin:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: barrym381 on 08 June 2012, 14:16
Get to about 80 in mine and then have visions of rebuilding the block  :grin: and back off

I don't even want to imagine it in my DERV. My limit is 5.5k!! :grin:
80 is your limit  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: cullygti on 08 June 2012, 14:17
100 in 3rd is that all  :grin:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 08 June 2012, 14:39
Get to about 80 in mine and then have visions of rebuilding the block  :grin: and back off

I don't even want to imagine it in my DERV. My limit is 5.5k!! :grin:
80 is your limit  :grin: :grin:

It is a K03.....
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: scarr89 on 08 June 2012, 14:47
Get to about 80 in mine and then have visions of rebuilding the block  :grin: and back off

I don't even want to imagine it in my DERV. My limit is 5.5k!! :grin:
80 is your limit  :grin: :grin:

It is a K03.....

Huh?  :huh:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 08 June 2012, 14:51
Get to about 80 in mine and then have visions of rebuilding the block  :grin: and back off

I don't even want to imagine it in my DERV. My limit is 5.5k!! :grin:
80 is your limit  :grin: :grin:

It is a K03.....

Huh?  :huh:

I have the smallest of all the turbo's  :cry: but not for long  :evil:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Wayne on 08 June 2012, 15:24
I wouldn't want my car mapped on the road, doing a 3rd gear pull to the redline a few times is asking to have your licence taken off you.

Agreed :smiley:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: barrym381 on 08 June 2012, 15:34
I wouldn't want my car mapped on the road, doing a 3rd gear pull to the redline a few times is asking to have your licence taken off you.

Agreed :smiley:
does this mean none of you go over the limit at anytime  :smiley:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: scarr89 on 08 June 2012, 15:40
I wouldn't want my car mapped on the road, doing a 3rd gear pull to the redline a few times is asking to have your licence taken off you.

Agreed :smiley:
does this mean none of you go over the limit at anytime  :smiley:

No one said that...How often do you do 2/3rd WOT to the redline, if at all? Even if you were on a very quiet piece of road that is still a very suspect driving habit!

I have unknowingly driving past police before at 80-90mph on the Mway and not be stopped...But red lining it is a different kettle of fish IMO.
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: shaft69 on 08 June 2012, 21:14
All I can go off are ones I've seen from road mapping and figures speak for themselves, 245hp from ko3s pretty impressive with less mods than mine. When I spoke to bigfish tuning he pref mapped road then checks power output on his rr. On seat  forum they rate him very highly. Each to there own I say.
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Chris. on 08 June 2012, 23:06
Ive seen his figures 'claims' of 245bhp, but have yet to see a graph showing the power.

Id much rather have R-tech do all my mapping on their rollers.  Even a run in 2nd would push you over the legal limit unless your on the motorway.
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: dan2252 on 09 June 2012, 00:55
i think mk4 gears a quite short tbh 4th is around 120? most cars can pretty much top out in 4th gear second is around like what between 55 and 60 which isnt that long. there too short if you ask me
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Chris. on 10 June 2012, 21:44
MIne was:

1st: 45mph
2nd: 75mph
3rd:100-110mph
4th: 130mph
5th:145mph+
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: dan2252 on 11 June 2012, 00:14
75 in 2nd? what box was you runiing? thats mega high! or was your speedo way out? haha :)
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Chris. on 11 June 2012, 07:53
ENJ. Did it with ease lol.  18" wheels if that matters
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: tshirt2k on 11 June 2012, 11:06
75 in 2nd? what box was you runiing? thats mega high! or was your speedo way out? haha :)

Its close. 1st and 2nd are a bit optimistic but that would mean  revving to over 7k to get near that. Not sure if the 1.8T runs out of puff at high revs in high gears though so may not actually get there due to aerodynamics also.

ENJ is the same as a Mk3 16v box. The 18" give it longer legs.
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Chris. on 11 June 2012, 11:54
Got a video of it somewhere.  I'll dig it out tonight
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: shaft69 on 11 June 2012, 17:32
Ive seen his figures 'claims' of 245bhp, but have yet to see a graph showing the power.

Id much rather have R-tech do all my mapping on their rollers.  Even a run in 2nd would push you over the legal limit unless your on the motorway.

He's got bigfish roller print out and has had it on awesomegti rollers made 243hp and 275ftlb there so its close.
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Chris. on 11 June 2012, 18:42
2nd -5th:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l42/carsey2006/th_14774605.jpg) (http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l42/carsey2006/?action=view&current=14774605.mp4)

1st-2nd 0-60 hitting 1st off limiter for a while:
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l42/carsey2006/th_0-60mph.jpg) (http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l42/carsey2006/?action=view&current=0-60mph.mp4)


Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: tshirt2k on 11 June 2012, 20:45
So that's exactly what my calculator said. 1st and 2nd around 5mph too much.
Is that on 225/40-18?
 Speedo possibly over reads a bit too. Good for 0-60 less gear changes. :afro:
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Chris. on 11 June 2012, 23:00
Definately shows the 45mph, 75mph speeds on the clocks.

225-40-18.
 
Probably works out a few mph over on speedo than in real life?  Still not too bad though :)
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: dan2252 on 11 June 2012, 23:08
bloody hell! haha mines ecw gear box code as ive said i can hardly hit 60 id just like them a tad bit longer,
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Chris. on 11 June 2012, 23:34
Long ratios FTW.  Great for showing people up., 90% of speeds you can just bang it in 2nd or 3rd and show people up.
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: dan2252 on 11 June 2012, 23:50
yours you can see backs off right before limiter but mine backs off like hittin a brick wall at 6k then limiter cuts in at 6500 i tend to drop it into 3rd or 4th which isnt as fun as id like to be able to go faster in all my gears. pretty sure i could hit the rev limiter in 5th if i really tried at 70 mph ( satnav speed) im running at liek 3500,3700 rpm
Title: Re: Rolling road v on road mapping??
Post by: Chris. on 12 June 2012, 00:08
Ties in with the graph :)

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l42/carsey2006/IMG_0078-1.jpg)