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Title: I presume something is missing here? - update - looking for water pipe.
Post by: scottishpedro on 22 April 2012, 16:30
Hi all

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/PRGoudie/DSC00541.jpg)

Was just check my oil and coolant levels and noticed an unplugged hole in the top of the gearbox, I am unsure how long it has been like this but it was a surprise to me!

Is this what I need to replace it?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220981508450?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Thanks

Pedro
Title: Re: I presume something is missing here?
Post by: Gti_Jamo on 22 April 2012, 16:37
No thats the end cap for the gear box. What you need is a flywheel bung. You will get it cheap from the dealers if needs be.
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Post by: X4MGS on 22 April 2012, 16:54
Yeah a Green Plug...
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Post by: beechymonza on 22 April 2012, 16:57
Does it need 2 be in there, Cause mine has been missing 4 years
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Post by: X4MGS on 22 April 2012, 17:12
Does it need 2 be in there, Cause mine has been missing 4 years

If VW put one there - it was for a reason!!
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Post by: clipperjay on 22 April 2012, 17:13
Yep to keep muck out from hitting the flywheel just dont put gear box oil down it  :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 22 April 2012, 17:17
Unless you're regularly throwing crud into your engine bay, from the top it does nothing.  I wouldn't bother replacing it.
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Post by: X4MGS on 22 April 2012, 17:18
I would pop one in - if its a couple of quid - cheaper than having to have a gearbox fixed....
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Post by: clipperjay on 22 April 2012, 17:50
I would be more worried about the water pipe than a plastic bung  :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: Diamond Hell on 23 April 2012, 10:04
I would be more worried about the water pipe than a plastic bung  :lipsrsealed:

Agreed - the metal one.
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Post by: Mr Blue on 23 April 2012, 14:03
I would not pay for one put it that way.
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Post by: Wayne on 24 April 2012, 00:03
Not really needed tbh, the water pipe however :shocked:
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Post by: speedycoolboy on 24 April 2012, 08:30
This is the part(s) for the gearbox

http://www.vwheritage.com/vw_spares_Gearbox-inspection-cap-fits-into-plug-Golf-1-6-1-8-manual_act_shop.product_pID_55948838_lang_EN_country_GB.htm?crumbPageToLoad=2

http://www.vwheritage.com/vw_spares_Gearbox-inspection-plug-requires-cap-Golf-1-6-1-8-manual_act_shop.product_pID_55948218_lang_EN_country_GB.htm?crumbPageToLoad=1


but its expensive on that website so have a look around if you really want it cover the hole.
Title: Re: I presume something is missing here? - hole plugged but car won't start!
Post by: scottishpedro on 04 May 2012, 22:03
Hi again

Well I thought I'd check with vw to see if hey had the gearbox inspection plug and they ordered me one in (£7) which I collected today.  I attempted to fit it, but I gave up after 5 mins as it's too tight.  This could be due to corrosion of the inspection hole threads, I'm not sure but either way not a big deal.

I last drove the car from work on Wednesday and all was fine.  Today it would not start.  There seems to be battery power (lights etc work) but no turnover at all.  There is a humming noise (fuel pump?) and 3 dash lights come on when I turn the key, but nothing else?

Any suggestions?  Surely I couldn't have buggered anything up trying t screw the plug in?

Thanks in advance

P
Title: Re: I presume something is missing here? - hole plugged but car won't start!
Post by: tomp on 04 May 2012, 23:18
Spade terminal connector come off the starter motor disturbed when trying to fit the bung?
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Post by: clipperjay on 05 May 2012, 10:05
Glad his priorities are in check  :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: scottishpedro on 05 May 2012, 12:21
Glad his priorities are in check  :laugh: :lipsrsealed:

What do you mean?
Title: Re: I presume something is missing here? - hole plugged but car won't start!
Post by: Dolly on 05 May 2012, 13:51
i believe people have been dropping subtle hints that the metal water pipe that is pictured has seen better days, it also appears peoples opinion on this is, replace the water pipe, dont waste £7 on a bung in the gearbox that isnt actually that important.

Could be wrong though
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Post by: oakgreener on 05 May 2012, 16:39
Dead right Dolly. You can be sure that if you drop something that will fit in that hole. It will disappear down it.
As for not being able to screw it in. I had the same problem. I ran a junior hacksaw around the threads and wire brushed them out afterwards. I managed to get a couple of threads in the hole then.
So if you've bought it, I'd make the effort to fit it. 
Title: Re: I presume something is missing here? - hole plugged but car won't start!
Post by: scottishpedro on 05 May 2012, 17:21
i believe people have been dropping subtle hints that the metal water pipe that is pictured has seen better days, it also appears peoples opinion on this is, replace the water pipe, dont waste £7 on a bung in the gearbox that isnt actually that important.

Could be wrong though

I got the subtle hints; a mechanic has looked at it and thinks it just surface corrosion.  I just wanted to clarify whether or not it was a sarcastic dig I was getting when what I really was after was some advice about how to start my car.
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Post by: clipperjay on 05 May 2012, 17:43
a sarcastic dig? At what?
So many people have said about the water pipe not subtle at all TBH!
You yourself never responded back to say well mechanic has had a look its alright just went on about green bung you couldn't fit? So what else are we to think my friend?
I think we all have been easy on you considering you're a noobie  :grin:
Guess thats got to change!
surface rust outside, inside where the water flows must...... have xray eyes? Now that was Sarc! :wink:   
Title: Re: I presume something is missing here? - hole plugged but car won't start!
Post by: scottishpedro on 05 May 2012, 18:09
Glad his priorities are in check  :laugh: :lipsrsealed:

a sarcastic dig? At what?
So many people have said about the water pipe not subtle at all TBH!
You yourself never responded back to say well mechanic has had a look its alright just went on about green bung you couldn't fit? So what else are we to think my friend?
I think we all have been easy on you considering you're a noobie 
Guess thats got to change!
surface rust outside, inside where the water flows must...... have xray eyes? Now that was Sarc!     

Look I don't want to get in an argument here but 'glad his priorities are in check' with laugh/lipsealed smilies is a sarcastic dig at me replacing the bung and not a water pipe.  By the way I didn't come up with the 'subtle' hints about the water pipe that was another poster.  What's with the bold underlined text, I didn't realise I should have come on to report that I have had the pipe looked at, nor have I had the time to, yesterday when I posted looking for advice I just really wanted help to get the car started again.   I m a noobie and am very grateful for the advice from everyone (I myself have made a useful how to about headlining reupholstery) but I don't see the need for patronising comments/taking it easy or otherwise on the new guy.
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Post by: clipperjay on 05 May 2012, 18:26
No one is arguing with you you come here for advice and we give it!
Like I've said I must be a mind reader to know a mechanic has already had a look since you posted that little bit of information today?
Help? advice? I like wasting bandwidth on posts that get no responses? (SARC) 
Did you know that metal water pipe feeds most of the head with cooling, even cooling the oil!
Its such an inportant part of the cooling system that if it goes you could do damage or bits of rust is flowing clogging up the water channels in the block!
By the way a mechanic is going to say surface rust because its a pain in the arse to remove it and inspected the full length!
 
Like most people have said Priorites the metal water pipe looks ropey!
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patronising comments?

All we have done is help you?

Someone is a bit sensitive when it comes to comunicating with others  :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
Yes the headling is really good, good, good, good job self pat on the back well done! Thats (Patronising) :wink:
Title: Re: I presume something is missing here? - hole plugged but car won't start!
Post by: scottishpedro on 05 May 2012, 18:51

No one is arguing with you you come here for advice and we give it! - yes thank you, I do appreciate wit but most people offer it without being rude

[Like I've said I must be a mind reader to know a mechanic has already had a look since you posted that little bit of information today? chill out on the bold underlined text! Your not a mind reader I presume, but you also jumped to the conclusion that I ignored the responses about the water pipe.
Help? advice? I like wasting bandwidth on posts that get no responses? (SARC)  you need to look into a new Internet provider if you worry about how much bandwidth a few lines of text use up (SARC)
Did you know that metal water pipe feeds most of the head with cooling, even cooling the oil!
Its such an inportant part of the cooling system that if it goes you could do damage or bits of rust is flowing clogging up the water channels in the block! I am no expert (clearly, that is why I bought this car and visit the site with questions, so I can learn), but I did presume that anything to do with cooling is important.  In honesty, my main priority is that the car is safe to run, any time I hear an unusual noise etc I get it booked in straight away to be safe.  The advice was to get the water pipe looked at, I have, I apologise I did not report back on this issue but I have been very busy.
 
Like most people have said Priorites the metal water pipe looks ropey!
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patronising comments?

All we have done is help you? yes you have helped but yes your comment was patronising

Someone is a bit sensitive when it comes to comunicating with others  :laugh: :lipsrsealed: - this is possible, but someone else appears to be a bit insensitive when it comes to communicating with others :)
Yes the headling is really good, good, good, good job self pat on the back well done! Thats (Patronising) :wink: yeah it's bloody brilliant, I look forward to many more overwhelmingly positive comments about how fantastic it is and how I am the saviour of hundreds of sagging mk2 headlining for years to come!
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Title: Re: I presume something is missing here? - hole plugged but car won't start!
Post by: clipperjay on 05 May 2012, 19:04

I don't pay the bills on this site  :rolleyes:
All I was getting at mate is that when someone give you advice water pipe or not it was courteous to respond with simple "thanks guys mechanics looked at it and given it all clear!"
You can see I was a bit narc'ed when you started posting about a green bung that didnt fit, that has proberly been missing for years?
 
Insensitive meet DH I've gone real easy on you!  :laugh: :evil:

Now you're getting it Pedro!  :laugh:
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Post by: Loynes on 05 May 2012, 19:13
I think there are some overly tired vw enthusiasts out their ( now that's patronising !!!!!!!!) Incidently I though the headlining thing was really excellent.
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Post by: scottishpedro on 05 May 2012, 19:18
I hear you, fair enough (that bold underlined text is getting bigger by the minute!) All I was getting at is I have not had time to respond to mention the water pipe.  I only mentioned the green bung fitting procedure to paint a picture of what I could possibly have done to prevent the car starting!

The good news is, as suggested by someone on this thread (thanks), by fitting the precious green bung, I had loosened a connection at the starter motor and all is well now.

I will endeaver to be less sensitive if you promise to attend Internet forum induced anger management classes, deal?

Pedro
Title: Re: I presume something is missing here? - hole plugged but car won't start!
Post by: scottishpedro on 05 May 2012, 19:21
I think there are some overly tired vw enthusiasts out their ( now that's patronising !!!!!!!!) Incidently I though the headlining thing was really excellent.

Yeah I'm really tired, I got up at 6am to play golf at Carnoustie and played like a gentleman's sausage.  Thanks for support, I love it.
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Post by: mikemk4gti on 05 May 2012, 21:06
Another thumbs up for the headlining how to  :smiley:
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Post by: scottishpedro on 05 May 2012, 22:43
Another thumbs up for the headlining how to  :smiley:

Haha, thanks
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Post by: tomp on 06 May 2012, 00:05
I hear you, fair enough (that bold underlined text is getting bigger by the minute!) All I was getting at is I have not had time to respond to mention the water pipe.  I only mentioned the green bung fitting procedure to paint a picture of what I could possibly have done to prevent the car starting!

The good news is, as suggested by someone on this thread (thanks), by fitting the precious green bung, I had loosened a connection at the starter motor and all is well now.

I will endeaver to be less sensitive if you promise to attend Internet forum induced anger management classes, deal?

Pedro

Your welcome....  :grin:
Title: Re: I presume something is missing here? - hole plugged but car won't start!
Post by: scottishpedro on 28 May 2012, 21:19
Hi all

The Mk2 has been in the garage, and I am planning on getting the water pipe with rust replaced (see pic on page 1). Has anyone any idea if they are available new (vw or elsewhere) and what they cost?

Cheers

Pedro
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Post by: mush on 28 May 2012, 22:38
Hi all

The Mk2 has been in the garage, and I am planning on getting the water pipe with rust replaced (see pic on page 1). Has anyone any idea if they are available new (vw or elsewhere) and what they cost?

Cheers

Pedro

My old 8v metal water pipe was direct from vw for around 55 pounds. Clipper j is right and its good advice to get it done. Mine took an hour to remove (just the pipe)

It was a fair comment to be honest  dude. I'd be straight on that if it were my mk2 and I think that's the way to look at it
 
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Post by: scottishpedro on 28 May 2012, 22:49
Hi all

The Mk2 has been in the garage, and I am planning on getting the water pipe with rust replaced (see pic on page 1). Has anyone any idea if they are available new (vw or elsewhere) and what they cost?

Cheers

Pedro

My old 8v metal water pipe was direct from vw for around 55 pounds. Clipper j is right and its good advice to get it done. Mine took an hour to remove (just the pipe)

It was a fair comment to be honest  dude. I'd be straight on that if it were my mk2 and I think that's the way to look at it
 

Yeah I am now on the lookout for the replacement. I need to work out the part number(s) and where to get them.  I hope vw still make them but I did a quick search and it would appear people have had trouble.