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General => Detailing => Topic started by: N3uR0 on 05 May 2012, 11:26
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Hey all,
Hope you can help me, I picked up my Candy White Golf Match a week ago and when I came to wash it yesterday I noticed lots of orange rust-like spots randomly around the car, I have rung up my dealer and it appears to be flash rust which apparently isn't covered by warranty. Naturally I kicked off as only having it for 1 week and they are going to take it into bodywork to try and get rid of it. They said they will clean, polish and wax it again but do you think they will get rid of it and what might of caused it as the dealer is saying that it was checked once on the PDI and then when they did a full valet before I picked it up.
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if it's brand new the dealer should be rectifying it under warranty. if they dont take pictures and get in touch with VW customer care. i dont know what flash rust is but i wouldnt of though its somthing that can be just polished out. i could be wrong though. failing that give the car back and find your next closest vw dealer and get one from there. its a new car so should be 100% right, it shouldnt have any bodywork imperfections
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Same here don't know what flash rust is, but I would be straight back to the dealer to get the bodywork sorted out....
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Well when I went back to the dealer they had a folder of all paintwork imperfections to hand, and they showed me. I think I will take pictures but I think they will say that I didn't notice it when I took delivery so it must of been something I've driven into. We'll see what they can do with it anyway, I have tried a little polish on it and it seems to make it lighter so hopefully they have stronger stuff!
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Some dealers don't want to deal with the grief...keep at them..
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Post this in the mk6 section, a couple of people had the same problem with their candy white golfs and there was a topic started about the same problem, I can't remember the out come :undecided:
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Damn! That ain't good to here, google Flash rust and it shud tell you if it's able to be polished out....
And yeah 2nd that get on to vw cust service with proof surely a week old car with rust is just plain wrong and your dealer shud be bending over backwards to help...
Hope you get it sorted!
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I tried google but could only find topics on old cars and just general rust on old bangers, nothing on this 'flash rust' on top of the paintwork, its weird, I'll get some pics up for you all to see.
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DON'T let the dealer FCUK it up. Please, please, please, do it yourself. I assume by "flash rust" you mean industrial fallout, e.g. little bits of iron that have bonded to the paintwork and started rusting
(http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/classic-motoring/BeforeClay.jpg)
You could clay the car - but the easiest option would be some Iron X
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/engine-and-exterior/carpro-iron-x-500ml/prod_726.html
(also available at other places)
Clean your car, dry it off, spray that all over - I leave it 5-10 mins, then agitate it with a microfibre - and wash it off (smells awful, make sure you wash it out of all bodywork gaps, door shuts etc)
Problem resolved. Then get a good, durable wax on there (I suggest Collinite 476) to help prevent this happening in future
Again - don't let a clueless dealer try to remove it, god knows what they would do.............
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Btw my car was covered in it, I picked it up and asked them (the dealer) not the clean the car, so it was filthy. Mild clay wouldn't even touch it. After an emergency trip to a local detailing shop, Iron X got rid of it all. Followed by Tardis and then a quick clay, all was good. I've used Iron X for a long time, it's amazing stuff
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DON'T let the dealer FCUK it up. Please, please, please, do it yourself. I assume by "flash rust" you mean industrial fallout, e.g. little bits of iron that have bonded to the paintwork and started rusting
You could clay the car - but the easiest option would be some Iron X
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/engine-and-exterior/carpro-iron-x-500ml/prod_726.html
(also available at other places)
Clean your car, dry it off, spray that all over - I leave it 5-10 mins, then agitate it with a microfibre - and wash it off (smells awful, make sure you wash it out of all bodywork gaps, door shuts etc)
Problem resolved. Then get a good, durable wax on there (I suggest Collinite 476) to help prevent this happening in future
Again - don't let a clueless dealer try to remove it, god knows what they would do.............
Thats exactly what I've got! The only problem I have is that I don't mind doing it myself but it annoys me that I have to do it, this should be covered by the dealer as thats the only place where it would of been in contact with industrial fallout (as it is placed right on an industrial estate). I have read the horror stories about dealers so I am dubious to let them do it now, but perhaps maybe having a word with their bodyshop to see if they will use Iron X might ease my mind. I guess you all don't know of any local detailing shops in lancashire do you??
This does explain how we never saw it upon collecting as it would have taken time to rust though.
Thanks for the help :)
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I used to sell new cars for a living a few years ago and we used to have problems with this, we used to call it factory fallout. My understanding of it was that it was tiny metal particles sitting on the surface of the car and often staining the car with rust rather than the cars paintwork rusting through. New cars go through such a process in the build that i would be surpirsed if it was rusting from underneath. As far as i remember, the valeters used to clay the car and glaze it and sometimes machine mop it if it was really bad.
As far as your dealer is concerned, if that is a new car, it will have an anti corrosion warranty (not sure what vw's are these days, but i would put the responsibility (and cost) on their doorstep to put right.
Rant over, good luck.
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DON'T let the dealer FCUK it up. Please, please, please, do it yourself. I assume by "flash rust" you mean industrial fallout, e.g. little bits of iron that have bonded to the paintwork and started rusting
You could clay the car - but the easiest option would be some Iron X
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/engine-and-exterior/carpro-iron-x-500ml/prod_726.html
(also available at other places)
Clean your car, dry it off, spray that all over - I leave it 5-10 mins, then agitate it with a microfibre - and wash it off (smells awful, make sure you wash it out of all bodywork gaps, door shuts etc)
Problem resolved. Then get a good, durable wax on there (I suggest Collinite 476) to help prevent this happening in future
Again - don't let a clueless dealer try to remove it, god knows what they would do.............
Thats exactly what I've got! The only problem I have is that I don't mind doing it myself but it annoys me that I have to do it, this should be covered by the dealer as thats the only place where it would of been in contact with industrial fallout (as it is placed right on an industrial estate). I have read the horror stories about dealers so I am dubious to let them do it now, but perhaps maybe having a word with their bodyshop to see if they will use Iron X might ease my mind. I guess you all don't know of any local detailing shops in lancashire do you??
This does explain how we never saw it upon collecting as it would have taken time to rust though.
Thanks for the help :)
Just see if they'll pay for the Iron X and do it yourself, seriously it's a 10 minute job and I would highly suggest doing it yourself.
It probably happened during transportation/sitting at port, like I said mine was awful (worst I'd seen for a LONG time) and that was brand new, first day I picked it up.
If you don't want to do it yourself, insist that your dealership pay for a professional detailer to do it (one of your choice).
Maybe I shouldn't think so negatively of dealerships/bodyshops .... :grin:
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Your're certainly not the first Candy White owner to get these type of spots :angry:
Previous threads here :-
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=131694.0
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=148985.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=132394.0
I hope you get is sorted ... if you live near Leeds I'd be happy to help (I've got a number of products / polishers etc :nerd: :rolleyes:)
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Here's Iron X in action, it is really this simple! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFJJhDqsUo
I should be on commission lol
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Here's Iron X in action, it is really this simple! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFJJhDqsUo
I should be on commission lol
:shocked: seems like that shud do the trick!
Hope you can get it sorted, good luck!
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this usually happens during transportation by train.. the brakes give of ferrous particles that get embedded in the paintwork due to being all hot and nasty!
iron-x does the trick
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Ahh so it's not under the paint.
Another thumbs up for Iron X but here is a slightly cheaper alternative:
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/wheels-and-tyres/wolf-39-s-chemicals-deironizer-v3-brake-duster-/prod_899.html
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Thanks for all the help guys, have purchased some Iron X and some fine clay/lube for a full decontamination!
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Thanks for all the help guys, have purchased some Iron X and some fine clay/lube for a full decontamination!
:cool: post pics up afterwards...
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Well after 3 hours of hard graft, I have got rid of all the industrial fallout off the car, I was amazed at how much there was all over the car!, I used Iron X everywhere, and after going over the car with a MF to agitate took it right off and I still have 1/3 of a bottle which should last me. (I might of got a bit spray crazy!)
After that I had my first experience at claying, which went well, but to be honest the Iron X got rid of most the gunk on there and there wasn't much on the clay. Then I Polished, Sealed & Waxed and here is the result!
Sorry for the quality, doesn't really show my handy work!
(http://i50.tinypic.com/20uuxar.jpg)
Here's a nice reflecting shot of the roof.
(http://i49.tinypic.com/30dbjnt.jpg)
Oops its upside down!
(http://i50.tinypic.com/fwknx0.jpg)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2mpesll.jpg)
What do you guys think?
Now as I type this it has just started to rain! :angry:
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I have a candy white GTI and am fanatical about keeping this fallout off the car. It is very hard to keep on top of but to make it easier I would advise a good 3 or 4 coats of decent wax (after you have polished it thouroughly) and to keep on top of it between polishes snow foam really helps loosen all these little specks during washing the car.
It's a pain to set up every time but a decent soak with snow foam every 3 washes seems to work well on my car.
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Well I have used MEg's Gold Class liquid wax, is this enough to help with fallout, I have only put 1 coat of it on though, might go out now and re-apply more! lol
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That's what I used the first time I waxed mine as I had some left I wanted to use up
It's not bad but it didn't seem to last long at all.
Last time i did it I used autoglym SRP, 2 coats of megs tech wax which is synthetic and meant to last better then 3 or 4 coats of poor boys nattys paste which is very good
The dirt literally slide off the car now.
If your car is clean I would say its worth a couple more quick coats of gold class. You will notice a difference the more coats you apply.
Also I bought megs quick wax spray as an 'in between wax' and it's crap so dot waste your money on that.
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Well I think I need to invest in a hard wax to protect it better, any recommended waxes for the candy whites?
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Poorboys diamond white glaze and Nattys wax paste is what I'm using at the minute. Really good stuff.
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It's a pain to set up every time but a decent soak with snow foam every 3 washes seems to work well on my car.
Unfortunately, snow foam not an option for me; hosepipe ban prevents this! :angry:
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Well after 3 hours of hard graft, I have got rid of all the industrial fallout off the car, I was amazed at how much there was all over the car!, I used Iron X everywhere, and after going over the car with a MF to agitate took it right off and I still have 1/3 of a bottle which should last me. (I might of got a bit spray crazy!)
After that I had my first experience at claying, which went well, but to be honest the Iron X got rid of most the gunk on there and there wasn't much on the clay. Then I Polished, Sealed & Waxed and here is the result!
Sorry for the quality, doesn't really show my handy work!
(http://i50.tinypic.com/20uuxar.jpg)
Here's a nice reflecting shot of the roof.
(http://i49.tinypic.com/30dbjnt.jpg)
Oops its upside down!
(http://i50.tinypic.com/fwknx0.jpg)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2mpesll.jpg)
What do you guys think?
Now as I type this it has just started to rain! :angry:
Glad you got it sorted, it looks good...nice job!
I have a candy white GTI and am fanatical about keeping this fallout off the car. It is very hard to keep on top of but to make it easier I would advise a good 3 or 4 coats of decent wax (after you have polished it thouroughly) and to keep on top of it between polishes snow foam really helps loosen all these little specks during washing the car.
It's a pain to set up every time but a decent soak with snow foam every 3 washes seems to work well on my car.
Yeh snow foam is excellent, messy but loads of fun....
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good result there :afro:
shame the dealers cant be abit more helpful with these things though, there will be people out there not knowing these tricks which is a big shame.
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thats some excellent reflection there in the 2nd shot
its hard to get that on a white car!
thats the thing that annoys me about my white car - its either really clean or dirty. waxing and polishing doesn't really add any depth etc to the paint either unlike a dark car.
white is great for hiding swirl marks and imperfections though
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Well I think I need to invest in a hard wax to protect it better, any recommended waxes for the candy whites?
I use Gtechniq C2 on my wife's white Megane .. its' excellent at stopping UV light getting through which can fade white paint.
http://gtechniq.com/shop/3s-for-cars/exterior-coatings/c2-liquid-crystal-auto/
2 year old :-
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/Jerry_G/Img_2163b.jpg)
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Thats a tidy looking motor...
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Had this on my CW Mk6 too when I picked it up, just spent today claying for the first time and am astounded by how good it made the paint feel, literally like silky smooth glass.
I honestly thought it was OCD car cleaning hype but it really is as good as everyone says and have now applied some AG SRP and the High gloss AG wax too paint looks fab :cool:
These types of thread are invaluable as I thought a body shop trip was required tbh, thanks all :smiley:
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Agreed! Definatley worth having some clay in the kit bag! :cool: