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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Raffe on 06 May 2012, 18:25
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Been reading through the older threads regarding spring options and I am going to go for the H&R springs. Now having looked on Awesome's website there are what appears to be 3 height options, 20mm, 35mm and 45mm.
I am suspecting the 35mm springs would be the best all round option but curious if anyone has fitted the 45mm springs with oem shocks and how the car looks and drives?
Any feedback would be much appreciated :smiley:
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if you look a little closer only the 25-30mm springs are suitable for the GTI/GTD :wink:
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Whoops :embarassed:
Thanks for reply :smiley:
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Have a few friends who have the H&Rs. Looks nice but a bit high at the rear for my liking. I would rather save up and go the coil over route. All boils down to preference IMO.
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Definitely don't want coil overs, been there with my old Type-R.
Seen the VWR springs are popular, may look into them if the H&R don't sit correct, although this looks nice on them...
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=230560.0
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VWR springs if standard shocks or do it properly and get a bilstein b12 kit IMO
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Thanks, having read a few more archived threads this afternoon and I have now contacted VWR for some more info and confirmation of price. :smiley:
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aren't VWR springs just Eibachs with a sticker on?
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Yeah they are but apparently they're made to VWR specifications
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I've got VWR's they're pretty good. I thought they were rebranded KW's?
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Older threads on here suggested the VWR springs were KW, if they are rebranded Eibachs I am suspecting I can save a few quid :cool:
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i think they may have been KW at some point, however have a read of this.. some useful info.
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3257392
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Loads of info and confirmed as Eibachs, thanks for link :cool:
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I phoned VWR a few weeksgo and she confirmed they are eibach springs but are unique to them.
KW do 20mm springs so maybe they are similar?
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I phoned VWR a few weeksgo and she confirmed they are eibach springs but are unique to them.
KW do 20mm springs so maybe they are similar?
I would be interested to know what shocks VWR recommend in case I decide to change them in future
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Also does anyone know who makes VWR ARB's? Is it Eibach too?
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Says they're matched for standard shocks. they're updated 15% or so and should work with koni or bilstein etc updated shocks.
The problem is then its not really a tried and tested set up.
I considered a h&r cup kit or kw sport kit but not sure if these are properly tested or just 'best guessed'
Bilstein b12 kit is road and track tested properly developed for each car has a proper warranty and are the best dampers by far. If I do mine it will be for a b12 kit.
Ive looked into sway bars on various sites And found H&r, kw and VWR sway bars are all made by eibach.
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VWR confirmed springs cost at £240 :smiley:
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The problem is then its not really a tried and tested set up.
Who's aren't?
VW Racings?
I would trust a kit designed for UK roads over a generic lowering kit designed for billiard table smooth Autobahns anyday.
Every VW Racing product I've ever tried has worked faultlessly and after speaking to the lads there, the depth of knowledge is way over and above what you get at your average suspension seller.
Having changed springs/dampers or both to alternate springs/dampers or decent coilovers on most cars I've owned in the last 15 years...I'd say the VWR springs/ACC dampers is up there with the best.
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Friend of mine has H&R with ACC and he raves about it. :cool:
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VWR springs used to be KW (or even AP), it's hard to keep up with them in terms of who makes there stuff at the moment, if i was doing just springs i reckon eibrach pros, i put a set on the rocco to sell it and they were superb in terms of ride quality
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So to summarise.....
H&R - the back sits a little too high, but they perform well.
VWR - Are believed to be Eibach and perform well.
eibach - perform well.
Will see which ones I can get the best deal on as it sounds as its going to make very little difference on the drive to Tesco :grin:
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The problem is then its not really a tried and tested set up.
Who's aren't?
VW Racings?
I would trust a kit designed for UK roads over a generic lowering kit designed for billiard table smooth Autobahns anyday.
Every VW Racing product I've ever tried has worked faultlessly and after speaking to the lads there, the depth of knowledge is way over and above what you get at your average suspension seller.
Having changed springs/dampers or both to alternate springs/dampers or decent coilovers on most cars I've owned in the last 15 years...I'd say the VWR springs/ACC dampers is up there with the best.
Read my post again
I said VWR springs mated to uprated bilstein or koni etc dampers werent a tested/developed set which they aren't.
Like I said not many suspension kits are actually tested properly for each application which is what makes me only consider the b12 kit as its developed specifically for the application.
I also said in another thread if I wereto go for springs only it would be VWR springs as I wouldn't want to go more that 25mm on standard dampers but if I'm going to the trouble of doing it I'm going B12 and having done with it.
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Read my post again
I said VWR springs mated to uprated bilstein or koni etc dampers werent a tested/developed set which they aren't.
Like I said not many suspension kits are actually tested properly for each application which is what makes me only consider the b12 kit as its developed specifically for the application.
I also said in another thread if I wereto go for springs only it would be VWR springs as I wouldn't want to go more that 25mm on standard dampers but if I'm going to the trouble of doing it I'm going B12 and having done with it.
My apologies...I did pick it up wrong.
I will add this though: the best aftermarket dampers I ever used on a road car were Bilstein B8s...the worst 'matched' kit I ever tried was a Bilstein spring/damper kit for an Ibiza Cupra Sport - the springs were awful...too stiff for the sports dampers. I ended up binning them and fitting different springs.
I've also tried H&R springs (excellent) on an S3 but H&Rs coilover kit on the same car was tragic...springs too stiff for the bump/rebound damping.
In my view, springs too stiff and dampers too weak on both bump and rebound.
Personally, I'm a believer in buying dampers from damper specialists, and springs from spring specialists.
If I were replacing both springs/dampers I'd have H&R springs and Bilstein dampers top of my list.
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It seems the B12 kit you buy for a specific car has different damper settings than the off the shelf B8 dampers so they work even better with the springs they come with
They have changed their 2012 range and now have a pro kit for the GTI which they didn't before with Taylored damping different to the generic VAG B8 damper.
If I could find some decent info or reviews on the h&r cup kit I would consider that as for £500 it's good value as us the KW 20mm kit but again I can't find any info on this kit or anyone who has fitted it.
Like you said I've had 'matched' suspension kits on cars which have been crap as they just manufacturers best guesstimates and not really road tested. I'm sure the h&r cup kit would be good but for the sake of £200 extra I think the bilsteins are the best bet.
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Spurred by this discussion, I set the wheels in motion for a discounted offer for forum members. Please see here http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=231312.0 for details :afro:
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Cracking pricing with the alignment included :)
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bloody good price that. shame your miles away!
what about a deal on the cup kit including shocks and springs? (supply only)
anyone ever used the cup kit? any reviews?
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Stonking price for someone going the spings route
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RRP on the Cup kits for the MK6 GTI is £593.40
Best I can do on a supply only basis would be around the £535 mark delivered. Items that we supply and fit we can do much better deals on. Less postage costs and extra discounts on the labour that way :afro:
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OK hows about fitted? it may be worth the drive down to your place
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OK hows about fitted? it may be worth the drive down to your place
Works out at 674.95 with fitting, alignment and VAT if i've done my sums right!
currently waiting to hear back on a bilstein/eibach combo too.
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my first choice is the B12 kit but they're updating their range and making a pro kit for the GTI to replace the sport line B12 kit. also i believe they're making a non-DSG 1040kg version, which wasn't available last year.
I'm waiting for proper details to come out before i take the plunge. their catalogue isn't updated yet online
do you have any details on this kit (B12, manual transmission 1040kg front axle)?
cheers
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eibach only told me "there is no pro kit variant"
sportline kit retails at £729.99 inc VAT i believe. £800 fitted and aligned from us :cool:
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Spurred by this discussion, I set the wheels in motion for a discounted offer for forum members. Please see here http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=231312.0 for details :afro:
Sounds like a great offer, how long are you running this offer and where exactly are you based in the Midlands?
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You can find us here http://www.midlandvw.co.uk/contact_us.html
This will be an ongoing offer, or until H&R run out of stock :grin:
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I know Cannock, ride the chase occasionally with friends in Fradley, will be in touch I suspect :cool:
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I know Cannock, ride the chase occasionally with friends in Fradley, will be in touch I suspect :cool:
Like Stan Collimore? Ha ha!
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No I ride the dirt tracks on my bike... :lipsrsealed:
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I can vouch for Midland VW - seriously good guys! :cool: nice offers!
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bit the bullet today and bought the bilstein B12 sport line kit. hopefully get it in a week or so.
decided the ride is very crashy and the handling not particularly inspiring so decided i might as well have firm ride and add some good handling!
WALK, bump steer kit and B12 kit - this thing should really handle well now.
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bit the bullet today and bought the bilstein B12 sport line kit. hopefully get it in a week or so.
decided the ride is very crashy and the handling not particularly inspiring so decided i might as well have firm ride and add some good handling!
WALK, bump steer kit and B12 kit - this thing should really handle well now.
Hope you got a good deal on them mate :laugh:
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aye it wasn't bad! thanks again can't wait to get them!
will let you know if/when i want to order that WL sway bar :wink:
just bought a strut spreader tool and a m14 spline bit to do the job (i already have m6-m12 but no m14 so its annoying :angry:)
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I think I am going to bite the bullet and go for the Bilstein B12 Sportline kit same as you have, any regrets?
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no the car handles a bit better but the ride and body control is MUCH better. really impressive damping and comfort.
if anything it feels slightly softer than standard but i think its just the more plush ride.
i would recommend this kit without doubt
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Great thanks for feedback, have they lowered the car much as I am hoping to reduce the majority of the arch gap?
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its lower by about 15mm or 20mm front and back. quite subtle but looks better
these aren't the best photos but they give you an idea
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Lovely job, thanks very much :cool:
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Right ok, well I have decided and car is having a set of Eibach Sportlines fitted on the oem shocks on 18th Aug, can't afford the full stretch to the Bilstein B12 kit at the moment as we want another holiday too in Sep.
I know this isn't the optimum set up, but it should look a lot better as it sits far too high at the moment for my liking, will review once fitted.
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Look forward to seeing the outcome.
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Right ok, well I have decided and car is having a set of Eibach Sportlines fitted on the oem shocks on 18th Aug, can't afford the full stretch to the Bilstein B12 kit at the moment as we want another holiday too in Sep.
I know this isn't the optimum set up, but it should look a lot better as it sits far too high at the moment for my liking, will review once fitted.
So what's the price diff between the two kits?
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I am fitting just springs with oem shocks where as the bilstein B12 kit is the same springs but with matched Bilstein shortened shocks.
Dynamically it would be a much better package but with £500 difference this will be fine for now :cool:
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I am fitting just springs with oem shocks where as the bilstein B12 kit is the same springs but with matched Bilstein shortened shocks.
Dynamically it would be a much better package but with £500 difference this will be fine for now :cool:
Ah I see, ta for that Raffe!!
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So Eibach Sportlines have been fitted and the car now looks as it should have from the factory and ride doesnt feel as though its been compromised, very pleased :cool:
Couple of pics;
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/388171_10150988786102050_545271693_n.jpg)
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That sits really nice now! Mmm perhaps this should be next on my list?
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Looks great... :cool:
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Thanks chaps, chuffed to bits and I know the wife will be happy as the ride quality is still great.
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Loving the look fella :cool:
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looking good. fit the B8 dampers in the future if you can - you wont believe the difference they make to the ride and body control.
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any idea which dampers would be suited to VWR springs?
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theyre just rebranded eibach's and the drop to me looks the same as my sportlines so doubt there is much difference so i would say B8's again.
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theyre just rebranded eibach's and the drop to me looks the same as my sportlines so doubt there is much difference so i would say B8's again.
Cheers. Now I have to decide - shocks or ARBs. I favour ARBs as I know they make a massive difference and the main problem at the moment is body roll. Or just save the money for the house I've just bought...... :rolleyes:
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sod the house
i fitted a whiteline rear sway bar and it makes a difference. i have only tried it on soft which is about +45% i think (i did work it out but cant remember off the top of my head).
i didnt do the front yet as its a subframe out job.
personally i would spend the money on shocks first before ARB's. the ride is class on my car now.
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sod the house
i fitted a whiteline rear sway bar and it makes a difference. i have only tried it on soft which is about +45% i think (i did work it out but cant remember off the top of my head).
i didnt do the front yet as its a subframe out job.
personally i would spend the money on shocks first before ARB's. the ride is class on my car now.
I had Eibach ARBs, Weitec coilovers, S3 brakes, WALK etc etc on my A3 and the ride and handling was awesome. I also had Goodyear Eagle F1's on by then which are light years ahead of the RE050A's. I sold all of the mods as they were a couple years old and I would prefer new stuff on a new car, but I'm too tight to buy it all again. :grin: I'm pretty happy with the ride now it's just really large bumps/dips in the road which unsettle the car a bit, but by then I'd be going faster than I should anyway so it's time to slow down :wink:
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oh and the body roll, but again I have no problem reaching speeds in excess of what I should be sooooooo............... it would just feel a bit nicer to drive :grin:
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Mate, think with your head...save the money for your new house you'll be getting rid of the GTI sometime any how... :wink:
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Mate, think with your head...save the money for your new house you'll be getting rid of the GTI sometime any how... :wink:
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don't think the car will be getting much use if I start working shifts from home lol
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So Eibach Sportlines have been fitted and the car now looks as it should have from the factory and ride doesnt feel as though its been compromised, very pleased :cool:
Couple of pics;
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Hi mate, which sportline kit is that? The front 20-25mm and rear 20mm or the front 45-50 and rear 30-35 mm? Thanks! As that looks the bollocks!!
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I've got a GT TDI that's on 35mm ( maybe 40mm ) I can't remember, looks excellent at the front, a tad high at the rear, Instagram @tompassant if you want to have a look or check this, Quite low at the front but high at the rear ...
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