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General => The garage => Topic started by: nolandubholmes on 27 April 2012, 07:32
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I've seen a couple of threads on here about questions for MOT any questions u have I will answer the best I can with a pic of the online manual to back up my info pls allow me time to upload my pics at night I've been a dubber and a tester for 10 years plus now and I'm a MOT manager of Gilbeys autos in st Anne's any questions feel free to ask
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Hi mate, do chassis notchs past if correctll welded?
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yeah aslong as the notch is fully seam welded and not over the top if it's ott they can fail it on being deliberately modified to the point it weakens the vehicles structure but seam welded and underseaed it will be fine make sure they do a good job
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Cheers buddy!
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Mk4... exhaust bracket from middle section broken = fail?
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Nope as Long as the exhaust system is adequately supported ie likely to fall off !!! Any tester that do fail them are bad testers !!!
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Okie doke, I'm saving for a Milltek system but MOT is due before I'll have funds ready, exhaust is secure with no leaks at present.
Cheers.
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Mk4... exhaust bracket from middle section broken = fail?
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Nope as Long as the exhaust system is adequately supported ie likely to fall off !!! Any tester that do fail them are bad testers !!!
Mine failed as I my bracket was broken...The MOT tester just jubilee clipped it to the bracket and just told me afterwards.
Seems to me that is a lot of disparity between MOT testers nolandub!
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Hids? Complete fail?
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It's all due to alot of changes that happen in the manual one minute it's a fail the next it's not it did used to be an exhaust rubber or hanger missing or broken that was a fail then then changed it to an exhaust system not adequately supported hence likely to fall off the MOT is black and white it's up to the tester to keep ontop of his knowledge of the manual if he dosent then he shouldn't be an NT I'm a QC and MOT manager and i always make sure I keep my knowledge of the book up as to be the best tester I can I sound like a twit tester but i simple try and keep as good at my job as I can
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If ur hids have a pattern then they are not a fail it's all to do with beam image and pattern and kick off search google for not beam image that will explain
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If ur hids have a pattern then they are not a fail it's all to do with beam image and pattern and kick off search google for not beam image that will explain
What about self levelers and washer jets?
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If a headlamp level switch is fitted it must be set to zero but all headlamps are adjustable to a point and u have to have washer jets or a washer jet aslong as it provides enough liquid to clean the screen unless ur vehicle was built originally without a windscreen then u don't but that's rare ha
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DPF delete pipe
Pass or fail?
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DPF delete pipe
Pass or fail?
Advisory - Car is modified
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DPF delete pipe
Pass or fail?
Advisory - Car is modified
:grin:
Happy days........ :evil:
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DPF delete pipe
Pass or fail?
Advisory - Car is modified
:grin:
Happy days........ :evil:
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That's a grey area now due to I pass them but a vosa official near me failed one due to another change stating a new rfr in the holy manual saying a cat missing that was fitted as standard !! It's a dpf as far as I'm concerned if it passes its emissions I'm happy !
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That's a grey area now due to I pass them but a vosa official near me failed one due to another change stating a new rfr in the holy manual saying a cat missing that was fitted as standard !! It's a dpf as far as I'm concerned if it passes its emissions I'm happy !
Urm I thought diesels weren't tested on emissions? Only a smoke test....my MK4 never had an emissions test done and neither has my Audi
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That's a grey area now due to I pass them but a vosa official near me failed one due to another change stating a new rfr in the holy manual saying a cat missing that was fitted as standard !! It's a dpf as far as I'm concerned if it passes its emissions I'm happy !
Urm I thought diesels weren't tested on emissions? Only a smoke test....my MK4 never had an emissions test done and neither has my Audi
not just me then, :undecided:
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That's a grey area now due to I pass them but a vosa official near me failed one due to another change stating a new rfr in the holy manual saying a cat missing that was fitted as standard !! It's a dpf as far as I'm concerned if it passes its emissions I'm happy !
Urm I thought diesels weren't tested on emissions? Only a smoke test....my MK4 never had an emissions test done and neither has my Audi
not just me then, :undecided:
Oh and the Audi was done at Cardiff Audi too and not some back street garage
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A smoke test is the diesel emissions test I'm
Not saying I'd fail a car that's had it's dpf removed I'm just there's a new RFR that says a cat that was fitted as standard is missing il double check that it dosent just apply to petrol cars and were no backstreet garage
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A smoke test is the diesel emissions test I'm
Not saying I'd fail a car that's had it's dpf removed I'm just there's a new RFR that says a cat that was fitted as standard is missing il double check that it dosent just apply to petrol cars and were no backstreet garage
Is a DPF classed as a CAT?
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I don't know that's the question i don't think it will be I'm going to check if the cat missing rule is for petrol vehicles only
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http://mottesters.co.uk/files/special%20notices/MOT%20Inspection%20Manual.pdf
Section 7.1 page 1 exhaust systems it states a cat missing that was fitted as standard is a fail now do we class dpfs as a cat I don't know all I'm saying is I certainly wouldn't fail a car with its dpf removed aslong as it went through its emissions but if vosa decide to test your car and spot it they possibly could
Just to note this is the current up to date manual anything with a bold black line next to it is something that's been added or changed recenyl
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http://mottesters.co.uk/files/special%20notices/MOT%20Inspection%20Manual.pdf
Section 7.1 page 1 exhaust systems it states a cat missing that was fitted as standard is a fail now do we class dpfs as a cat I don't know all I'm saying is I certainly wouldn't fail a car with its dpf removed aslong as it went through its emissions but if vosa decide to test your car and spot it they possibly could
Just to note this is the current up to date manual anything with a bold black line next to it is something that's been added or changed recenyl
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Think I'll be placing a call to VOSA to clarify as I don't want to be forking out money on a DPF delete pipe only for me to fail my MOT.......
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http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/contactus/contactus.htm
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Rhys, how difficult is it to change over? i.e. and cover your ears nolandubholmes change it back to standard beore the mot.
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Just bloody remove it it like u said its a dpf not a cat some diesels do have cats a dpf is different therefore there is no RFR saying a dpf removed that's fitted as standard and lads u can do that remove them when u want all the tester wants to see is it at time of test like I say I wouldn't fail
It I think it's pathetic if I'm honest
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Rhys, how difficult is it to change over? i.e. and cover your ears nolandubholmes change it back to standard beore the mot.
Very. You have 4 sensors; two pre-DPF and two post; all of which remain in place and are very sensitive to being moved about :sad:
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Just bloody remove it it like u said its a dpf not a cat some diesels do have cats a dpf is different therefore there is no RFR saying a dpf removed that's fitted as standard and lads u can do that remove them when u want all the tester wants to see is it at time of test like I say I wouldn't fail
It I think it's pathetic if I'm honest
is that the official line as an MOT manager, tester and QC Checker or just yours off the record. :huh:
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I as a mot manager QC tester NT and dubbed would happily pass a car with its dpf removed and until they bring in a fail criteria of a dpf removed that was fitted as standard Id say it's passible
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but you have already posted
That's a grey area now due to I pass them but a vosa official near me failed one due to another change stating a new rfr in the holy manual saying a cat missing that was fitted as standard !! It's a dpf as far as I'm concerned if it passes its emissions I'm happy !
so they have already been failed.
by a VOSA official, which to me is a higher authority than you as they set the rules do they not :undecided: :huh:
someone reads you post, then spanks a fortune doing a DPF delete then it fails the mot ...................................
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yes he failed a diesel scirocco for having a full stainless it was mapped to death but he was more pissed off about the ecssesive smoke but one of the rfrs was cat removed now this is the thing yes vosas is higher but it's very rare that they will test your car they've either got to be doing roadside tests which they do or a site assessment check the guy that got done for it didn't need a test but drove round everywhere like a dick so vosa and the police got involved so I'd say uve got a super slim chance of vosa checking ur car
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@Rhys whats the gains for putting on this part, is it worth the hassle?
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After a visit from vosa today (site inspection) I asked the question is a dpf removed a pass or a fail he said it is a pass and advise it is not a cat therefore can't be failed under the cat missing rule he then said it will eventually go on but not to expect it anytime soon it with the MOT scheme as a whole has recently changed hands contract wise from Siemens to atoz and they want to shake the whole thing up even more with the prospect of a Europe wide recognized test basically it's aload of graduate engineers having a cake and arse party not knowing what the hell there doing so get those dpf removed all u want just a little point the CAT missing rule took then 10 years to put in so u can see how fast they work ha
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Here's my answer from VOSA
From an MOT perspective a compression ignition (diesel) engine must meet
the specific emission limits as prescribed in the Private Passenger and
Light Commercial Vehicle Inspection Manual (IM). Particulate filters are
not part of the MOT. However, particulate filters are, as their name
implies, fitted to filter out particulates (soot) in the exhaust gases and
as a method to meet current emission requirements. It is possible that
removing the particulate filter may affect engine performance and it's
ability to meet the relevant emission requirements.
However any body removing an emissions component should consider that the
vehicle may have been type approved to certain level which includes the DPF
and that it's removal could contravene.
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a diesel scirocco doesnt have a cat as well.. it has a dpf same for all the vw range in cars they have a dpf or cat, they still run clean with them off, if you try and do a normal smoke test on a car with a dpf most of the time it wont even pick up youve reved it as they put that little emissions out
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Yeah we no diesel Rocco doesn't have a cat nobody said it has the vosa tester that failed the cat for being missing was working on his instinct and best of his knowledge plus they wanted to get this guy anyway as he was a complete length and drove round everywhere like an absolute dongo giving us vw fans a bad rep he's met his maker anyway as he smashed it up last night showing off oh dear :/
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Special Notice for testers from VOSA.
"Clarification that the test for a catalytic converter only applies to petrol vehicles..." - at the bottom of page 2.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Special%20Notice%203-12.pdf (http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Special%20Notice%203-12.pdf)
Plus the bedding in period for the new rules has been extended to "Summer".
Plus the airbag light no longer needs to illuminate.
Plus FIA harnesses now pass.
Plus a clarification of standards that apply to modified vehicles such as rally cars. (It doesn't say what that clarification is).
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How much can you legally strip from a car before it becomes a fail?
Carpets..? Rear Seats..? Roof Liner..? A,B and C pillar cover..?
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Mine went through with a dashboard 2 bucket seats and harnesses, but depends on tester I should think. Also my driver seat still slides
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U can have one seat and a steering wheel no dash just clocks and the correct tell tale lights remember group n rally cars are MOTd and alot of them are mega stripped out