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General => General discussion => Topic started by: shelaghmk3gti on 31 March 2012, 10:13
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last year i swapped a vectra for a mk3 gti.
anyway long and short. i left the whole log book with the guy ( he was a small independent garage owner) and happily went home in the gti
have now had a fine of £650 and 6 points on my licence ( ticket was issued by speed cam is chepstow on a diff day to me being there)
i did write to name the driver as the guy on the log book of the golf.. heard nothing and now this.
this fella ( who i left the vectra and log book with) works in chepstow and obviously didnt send the log book off untill it was sold on.
so do i surrender my licence or go and pay him a visit?
i am aware that i did a stupid bloody thing so dont go pointing out the obvious ;)
shelagh x
ps.i have a reciept for the golf,but NO paperwork relating to the trade inr sale of the vectra
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So the automated ticket came to your house? So the system has you down as the owner.
Very naughty thing to name someone else as the driver at the time of the speeding.
You have heard of Chris Huhne?
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no i havent ??
i didnt just randomly name him as the driver.. i assumed it was the guy that owned the garage. ( his writing was so bad i couldnt make it out)
yes im guessing they still do or did at the time have me as the owner
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Eh?
So you bought this Golf, drove it around for a year and then got caught speeding.
So when they asked who the driver was, you named the guy who sold you the car.
Correct?
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haha i have now!( wiki search)
they could put me in court if they wanted! nothing to hide here
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Eh?
So you bought this Golf, drove it around for a year and then got caught speeding.
So when they asked who the driver was, you named the guy who sold you the car.
Correct?
noo the ticket was for the vectra( after i had left it with him).. i named the guy on the golf log book as i assumed it was him i left the vectra with
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If you want to get out of this one you'll definitely be making a court appearance I'd say...
I believe he's saying someone in the Vecra was speeding, but DVLA still have him as the owner and he never re-registered the garage as the owner.
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If you want to get out of this one you'll definitely be making a court appearance I'd say...
I believe he's saying someone in the Vecra was speeding, but DVLA still have him as the owner and he never re-registered the garage as the owner.
yes :)
it deffo wasnt me.
and thats SHE ;)
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noo the ticket was for the vectra( after i had left it with him).. i named the guy on the golf log book as i assumed it was him i left the vectra with
Ah.
Log book is for the registered keeper ( he who is responsible for taxing the car) not who the owner is. Owner and registered keeper can be different people.
Basically you need to show / prove that you are no longer the owner of the Vectra. You have no receipt, so best get in touch with the garage you gave it to.
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cool ok, i'll have a run up there on monday.. lets hope he remembers :/
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Have a read of this. For future reference!
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/AdviceOnBuyingAndSellingAVehicle/DG_4022403
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thanks.. ill likely get screwed for failing to inform them but it cant be as bad..can it
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If you fail to tell DVLA you could be held responsible for any future motoring offences committed in the
thats as bad as it gets :lipsrsealed:
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As long as you can prove you were not the driver of the car you should be ok, you'll probably have to go to court and explain what has happened but as long as you've got a decent solicitor and your excuse is ironclad you'll probably get a slap on the wrist.
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You will be in court so citizens advice maybe?
Did the dealer fill in the yellow trade slip on the log book or did you just hand him the full log book and that was it? (bad idea)
That yellow log book slip removes any registered owner off the vehicle and its then registered under 'trade'.
Did you get the tax disk renewal through the post in your name? If you did then its still registered to you. Get on the phone to the DVLA and ask them/tell them about what has happend and that it was sold on. Can you remember when? Date should be when you registered the golf.
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Correct me if I'm wrong and read the op,s first post incorrectly,
You don't just get a £650 fine and 6 points out of the blue! I presume you have been convicted at court in person or in your absence?
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doesnt count as 100% proof, but the day you traded in the vectra for the golf I assume you did a change of vechicle with your insurance. Get the insurance compay to forward you a copy of this change over as shows this date ties in with the date you bought the golf and traded in the vectra. But if you didnt get the yellow trade slip completed or the dealer didnt offer to do it in front of you might be a hard pill to swallow long term.
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doesnt count as 100% proof, but the day you traded in the vectra for the golf I assume you did a change of vechicle with your insurance. Get the insurance compay to forward you a copy of this change over as shows this date ties in with the date you bought the golf and traded in the vectra. But if you didnt get the yellow trade slip completed or the dealer didnt offer to do it in front of you might be a hard pill to swallow long term.
That's your best leg there.
Never ever sell/scrap your car without sorting out the V5......I moved on a Car and failed to do this once.
I nearly got done up over lots of parking tickets and speeding fines and was very fortunate to get off free.
I could prove I was miles away and at work every time, also changed over the insurance.
The big sticker was not filling in the form and sending it on as you are legally obliged to do, fortunately the guy I sold it to was bent and being watched and this worked in my favour.
bit of a let off as the pound fee would have been eye watering :shocked:
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Yes. Common misconception. YOU retain the yellow slip and send it off.
I had no idea either. I guess I should read more.
Found a yellow slip for a car I scrapped months and months ago. Quickly slipped it in the post. :grin:
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Correct me if I'm wrong and read the op,s first post incorrectly,
You don't just get a £650 fine and 6 points out of the blue! I presume you have been convicted at court in person or in your absence?
I was also thinking that this is not a normal speeding fine.
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Correct me if I'm wrong and read the op,s first post incorrectly,
You don't just get a £650 fine and 6 points out of the blue! I presume you have been convicted at court in person or in your absence?
I was also thinking that this is not a normal speeding fine.
Yeah, unless fines go up if not paid? I dunno?
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I would have thought she would have had a knock at the door before now if it was just non-payment and i don't think they would slap extra points on for that either, 6 points and and a hefty fine points to something more serious than a speed trap.
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6 points and that fine isnt a standard offense in any way shape or form :lipsrsealed:
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That's more like a fine for no insurance rather than a speeding ticket!
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Correct me if I'm wrong and read the op,s first post incorrectly,
You don't just get a £650 fine and 6 points out of the blue! I presume you have been convicted at court in person or in your absence?
yes for failing to name the driver.. after i had
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Correct me if I'm wrong and read the op,s first post incorrectly,
You don't just get a £650 fine and 6 points out of the blue! I presume you have been convicted at court in person or in your absence?
yes for failing to name the driver.. after i had
They convicted you in your absence and you didn't even receive a court summons?...that doesn't sound right..
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i knew of there intention.. as thats when i notified them of the name of the golf owner, but other than that the fine,DVLA request is all ive had.. oh and a letter of intention to recover ( 2 days later)
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Whats the timeframe for all of this? was it in this order..1.swap vectra
2.get a fine/points from dvla for speeding offence
3 .inform dvla that you were not driving
4. get 6 points and large fine for not disclosing the name of the driver
There must be some form of court summons between 3 and 4 to give you the chance to defend yourself.
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bet the bloke you name said Nope not me,
thus putting the liability back onto you, as YOU failed to notify the DVLA that you put the car into trade.
Harsh, but the way it is
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There is something not right with all this! To get that level of fine and points you must have had a court summons and not turned up! Found guilty in your absence I think!
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bet the bloke you name said Nope not me,
thus putting the liability back onto you, as YOU failed to notify the DVLA that you put the car into trade.
Harsh, but the way it is
This looks like the most likely scenario, if it was a fixed camera he just denied all knowledge and there is not much you can do about it.
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I once sold a moped on ebay, the guy picked it up filled in the new keeper slip and I sent it off.
However a couple of weeks later the moped was caught in a bus lane on camera and was sent the letter with a fine.
I got back to TFL (who issued the bus lane violation ticket) and told them the moped had just been bought by someone and it should now be registered to them.
They then contacted the DVLA who confirmed that the keeper had changed and all was good.
When you sell a car and notify the DVLA you should get a letter saying that you are no longer the registered keeper, I always keep these letters as proof incase something like this happens.
Best case scenario is that you can prove to whoever sent the speeding ticket (local Police or local authority) that you weren't the owner at the time, in which case you will hopefully get off without the speeding ticket or fine.
But you'll just have to suck up the £650 fine and points from the DVLA as you clearly failed to notify them of the change of keeper.
You might possibly be able to plead ignorance or forgetfulness. But to plead ignorance it would have to be the first time you've ever traded/sold a car. And to plead forgetfulness you would have to show that you hadn't received any letters from the DVLA about renewing tax in the months since you sold it (how long ago?) and that maybe you had been too busy with something like an illness or death in the family.
As suggested, talk to citizens advice but be prepared to pay up. You may be able to get the fine/points reduced, but it may take some time.
Good luck.
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This is how it works! Letter sent in the post to you asking to furnish the keeper details. If not replied to then a court summons is issued for failing to furnish, again another letter sent informing you!None attendance at court on the first date will usually cause the case to be heard in your absence. You can appeal the conviction but ignorance and forgetfulness is not a defence! If you lose the appeal then the fine will increase!
Sounds harsh but that's the way it is.
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There is something not right with all this! To get that level of fine and points you must have had a court summons and not turned up! Found guilty in your absence I think!
yes thats obviously happened as i woudnt have been convicted without a court summons.. i just didnt ever get one :(
im going back t see him tomorrow, im not happy one bit,and CAB is on my list too
thankfully he hasnt 'hit and run'!
all my fault tho i'll never leave the log book behind again!
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There is something not right with all this! To get that level of fine and points you must have had a court summons and not turned up! Found guilty in your absence I think!
yes thats obviously happened as i woudnt have been convicted without a court summons.. i just didnt ever get one :(
im going back t see him tomorrow, im not happy one bit,and CAB is on my list too
thankfully he hasnt 'hit and run'!
all my fault tho i'll never leave the log book behind again!
If you can prove that you didn't receive a summons and dependant on how long ago the case was heard in court, you might have a chance to appeal...the C.A.B would know about this otherwise its just another life lesson i'm afraid. :sad:
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yeah thanks, totally agree.. and lesson well and truely learnt!
no idea how id go about proving i didnt get the summons.. do they special post them?( where u have to sign?)
ah anyway, its done and likely i wont get out of it so heres to lessons!
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yeah thanks, totally agree.. and lesson well and truely learnt!
no idea how id go about proving i didnt get the summons.. do they special post them?( where u have to sign?)
ah anyway, its done and likely i wont get out of it so heres to lessons!
The court would have a record of when/where they sent the summons and as far as i know they are sent by 'normal' post, but to be honest you would really need a good barrister who specialises in traffic law to sort all this out and if your job depends on having a clean licence or your looking at a ban through 'totting up' then it would be worth it, otherwise it's just a case of taking it on the chin.
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This is how it works! Letter sent in the post to you asking to furnish the keeper details. If not replied to then a court summons is issued for failing to furnish, again another letter sent informing you!None attendance at court on the first date will usually cause the case to be heard in your absence. You can appeal the conviction but ignorance and forgetfulness is not a defence! If you lose the appeal then the fine will increase!
Sounds harsh but that's the way it is.
but i DID tell them who was the driver :undecided: maybe they didnt get it, i dont remember reading anything that said keep in touch incase we dont get your reply :undecided:
how long do these points stick for anyway?
have never had a letter that states that someone else wants to take reg over as keeper.. will call dvla
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also.. where do i stand as far as putting my golf in my sons name till this is all sorted.. have dealt with some dirty baliffs in the past..hes 18 and dosent hold a license .. but like hell are they having it!
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Points are 4 years from date of offence and the DVLA would have sent you a letter to tell you that you were no longer the registered keeper..no letter means your name is still on the V5.
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ah sh1t then im looking at a bann!!
let my ex borrow the vectra 3 yrs ago in scotland and i took the rap as he wasnt insured when the car got done for speeding.didnt send my license off then tho as i moved back to wales.so maybe points wont be on me
what a mess :cry:
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You could change the cars owner to your son or just park it down the road and say you don't own a car, the baliff won't know that you own a car unless he/she has seen you driving it and it should be a court baliff who knocks on the door not a private baliff and they tend to be more amenable as they are salaried and have no profit to make.
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I'm staggered that you can work the internet, let alone drive a car.
Please stop before someone gets properly hurt.
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ah sh1t then im looking at a bann!!
let my ex borrow the vectra 3 yrs ago in scotland and i took the rap as he wasnt insured when the car got done for speeding.didnt send my license off then tho as i moved back to wales.so maybe points wont be on me
what a mess :cry:
The points will be on the DVLA database and you may have commited a further offence by not surrendering your licence for the points relating to this offence, you will now be on 9 points which is not a ban but if you have 3 points from the previous offence and they still have a year to run then your going to have to be very very careful for the next year until those points drop off but i would seriously advise contacting the DVLA and getting a clear picture of what is or is not on your licence as this situation could get out of control pretty quickly.
(BTW i am not a lawyer or licenced to practise law and any and all opinions i have given are purely my own views based on experience and not a professional understanding of traffic law)
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Maybe you should stick to getting the bus? :undecided:
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ah sh1t then im looking at a bann!!
let my ex borrow the vectra 3 yrs ago in scotland and i took the rap as he wasnt insured when the car got done for speeding.didnt send my license off then tho as i moved back to wales.so maybe points wont be on me
what a mess :cry:
I didn't realise the welsh were exempt from penalty points... :wink:
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Points are 4 years from date of offence and the DVLA would have sent you a letter to tell you that you were no longer the registered keeper..no letter means your name is still on the V5.
Points are only counted for 3 years, they remain on your licence for 4 years but they are not valid after 3.
As far as bailiffs are concerned it doesn't matter who is on the logbook to the golf, that only means your the keeper not the owner, just tell them it is your sons car and he has it for when he is ready to learn to drive and that your using it, that for insurance purposes you are the registered keeper as a lot of insurers won't cover you if your not registered on the logbook.
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Points are 4 years from date of offence and the DVLA would have sent you a letter to tell you that you were no longer the registered keeper..no letter means your name is still on the V5.
Points are only counted for 3 years, they remain on your licence for 4 years but they are not valid after 3.
As far as bailiffs are concerned it doesn't matter who is on the logbook to the golf, that only means your the keeper not the owner, just tell them it is your sons car and he has it for when he is ready to learn to drive and that your using it, that for insurance purposes you are the registered keeper as a lot of insurers won't cover you if your not registered on the logbook.
Points stay on for 11 years for serious offences..drink driving/causing death etc, 4 years from date of conviction for reckless driving and offences that result in disqualification and 4 years from date of offence for all other offences.
with exception to the 11 point offences, they are 'spent' after 3 years but remain on the licence for 4 years.
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Points are 4 years from date of offence and the DVLA would have sent you a letter to tell you that you were no longer the registered keeper..no letter means your name is still on the V5.
Points are only counted for 3 years, they remain on your licence for 4 years but they are not valid after 3.
As far as bailiffs are concerned it doesn't matter who is on the logbook to the golf, that only means your the keeper not the owner, just tell them it is your sons car and he has it for when he is ready to learn to drive and that your using it, that for insurance purposes you are the registered keeper as a lot of insurers won't cover you if your not registered on the logbook.
Points stay on for 11 years for serious offences..drink driving/causing death etc, 4 years from date of conviction for reckless driving and offences that result in disqualification and 4 years from date of offence for all other offences.
with exception to the 11 point offences, they are 'spent' after 3 years but remain on the licence for 4 years and can be applied for purposes of totting up.
A bloke I work with drove his car pissed out his head, crashed into 2 cars a lamppost and a Chinese restaurant, ended up on his roof with the boot on top of a car and the bonnet through the window of the Chinese with the car off the ground, amazingly lived and didn't get hurt apart from a large cut on his head, checked to see if he hit anyone, he hadn't and done a runner, police went to his house and called him an ambulance, they couldn't breathalys him at the time so did it 4 hours later in hospital, he was still 5 times over the limit, that was just over 4 years ago and he has had his points removed already.
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How long endorsements stay on your driving licence
An endorsement must stay on your driving licence for the following periods of time:
Eleven years from date of conviction
If the offence is:
•drinking or drugs and driving - shown on the licence as DR10, DR20, DR30 and DR80
•causing death by careless driving while under the influence of drink or drugs – shown on the licence as CD40, CD50 and CD60
•causing death by careless driving, then failing to provide a specimen for analysis – shown on the licence as CD70
Example: Date of conviction is 3 December 2002 - the endorsement must stay on the licence until 3 December 2013.
Four years from the date of conviction
If the offence is for:
•reckless/dangerous driving - shown on the licence as DD40, DD60 and DD80
•offences resulting in disqualification
•disqualified from holding a full driving licence until a driving test has been passed
Example: Date of conviction is 28 May 2004 – the endorsement must stay on the licence until 28 May 2008.
Four years from the date of offence
In all other cases.
Example: Date of offence 10 June 2005 – the endorsement must stay on the licence until 10 June 2009.
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I'm staggered that you can work the internet, let alone drive a car.
Please stop before someone gets properly hurt.
LOL
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None of this makes sense... surely all your details should be up to date as you update your driving license when you move address thus your previous points would of been on there when you moved to wales from the previous rape your BF gave you?
I've not been at the magistrates for a while now, nor can I be asked to ring any of the staff, but summons are sent just via post. There is a record of when it was posted on the system, also depending on the seriousness there may well also be a warrant for your arrest.
Not receiving paper work I'm not sure how the magistrates deal with this, it has happened on the rare occasion.
Plus its private bailiffs and debt collectors they send, these guys have no mercy of what they take or want, its a different ball game compared to county court bailiffs and sheriffs.
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ah sh1t then im looking at a bann!!
let my ex borrow the vectra 3 yrs ago in scotland and i took the rap as he wasnt insured when the car got done for speeding.didnt send my license off then tho as i moved back to wales.so maybe points wont be on me
what a mess :cry:
Think yourself lucky with just facing a ban. If you got caught taking points for someone else then its
perverting the course of justice, which usually ends up with a prison sentence!
Probably a good idea if this thread gets deleted before the OP digs a deeper grave!
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makes Bellends life seem boring now :laugh:
and yep, perverting the course of justice can lead to jail time, :shocked:
whats a female bubba called, :undecided:
and soap on a rope is a must :grin:
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None of this makes sense... surely all your details should be up to date as you update your driving license when you move address thus your previous points would of been on there when you moved to wales from the previous rape your BF gave you?
I've not been at the magistrates for a while now, nor can I be asked to ring any of the staff, but summons are sent just via post. There is a record of when it was posted on the system, also depending on the seriousness there may well also be a warrant for your arrest.
Not receiving paper work I'm not sure how the magistrates deal with this, it has happened on the rare occasion.
Plus its private bailiffs and debt collectors they send, these guys have no mercy of what they take or want, its a different ball game compared to county court bailiffs and sheriffs.
It would be county court baliffs in the first instance and private bailiffs (licenced thieves) if the former didn't get anywhere, and i think it might be a good idea to delete this thread too as the more i've thought about it and re-read the posts the more i think there are some serious issues going on here above and beyond some lost paperwork and failing to inform the dvla of legally obligated information.
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and never buy a car from south wales . . . .
it will
a, be fooked
and or
2, come with multiple police markers
Hey Rhyso :rolleyes:
:kiss:
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Yep; place is full of dodgy cnuts
Why do you think I bought my Aldi from Birmingham :kiss: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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:grin: :laugh:
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gosh... this is a mess!! :grin:
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None of this makes sense... surely all your details should be up to date as you update your driving license when you move address thus your previous points would of been on there when you moved to wales from the previous rape your BF gave you?
I've not been at the magistrates for a while now, nor can I be asked to ring any of the staff, but summons are sent just via post. There is a record of when it was posted on the system, also depending on the seriousness there may well also be a warrant for your arrest.
Not receiving paper work I'm not sure how the magistrates deal with this, it has happened on the rare occasion.
Plus its private bailiffs and debt collectors they send, these guys have no mercy of what they take or want, its a different ball game compared to county court bailiffs and sheriffs.
It would be county court baliffs in the first instance and private bailiffs (licenced thieves) if the former didn't get anywhere, and i think it might be a good idea to delete this thread too as the more i've thought about it and re-read the posts the more i think there are some serious issues going on here above and beyond some lost paperwork and failing to inform the dvla of legally obligated information.
Magistrates use private bailiffs end off. I use to work at the Mag and Crown, :lipsrsealed: County court bailiffs are only used to enforce a county court judgment, such as you took John Smith to Court for arrears of £2000 in rent, he never turned up therefore the judgment ruled in your favor, he can appeal or request another hearing within a time frame, if he doesn't pay up or hasn't done either of the two stated then you can enforce the order.
Again you have several ways to enforce, such as the court bailiffs or attachment of earnings etc...
The County courts (civil law) and the criminal courts do not work together at all, separate systems and networks, such as I can't access no magistrates or crown data from a county court. The civil law and criminal law are not linked at all, so you will never see a magistrates court going "John Smith you have been caught drink driving, this is a 12month ban and a fine of £300, now we need to take you to a civil court to tell the District Judge that we want to claim £600"... Now imagine how daft that would be and how much red tape it would generate.
Not having a dig just explaining the lame a$$ legal system.
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gosh... this is a mess!! :grin:
gosh that sounded posh :kiss:
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gosh... this is a mess!! :grin:
gosh that sounded posh :kiss:
well i am, innit! :)
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:laugh: ye boi
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havent read this thread since after about 4 posts cause i havent a clue about any of the selling cars/points stuff cause ive never done/got either.
now after reading all that i never want to have to sell a car seriously confused :grin:
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you havent lived :laugh:
i had almost as many points as I have had cars :lipsrsealed:
i had as many bans as i have had wives :laugh:
thats a fooking lot of paperwork :tongue:
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My mistake, i have always been lead to believe that the court baliffs are the first to turn up then it gets passed to private baliffs if no payment, i stand corrected. :embarassed: