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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Jimmymature on 14 May 2012, 17:17
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I've just removed my map and reverted back to the standard map and....
Seriously!! Is the GTI that slow?
If you have not mapped your GTI/ED35 you don't know what you're missing.
DO IT NOW
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Why have you gone back to std?
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Mine is stock and destined to stay that way until I sell it. No mapping, no intakes, no lowering and no pimpy wheels :laugh:
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I've just removed my map and reverted back to the standard map and....
Seriously!! Is the GTI that slow?
If you have not mapped your GTI/ED35 you don't know what you're missing.
DO IT NOW
I know exactly how you feel. The standard car is still quick but I find I need to shift down a gear or two when it's running standard software. When the maps on it's pretty epic.
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Mapped car is much better, even though the gti (dsg) has a terrible wobbly power delivery from from factory and maps amplify the problems, they are basically nippy standard unless you torture the engine and a map can get rid of that gutlessness.
Most places let you try maps for free, get one and you won't regret it.
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Mapped car is much better, even though the gti (dsg) has a terrible wobbly power delivery from from factory and maps amplify the problems, they are basically nippy standard unless you torture the engine and a map can get rid of that gutlessness.
Most places let you try maps for free, get one and you won't regret it.
I've not had this wobbly power delivery that some folk seem to have been having (and I have DSG). Can you describe it a bit more?
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Why have you gone back to std?
Removed it as its going to the dealers for a Pre 3 year end of warranty check before its third birthday next month.
the second I get it back, the map is going back on.
Jim
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Mapped car is much better, even though the gti (dsg) has a terrible wobbly power delivery from from factory and maps amplify the problems, they are basically nippy standard unless you torture the engine and a map can get rid of that gutlessness.
Most places let you try maps for free, get one and you won't regret it.
Mine is DSG and ever had this problem either, it's been on a Dyno Dynamics RR and the power and torque curve is smooth. It's just as smooth after the map too.
Jim
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If I were to map, then add a cat back exhaust would it cause any issues as I was planning on doing the other way round?
Anyone in the Herts/Beds area with a mapped MK6 who fancies taking my wife out for a ride to convince her we need this doing :grin:
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Mapped car is much better, even though the gti (dsg) has a terrible wobbly power delivery from from factory and maps amplify the problems, they are basically nippy standard unless you torture the engine and a map can get rid of that gutlessness.
Most places let you try maps for free, get one and you won't regret it.
Mine is DSG and ever had this problem either, it's been on a Dyno Dynamics RR and the power and torque curve is smooth. It's just as smooth after the map too.
Jim
Sure thing, under medium/heavy throttle between 2000-3000 revs the power fluctuates.
Also after changing gear under medium/heavy throttle at anything above 2000 revs it will give you the power then take away 10% then gives it back.
It did this when standard ive tryed 3 files from superchips 2 from revo and a couple more that where ordered for me but they all did the same with varying levels of severity and it couldn't be completly mapped out. In the end Craig kept the car for a few days and wrote the best one.
My mats skoda vrs 2.0 did the same thing bar the gear change thing.
I have some power graphs some where which show it clearly apart from the gear change.
I also saw a graph on here once of a gti I think it was a stage 2 and it did the same.
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Think this is yours Will? It's someone's at any rate :laugh:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/14n34hh.jpg)
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Think this is yours Will? It's someone's at any rate :laugh:
No sir that's not mine, that one is nice actually.
If you look at 24-2500 revs that one has a little dip but nothing like mine.
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Think this is yours Will? It's someone's at any rate :laugh:
No sir that's not mine, that one is nice actually.
If you look at 24-2500 revs that one has a little dip but nothing like mine.
Wasn't sure. I do recall talking to Craig about your car when you first had it and every other word was an expletive :lipsrsealed: :laugh: :laugh:
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Lol, The car had that effect on me as well.
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MK5 GTI's for me everyday of the week :grin:
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When I returned my rocco to stock from stage 2 and took all the bits off to sell it I lasted 2 weeks before I had the stage 1 file put back on
In reality I could see why people live with them standard as its all relative, the Ed35 was great standard just lacking that mid range slug so found you had to really drive it
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i look my map off a few weeks back to try a few things out and in standard form it felt like i was driving with the handbrake stuck on.
can't believe how slow the car felt - i won't be going back to standard map. no reason too. MPG is unaffected, its not going to break anything and the car is loads better to drive and for £400 its a bargain.
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Each to there own but I didn't think there was much difference myself.
Smoother is the only reason I would do it.
The video on you tube that compares standard stage 1 and two show what I felt.
Im guessing most on here are talking revo and the torque spike would explain the feelings. As would iirc the non linear throttle setting on the revo map.
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Each to there own but I didn't think there was much difference myself.
Smoother is the only reason I would do it.
The video on you tube that compares standard stage 1 and two show what I felt.
Im guessing most on here are talking revo and the torque spike would explain the feelings. As would iirc the non linear throttle setting on the revo map.
No mate, mine is Bluefin and the difference is litteraly night and day.
I've just got back from the dealers and within 5 mins it's back on. What a difference.
Jim
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Each to there own but I didn't think there was much difference myself.
Smoother is the only reason I would do it.
The video on you tube that compares standard stage 1 and two show what I felt.
Im guessing most on here are talking revo and the torque spike would explain the feelings. As would iirc the non linear throttle setting on the revo map.
Your haven laugh here Geoff surely :grin:
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I must admit I was very tempted to go for a map when I had my MK6 after the ED30 as it felt a bit flat compared, but now I have the ED35 the urge has gone, but I have never driven a mapped car so don't know what I am missing. I think that once you have a map you would not go back and in a way I dont want to map the ED35 as I know that when I replace it with a MK7 I don't want to be gutted with a brand new car which is much slower. Just my honest opinion.
For those with mapped cars do you actually drive faster and use the extra power a lot of the time or is it that the extra torque just means that it is all a lot less effort to go the same speed and the feeling of the extra shove makes it much for fun?
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For those with mapped cars do you actually drive faster and use the extra power a lot of the time or is it that the extra torque just means that it is all a lot less effort to go the same speed and the feeling of the extra shove makes it much for fun?
For me its this :smiley: I don't deny I'll have the odd play but the fact you don't have to try very hard is quite satisfying, especially when you clearly upset someone who thinks they are higher up the chain :grin: :grin:
Overtaking and general driving are made far easier simply because you have power exactly where you need it, when you want it :cool:
A lot of feedback I get from customers is that yeah they love the power, but its all also how smooth and easy it is to drive the car :smiley: A good map is not all about power gains :wink:
As you say though, once you've driven a mapped car your next car will have to be at least equivalent to even compare to its predecessor......
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I've just removed my map and reverted back to the standard map and....
Seriously!! Is the GTI that slow?
If you have not mapped your GTI/ED35 you don't know what you're missing.
DO IT NOW
+1
the std gti is not quick enough. hell even my ed30 feels slooooow :undecided:
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every day driving is much improved with a remap.
there is much more mid range which makes overtaking safer and easier, general driving around is smoother as less gear changes required and turbo lag is non-existent pretty much on the GTI (never drive a 35 so dunno about these).
also when you do want to play around a bit the car is much happier to rev beyond 5000 which i found in a standard GTI was a waste of time - almost diesel like power range. now there is more up top as well as ALOT more mid range
when i put it back to standard i couldn't believe i used to think the car felt quick. i was wrong! IMO stage 1 map is how the car should have left the factory. just the right amount of power for the car to still be easy to drive as well as quick enough for a bit of fun
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Each to there own but I didn't think there was much difference myself.
Smoother is the only reason I would do it.
The video on you tube that compares standard stage 1 and two show what I felt.
Im guessing most on here are talking revo and the torque spike would explain the feelings. As would iirc the non linear throttle setting on the revo map.
Your haven laugh here Geoff surely :grin:
MK6 GTI standard mapping is a bit of a pig as Will said, We tried everyone elses mapping after mine thinking it was me on a bad day but no, it was the car, I just can't see where they went so wrong - maybe the MK7 will be more like the MK5 :cry:
However the GTD standard mapping is fantastic if a little lean towards the top end versus the old PD but to be fair to VW they did a great job, then I finished it :wink:
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See I have to say, I went out in my Mk6 GTI DSG tonight and accelerated flat out from 1500rpm in 3rd and 4th and there was nothing wobbly about the power delivery. Maybe you got a bad car? :undecided:
But back on topic...
For those with mapped cars do you actually drive faster and use the extra power a lot of the time or is it that the extra torque just means that it is all a lot less effort to go the same speed and the feeling of the extra shove makes it much for fun?
For me its this :smiley: I don't deny I'll have the odd play but the fact you don't have to try very hard is quite satisfying, especially when you clearly upset someone who thinks they are higher up the chain :grin: :grin:
Overtaking and general driving are made far easier simply because you have power exactly where you need it, when you want it :cool:
A lot of feedback I get from customers is that yeah they love the power, but its all also how smooth and easy it is to drive the car :smiley: A good map is not all about power gains :wink:
As you say though, once you've driven a mapped car your next car will have to be at least equivalent to even compare to its predecessor......
Hits the nail on head pretty much. I perhaps do enjoy the fact that the car is that bit quicker a bit more but the majority of my enjoyment from the remap comes from the effortless of normal quick motoring. Admittedly I do have a DSG and most people might ask what the point is but I do enjoy leaving the GTI in 6th and just cruising on the motorway at any speed.
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I think theres more than one standard map.
Mkvikens car late 2011 is different.to my early 2010 car on oem map.
Also anyone with revo revo standard map is not vw standard map its revo.
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I think theres more than one standard map.
Mkvikens car late 2011 is different.to my early 2010 car on oem map.
Also anyone with revo revo standard map is not vw standard map its revo.
I have a sneaky feeling the revo std map is slower than the std vw map
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as Rhyso said its just a whole lot easy to drive (if its decent code) than stock and in reality he extra poke is useful in terms of safer overtaking
i have always seen about 10% better consumption in normal use, needless to says it suffers should you decide to play
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Agree with Jim 100%, the GTI feels as flat as a fart with no map.
For manual cars a Sprint Booster just finishes the job, makes the car a real weapon coming out of roundabouts and on give and take roads.
It's not the extra BHP, it's the mid range that really opens up. Makes the car feel like an Old Skool 8v GTI but magnified about 10 times!!
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Yes sir that right, folks don't understand when you tell them it was 210 but now it's 230 that in the mid range it's got an extra 50hp. That's why you need a photo of the graph on your phone.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N715_Ux2Nao&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I know you are all talking midrange now
but
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Yes sir that right, folks don't understand when you tell them it was 210 but now it's 230 that in the mid range it's got an extra 50hp. That's why you need a photo of the graph on your phone.
If they don't understand feck 'em :wink:
Put up a 40-100 of your usless RWD BMW 335d if it's not aquaplaning :rolleyes: and if it's not snowing :grin:
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Yes sir that right, folks don't understand when you tell them it was 210 but now it's 230 that in the mid range it's got an extra 50hp. That's why you need a photo of the graph on your phone.
If they don't understand feck 'em :wink:
Put up a 40-100 of your usless RWD BMW 335d if it's not aquaplaning :rolleyes: and if it's not snowing :grin:
:grin: LOL @ ^^
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Yes sir that right, folks don't understand when you tell them it was 210 but now it's 230 that in the mid range it's got an extra 50hp. That's why you need a photo of the graph on your phone.
If they don't understand feck 'em :wink:
Put up a 40-100 of your usless RWD BMW 335d if it's not aquaplaning :rolleyes: and if it's not snowing :grin:
:grin: LOL @ ^^
Well you need a sence of humour when ou drive a dirty derv :grin: