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General => General discussion => Topic started by: golf-sib on 23 April 2012, 14:43
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Would it be legal to push a pit bike with no plates/regs, insurance or mot on the pavement with the engine off of course.
I only need to push it 3miles to my parents and cannot find anything online except to do with us law.
I can't see the harm in it but want to double check, thanks in advance.
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Chuck it in the back of your golf. I got an old 125 Honda in the back on my mk3
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Won't fit in the golf, I borrowed a mates corsa with the biggest halfruads trailer for free and it was a foot too small, bikes a bigger thing than I imagined about 6ft long watercooled. I live 15miles away but my old man has more gear and space to work on it and more knowledge on bikes so it seems sensible to take it to his especially when its 3miles away from him.
Wouldn't mind pushing it I'd its legal, I struggled with MTBs in golf let alone this lardy bike :grin:
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No.
Public highway, in charge of a motor vehicle etc...
Pit bikes especially as they are not road legal (unless you can show me otherwise)
You must have MOT and minimum 3rd Party insurance , etc..
BUT, what are the chances of Daz Poliz being there?
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Pffft, just do it. I wouldn't worry about pushing a bike for a short way. You care too much!
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No.
Public highway, in charge of a motor vehicle etc...
Pit bikes especially as they are not road legal (unless you can show me otherwise)
You must have MOT and minimum 3rd Party insurance , etc..
BUT, what are the chances of Daz Poliz being there?
What if there's no fuel, no oil and no means of starting it up as its already been drained? Surely there's no intention of it being used and then its technically not a vehicle as it becomes no different than an old persons trolley bag or a pram?
Just see on yahoo answer from 4 years ago:
uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080101081952AAS21YL
But your the lawyer, I'm in met police territory so the odds of see one of the 50k police officers is likely especially in day light when they are bored
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No.
Public highway, in charge of a motor vehicle etc...
Pit bikes especially as they are not road legal (unless you can show me otherwise)
You must have MOT and minimum 3rd Party insurance , etc..
BUT, what are the chances of Daz Poliz being there?
Its perfectly legal to push a motorbike on a pavement as long as the engine is off. It doesn't matter about the fact it has no insurance, mot etc.
Only becomes an offense if the engine is on or its left unattended. Just make sure you actually push it and not sit and free wheel it. :smiley:
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There used to be an old wives tale that if you removed the spark plug from a scrambler, you could get away with such an action. This is wrong.
Regardless of it's condition, you will be deemed to bit in control of (charge of) a motor vehicle on the Public Highway (that includes the pavement)
Being a pit bike, you'd be in even sticker territory as they are not designed for, not classed for, on road use.
You'd have to bend over and take it twice, if caught.
But it's only 3 miles. :wink:
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Its perfectly legal to push a motorbike on a pavement as long as the engine is off. It doesn't matter about the fact it has no insurance, mot etc.
Only becomes an offense if the engine is on or its left unattended. Just make sure you actually push it and not sit and free wheel it. :smiley:
This is incorrect.
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The biggest risk is that you'll look at right pikey.
Do you want that?
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The biggest risk is that you'll look at right pikey.
Do you want that?
Does that mean I need to wear a Burberry hat?
The irony is, is the bike belongs to a court manager currently till I pick it up.
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what the hell pit bike is 6 foot long :huh:
sounds like you have a proper crosser.
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what the hell pit bike is 6 foot long :huh:
sounds like you have a proper crosser.
Crosser, pit bike all the same in my vocabulary
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what the hell pit bike is 6 foot long :huh:
sounds like you have a proper crosser.
Crosser, pit bike all the same in my vocabulary
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Phone your local traffic unit and get the answer from the horses mouth. I still don't think there will be any problems. I stand corrected if I am though.
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When I had a MX bike I used to push it here there and everywhere and did get stopped once. I simply explained that I thought I was doing the correct thing by pushing it on the pavement to my friends farm so I could ride it on his land. It was explained to me that It was illegal but let me off with a 'just be carefull'. I doubt that you will have any real problems even if you do get stopped, simply explain your situation and point out that you have tried various different ways due to been unsure on the legality etc.
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The guy you buying it off must have had a way of transporting it? Could he not transport it for a few beer tokens
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I'm with Sam.. Plead ignorance and be nice :D
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The guy you buying it off must have had a way of transporting it? Could he not transport it for a few beer tokens
The previous owner moved to new Zealand, he left it at his parents house and he is cool to give it away when his mum offered it to me. He use to put it in his transit.
Sadly I dont know anyone with a big enough van and the people I do use it as a shed to lug their trade tools around, it seems so pointless to hire a van for 3miles.
Will ring the local station and see if they know but bexleyheath police station are not sharp tools plus the SE traffic team is not based there.
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think it depends on he police officer as i used to push my bike to the track and was curious so confronted the officer and asked him if i was to push it with engine off etc would i be ok and he said yes as long as im not riding it on a public highway etc as they can see you aint taking the piss
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You could have walked it to your dads 50 times by now, just do it!
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Sigh
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It will have to wait till the weekend for me to get it due to my shifts at work :sad:
Tempted to chance it in all fairness, I just can't see how its different to a pram or a bicycle (push bike) in terms of being on the pavement when it can't run, maybe I should glue some push bike peddles onto the sides and claim it is a push bike :undecided:
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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like this :laugh:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flite-Moto-X-200-6-speed-Cycle/dp/B003DZ15BW
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like this :laugh:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flite-Moto-X-200-6-speed-Cycle/dp/B003DZ15BW
:grin: :grin: :grin: I'll have to print that off and carry it with me to explain its the same thing to mr plod!
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:laugh: tell them it was what you ordered just came back different :laugh:
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Person I got mine off had one of his taken off him and it's half a mile to his house. Admittedly he only pushed it as it's a 60MPH dangerous road so he pushed it along the woods next to the road.
They took it.
Probably because LOADS of kids ride them round illegally in that stretch of woods but still. That's in Bexley, just off North Cray road, something lane, forget the name now.
Just letting you know. :smiley:
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Person I got mine off had one of his taken off him and it's half a mile to his house. Admittedly he only pushed it as it's a 60MPH dangerous road so he pushed it along the woods next to the road.
They took it.
Probably because LOADS of kids ride them round illegally in that stretch of woods but still. That's in Bexley, just off North Cray road, something lane, forget the name now.
Just letting you know. :smiley:
Shame, thats round the corner as well... Well a man with a van is £35 which seems f-all in comparison to getting a bike impounded or a fine.
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I would be pretty surprised if an office actually confiscated it if you were handling it properly, as in no fuel, no oil and no spark plug. At least you're pushing the bike rather than riding it, surely the officer should appreciate the fact you're a decent bloke and trying your best to minimize risk and avoiding being on the wrong side of the law. It'd be a different story if you were riding it trying to get away with it.
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Take the fuel tank off trap it to the seat no arguments the Bike is a non runner!
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Not being funny but living round there, there is ALWAYS kids on bikes racing round streets and parks. Probably now on my nicked one! :rolleyes:
That's why the Police are anal on them. Was a massive scheme a while back where they crushed loads of em publically.
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No.
Public highway, in charge of a motor vehicle etc...
Pit bikes especially as they are not road legal (unless you can show me otherwise)
You must have MOT and minimum 3rd Party insurance , etc..
BUT, what are the chances of Daz Poliz being there?
What aload of rubbish, of cause you can push motorbike from one place to another.
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but you just know after about 200 mtrs pushing it is going to seem like a right ballache when there is a perfectly servicable engine capable of doing the pushing for you
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ride it all the way there and if the cops come, open her up and f**k off over some grass somewhere haha
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Just man up and push it!
Even if the 1 in a million chance you do get stopped there just going to say don't do it again, if it really is an offence!
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A little prezzie for everyone on this thread who has said just push it...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7zZ7hOSxWPs/SYezAudcXEI/AAAAAAAAABQ/-bTVx-oAiX8/s400/bang+head+here.bmp)
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A little prezzie for everyone on this thread who has said just push it...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7zZ7hOSxWPs/SYezAudcXEI/AAAAAAAAABQ/-bTVx-oAiX8/s400/bang+head+here.bmp)
I didn't read step one, my screen now has a massive crack in it. Thanks.
:grin:
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A little prezzie for everyone on this thread who has said just push it...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7zZ7hOSxWPs/SYezAudcXEI/AAAAAAAAABQ/-bTVx-oAiX8/s400/bang+head+here.bmp)
I hope OP has pushed or is going to push it before I may follow these instrcutions!
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As used by Soundillusion.
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Elvi, would you be so good as to change your sig pic. It's causing havoc with my desire to to something productive today.
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No.
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More to the point, who is she?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBdWGD8F3Oo
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:afro:
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Contacted the met with this and got this as a reply: :wink:
Enquiry: Hi,
I have just purchased a crosser bike (125cc motorbike), these bikes have
no MOT or Registration and are used offroad/private land. The person I
have bought the bike lives in Eltham and my address is Welling (3miles
apart - 40min walk).
I have drained all fuel and oil off the bike and it has no MOT,
insurance or registration (as it is for private use) since theres only
3miles of traveling distance I was wondering whether legally I would be
allowed to push the bike on the pavement? There is no means to turn on
the bike or get it started, so in theory it is no different than a pram,
however I want to be certain whether this is legal or not to do so
rather than do it freely and find myself breaking a law on some ground
and either be issued with a fine, ending up in a court or having the
vehicle impounded.
Hope you can help me clarify whether this can be done lawfully or not.
Kind regards
Alex
The reply:
Alex
Thank you for your recent email enquiry.
Yes it is ok for you to push your bike on the pavement providing you
don't start it or ride it. However as you say you have drained it of
fluids and it will not start.
If I can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact
me
Falconwood and Welling/East Wickham SNT
I will be pushing it home this weekend! :afro:
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Chances are if you hadn't enquired most cops would not have bothered with the paperwork about it unless you got in their face if you questioned their motives...
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I knew I was right! At least you have the peace of mind now :smiley:
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Chances are if you hadn't enquired most cops would not have bothered with the paperwork about it unless you got in their face if you questioned their motives...
Depends on the officer from my experience with working with them. If you got a jobsworth then they will find a flaw even with no abuse, being sensible, polite and honest - kent police come to mind here :grin: :grin: :grin:
I knew I was right! At least you have the peace of mind now :smiley:
Peace of mind definitely, I weren't planning to pick up till this weekend anyway from when I posted the question due to working hours. But it saves me a lot of hassle, the PC was kind enough to give me all he's details as well when he responded to the question.
I'm glad I can do this safely as I really didn't want to end up at work after this fiasco, ringing work saying "yeah I'm at work, just at a different court this time" :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I would push it yeah its a public highway but your not riding it so I dont see a problem im sure you could stop it in time if an old lady pulls out infront of you :laugh:
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Bad news, just got a text 30min ago, called the lady, bikes been stolen and reported. Chain around it was broken, all the body parts torn off and thrown on the floor but rest of it was taken even though it was drained and tires deflated.
It's on a main road and in daylight that this occurred, the police said they would check CCTV as the shops across the road have it, but whether they will get anywhere is another question.
Annoyed but its out of my control
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A little prezzie for everyone on this thread who has said just push it...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7zZ7hOSxWPs/SYezAudcXEI/AAAAAAAAABQ/-bTVx-oAiX8/s400/bang+head+here.bmp)
Once again people, feel free to use this :grin:
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Rubbish man. We had 2 trailies nicked out the garage a few years back. Took them 3 attempts mind you as we kept beefing up the security.
You've not handed any monies over yet I take it?
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question is, did they push them away :huh:
:grin:
oh so we can lock this now then yes :kiss:
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Not yet, I enjoy the humor :grin: :grin: :grin:
Plus I'm in two minds whether the bike was stolen or whether they sold it to someone else or changed their minds due to the inconclusive story...
Ah well I will never know :rolleyes:
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No.
Public highway, in charge of a motor vehicle etc...
Pit bikes especially as they are not road legal (unless you can show me otherwise)
You must have MOT and minimum 3rd Party insurance , etc..
BUT, what are the chances of Daz Poliz being there?
Its perfectly legal to push a motorbike on a pavement as long as the engine is off. It doesn't matter about the fact it has no insurance, mot etc.
Only becomes an offense if the engine is on or its left unattended. Just make sure you actually push it and not sit and free wheel it. :smiley:
This is wrong, in charge of a motor vehicle means anything with a motor, running or not, if you watch all those police programmes on tv you'll see that people do actually get done for it, only way would be to remove the engine, stick it in a box and strap it to the seat, same as if your caught pushing a car or bike while drunk you'll get a drink driving conviction.