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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: PaulPearson on 31 March 2012, 07:22
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Right guys here's where I'm at. Iv owned my V5 for a year now and shes a lovely car my pride n joy but just not quick enough. Rather than spend daft £ on a supercharger etc there's not much I can do with her so iv decided to get a new car after my hols in June so..
Last weekend I went looking at 2 R32's as iv always wanted one as I love the car looks amazing and I'm sure it shifts too but after seeing 2 not amazing examples tbh iv kinda gone off the idea as well as the petrol bill (ar lass mum lives in Kiddeminster and we live in Wakefield.. Nice round trip lol)
I do like big engine golfs and that's why iv been thinking about getting the one up from mine V6 4motion. Cost a bit more to run but 50+ more horses and I bet it's got lot more grunt. Anyone own one on here or modded one? Can't decide between this and the anni 20v T.
If I'm honnest I'm swaying towards the anni at the min after seeing a few mint examples on autotrader. Can't decide between the V6 or the 1.8T.
Thoughts guys? Any help would be appreciated. Looking at spending 4-5 g on one after my hols
I know the difference is a litre in engine size but what's more tunable? 1.8 or V6?
Cheers guys
Paulo
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1.8t are a lot more tuneable it comes down to what u want out of it tbh
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1.8t all day long, even more so if you go for an Anni.
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Charged v6 either turbo or super charged hell yes.
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Think the anni is 180 as standard isn't it? Decent that :smiley:
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Im looking at v6 at the mo. but after hearing about fuel Strike now not so sure :angry:
but i have to say the v6 does feel Better then a mapped 1.8t that 4wd system really makes a difference.. But if you want one you can mod easily then 100% go for a 1.8t. the most you will get out v6 is about 230 bhp with exhaust remap etc. if you spend ££££ then your looking at some serious power on a v6 but thats going into serious money.
A stage1 mapped 1.8t will see you hit slightly more power then 4mo but handling would be bag sh1t so you will have to work on brakes suspension etc to realy enjoy it. I have a mapped AGU at the mo and i hate the handling especialy after driving a v6 4mo and i wasnt willing lower it etc with humps around my area and having to climb curbs.. So comes down to what you can afford to run and what your plans are mate modding wise
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Golf 4motion and supercharge it poss? Made bought 02plate 4motion with 65k on clock for £2100 mint aswell he's wants turbo or supercharge that.
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If you do a fair few miles on daily commute and at weekends, then go for a 1.8T. Plus if tuning is your thing, there seems to be more options.
I've got a V6 4mo. That cost me £80 to fill up the other day and won't last long on a long trip :cry:. But I'm only a few miles from work, and the 4wd is a bonus where I live when it snows.
Like previous poster says, the 1.8T came in 180bhp flavour, which on paper is not far off the V6's 204bhp. In real world (sensible :nerd:) driving, would you notice the power difference? I couldn't, but I'm no Stig. V6 does sound better though. Anyway, there's few places you can find out these days what with cameras etc, unless you go on track days, but then again the V6 is setup more for motorway cruising than cornering.
The V6 is probably a little more on insurance too depending on your circumstances and insurer.
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Thanks guys appreciate the feedback. I'm torn at min as I do 250 mile a week to work but I have a bike for that. I love the sound of my v5 and can imagine a v6 with full system and remapped etc will be the nuts. Was going to do this to my v5 but decided to get a lower millage golf first as mines done 135k now.
The 1.8T may save me some £ on fuel but like I said iv got a bike for commuting and Iv a decent payed job and have always wanted to tune a golf to some serious power while i can afford to (still renting atm & no baby as yet lol) so that's why I'm unsure what to go for. Would like to drive a 4 motion to feel the 4wd.
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I do the same miles a week there abouts to work and running about I had a charged vr6 yeah it wasn't a 4 motion or anything but the fuel consumption.was hell on earth I've always had mad fuel guzzler mk2 golfs vr6 golfs and crazy ford rs turbos but pound for pound and performance and fuel economy the 20vt is the mutts nuts there quick when u want them to be but even a 300hp one u could use as a daily driver defo suppose at the end of the day it's your choice but I know I'll stay with the 18t for a while now till money allows a mk5 gti
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Thanks guys appreciate the feedback. I'm torn at min as I do 250 mile a week to work but I have a bike for that. I love the sound of my v5 and can imagine a v6 with full system and remapped etc will be the nuts. Was going to do this to my v5 but decided to get a lower millage golf first as mines done 135k now.
The 1.8T may save me some £ on fuel but like I said iv got a bike for commuting and Iv a decent payed job and have always wanted to tune a golf to some serious power while i can afford to (still renting atm & no baby as yet lol) so that's why I'm unsure what to go for. Would like to drive a 4 motion to feel the 4wd.
Heaps of posts on here about the 4x4 system you do know the rear wheels only engage when you lose traction??? It's not a permenant system so 90% of the time it's a fwd car pal I've only noticed the 4x4 in the snow and it is a good thing
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Thanks guys appreciate the feedback. I'm torn at min as I do 250 mile a week to work but I have a bike for that. I love the sound of my v5 and can imagine a v6 with full system and remapped etc will be the nuts. Was going to do this to my v5 but decided to get a lower millage golf first as mines done 135k now.
The 1.8T may save me some £ on fuel but like I said iv got a bike for commuting and Iv a decent payed job and have always wanted to tune a golf to some serious power while i can afford to (still renting atm & no baby as yet lol) so that's why I'm unsure what to go for. Would like to drive a 4 motion to feel the 4wd.
Heaps of posts on here about the 4x4 system you do know the rear wheels only engage when you lose traction??? It's not a permenant system so 90% of the time it's a fwd car pal I've only noticed the 4x4 in the snow and it is a good thing
yes but non the less you feel the difference in corners.. and not the front understeering like mad
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Well I wouldn't say I have tbh as i said only in bad weather I'm sure on a track maybe but not on a normal road within the speed limit
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Well I wouldn't say I have tbh as i said only in bad weather I'm sure on a track maybe but not on a normal road within the speed limit
i did not do the speed limit when i drove one so maybe thats why i felt the difference :evil: :lipsrsealed:
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Haha don't get me wrong when your being naughty and you chuck it in to a corner I know exactly what u mean lol was just meaning everyday non naughty driving ;)
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Haha don't get me wrong when your being naughty and you chuck it in to a corner I know exactly what u mean lol was just meaning everyday non naughty driving ;)
oh right.. i should have took for normal drive too.. was to excitied to hear the v6 tho :grin:
man why do they have to fook with fuel prices now :cry:
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Haha yeh true but a 1.8t won't be much better off than a 4mo tbh unfortunately decent note means fuel lol
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My money would go on a 225 S3.
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And mine or an lcr :lipsrsealed:
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Your all wrong!!!!!!!! Diesel FTW :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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My money would go on a 225 S3.
would be my choice aswell but i do miss the sound of the 4mo i had :smiley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af_SVnDHHHA
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Haha don't throw S3 in the mix as well if I was to get an audi it would deffo be an S3.
I see both sides of the coin with both cars really but I'm thinking about moving up from mine now to the V6 as iv seen a few good ones for sale cheaper than the anni as well. Probably get a decent one around 3-3.5k I have seen a mint anni but it's near 5k with 80k on clock
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A friend of mine recently bought a mint 2000 S3 for £4200 with 77k on. They're out there if you look. So much nicer inside too. Black leather recaros, piano black dash, Bose stereo. Plus they're Quattro and K04.
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What engine is in the S3? 1.8T? Or bigger?
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What engine is in the S3? 1.8T? Or bigger?
1.8T BAM Haldex with K04 :smiley:
210 or 225 map to the same... roughly about 250/260bhp.
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Id have an S3 over an Anni/V6 anyday.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-AUDI-S3-QUATTRO-GREY-260bhp-Facelift-/170817122614?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27c57e7136#ht_600wt_1396
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Audi-S3-Quattro-Silver-77k-miles-F-S-H-11-Months-MOT-Just-serviced-/330707123982?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4cffae3f0e#ht_518wt_1396
Better still..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-52-AUDI-S3-225-QUATTRO-BLACK-/160770666944?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item256eadb1c0#ht_1447wt_1396
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Bloke I work with's mate is trying to sell me his seat Leon 1.8 20v T at minute as he knows I'm looking. It's been at jabba sport and is runnning stage 2 turbo at 285bhp. Not drove a Leon before as I love my golfs but might give this a spin to see the power.
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It should drive exactly like a golf as it's the same car. 285 is alot for a K04. What turbo is it running?
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Not sure mate il find out
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BAM and the dirt is gone. :wink:
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Id have an S3 over an Anni/V6 anyday.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-AUDI-S3-QUATTRO-GREY-260bhp-Facelift-/170817122614?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27c57e7136#ht_600wt_1396
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Audi-S3-Quattro-Silver-77k-miles-F-S-H-11-Months-MOT-Just-serviced-/330707123982?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4cffae3f0e#ht_518wt_1396
Better still..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-52-AUDI-S3-225-QUATTRO-BLACK-/160770666944?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item256eadb1c0#ht_1447wt_1396
thats why i bought her an s3 over the anni same price better car :smiley:
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+1 my mrs wants an s3 but all of the sudden she been looking at tt's as her friend just got a z4
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+1 my mrs wants an s3 but all of the sudden she been looking at tt's as her friend just got a z4
had to talk my missus out of the tt as its just a bit to small :smiley:
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Don't get me started on the missus just spent the month finding the missus a Audi for that is mint cause she loves my golf used while I was on holiday and then after I arrange to get one sorted for a good price she buys a 2000 1.8 focus
edit: should also explain dont want his and her cars
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My mrs is into cars but hasn't passed yet. I'm just trying to convince her she DOES want a mk1 golf as her 1st car, a wee project I can work on for her of course :smug:
She wants a bloody new mini. There alright I guess
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least your kinda of having a say i didnt get a word in each ways i was out the country and come back to her with a focus wasnt impressed
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I've just come from a 245hp Mk4 Ibiza Cupra with a 1.8 20vt to a mk4 r32, fuel difference isnt too bad, a tank costs £20 more but i get about 30-50 more miles out the tank (i've been advised i dont drive the r32 properly though haha)
Main difference for me is the grip from the r32, the independant rear suspension must really help and of course the haldex when you're pushing it, the noise is amazing too and the interior of course! The cupra was abit lairy to drive, even with a fancy diff, r32 is allot more relaxed and has calmed me down allot. I think this is because it needs to be revved to go fast whereas there was that much torque low down with the cupra, it kind of got abit addictive!
Only petrol mk4 i'd go for would be the r32, i'd much rather a Leon Cupra R other-wise.
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I looked at 2 last weekend as iv always wanted one. Lad did say if I get V6 il always be wanting R32.
What's it like when you put foot down then? As iv never drove one.
How many miles you get out of an average fill up of 40 squid? It's about 60 odd quid to fill my V5
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60 quid to fill up your v5 you must be getting cheap fuel!!! my 4mo costs nearly £80 to fill now... And the 4mo and the R32 isnt that much in it when remapped with the miltek and the price i paid for my 4mo i wont complain as i have been right behind a few r32's... Dont get me wrong i would of bought a r32 but the 4mo was at that time nearly 7k cheaper And as BarryM will also verify his old 4mo there wasnt much diff performance wise with his mods :cool: Either way if you can afford the r32 go for it But you will get about 160 miles to 180 for £40
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60 quid to fill up your v5 you must be getting cheap fuel!!! my 4mo costs nearly £80 to fill now... And the 4mo and the R32 isnt that much in it when remapped with the miltek and the price i paid for my 4mo i wont complain as i have been right behind a few r32's... Dont get me wrong i would of bought a r32 but the 4mo was at that time nearly 7k cheaper And as BarryM will also verify his old 4mo there wasnt much diff performance wise with his mods :cool: Either way if you can afford the r32 go for it But you will get about 160 miles to 180 for £40
yip my old 4mo kept up with a couple of r32s easy an left my pals anni everytime :smiley:
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might be a bit more but generally at Morrison's Petrol station 60 takes it to full near enough but I'm sure there's more room in tank. I do fill up before its dry though
doesn't sound too bad I guess I don't get great deal more in mine if I'm honnest put 40 in today so il compare. Would love an r32 just watched a vid on YouTube of a turbo'd r32 destroy a Ferrari haha
V6 or r32 it is then :smiley:
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is your missus going to be driving it :smiley:
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Errrmm NO :grin:
She can sit and look pretty in passenger seat haha
Mate at work wants my V5 so she will go to a good home
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1.8T for tunability all day long better mpg when driven sensibly I would say aswell. I had a V6 Vectra and it use to drink fuel
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i could get 35mpg quite easily with 189bhp and 220lbs ft torque in 1.820vt AGU
yeah drivin like miss daisy :grin: :grin:
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i could get 35mpg quite easily with 189bhp and 220lbs ft torque in 1.820vt AGU
yeah drivin like miss daisy :grin: :grin:
:rolleyes: the only way too drive isn't it?
try tellin my missus that :grin:
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i could get 35mpg quite easily with 189bhp and 220lbs ft torque in 1.820vt AGU
yeah drivin like miss daisy :grin: :grin:
Lol miss daisy.
I see your point though. I'm used to the fuel bill now though iv put 60 quid in mine in past 4 days.
But then in the real world petrol logic it makes no sense I guess
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The 32's arnt great when you put your foot down, over about 1500 miles i've averaged 27mpg, thats driving fairly sensibly all week and having fun at the weekend :grin: £80ish to fill on fancy fuel and around 350 miles off a full tank but i normally fill back up when its got about 60 left to empty and i've normally covered about 300-310 up until that point.
The 32's arnt about speed, yes you can get a 20vt mk4 to go as quick with some money spent on them but the 32's are the full package as a standard car imo.
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R32's are boring on the mk4, they feel calm and not exciting, even when ragged the nuts off! On a straight, my 1.8T keeps up with a r32-mk4 and the owner always looks sad and disappointed. Even though s/he has 65bhp more, but the way we produce power and the torque we deliver makes us quite close in a straight line.
Fuel is sh!te, its nothing special, plus a test was done, r23-260bhp and 1.8T-260bhp, round the ring the 1.8T was quicker :grin: :grin: :grin: But not by much, for me 1.8T wins hands down in fuel, performance and tunability.
R32 wins in noise and having an outdated engine which was the bomb many moons ago as it was revolutionary in its time to fit a colossus v6 in such a small space with that displacement. Now turbo's run the streets and outrun them :grin: :grin: :grin:
Plus for the price they sell and buy at the r32 you can get so much more car for that money, some r32's still sell for £9500, for that I could get a S3, or the new mk2 LCR which will humiliate it so much for that price! Not to mention all the other cr@p you can buy or mod to easily outrun it.
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You have hit the nail on the head there mate couldn't agree more
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You could say that about loads of cars and most mk4 r32's have come down in price it would have to be seriously low mileage to fetch £9500
And of course your car will keep up eventually top speed between all the golfs there isnt that much in it but off the line he will annihilate you!
As Scott-o says out the box the 432 is a very good car u dont need to do much to them....
And lastly sorry Note wins over the boring sound of a 1.8t but again that is my opinion
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You could say that about loads of cars and most mk4 r32's have come down in price it would have to be seriously low mileage to fetch £9500
And of course your car will keep up eventually top speed between all the golfs there isnt that much in it but off the line he will annihilate you!
As Scott-o says out the box the 432 is a very good car u dont need to do much to them....
And lastly sorry Note wins over the boring sound of a 1.8t but again that is my opinion
my 4mo raped my pals turbo an mine everytime an the noise from the 4mo was :evil: :evil:
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You could say that about loads of cars and most mk4 r32's have come down in price it would have to be seriously low mileage to fetch £9500
And of course your car will keep up eventually top speed between all the golfs there isnt that much in it but off the line he will annihilate you!
As Scott-o says out the box the 432 is a very good car u dont need to do much to them....
And lastly sorry Note wins over the boring sound of a 1.8t but again that is my opinion
my 4mo raped my pals turbo an mine everytime an the noise from the 4mo was :evil: :evil:
Exactly i have beaten a few 1.8ts with stage 1s in my 4mo and again wind the window down and just hear her purr!!
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You could say that about loads of cars and most mk4 r32's have come down in price it would have to be seriously low mileage to fetch £9500
And of course your car will keep up eventually top speed between all the golfs there isnt that much in it but off the line he will annihilate you!
As Scott-o says out the box the 432 is a very good car u dont need to do much to them....
And lastly sorry Note wins over the boring sound of a 1.8t but again that is my opinion
my 4mo raped my pals turbo an mine everytime an the noise from the 4mo was :evil: :evil:
Exactly i have beaten a few 1.8ts with stage 1s in my 4mo and again wind the window down and just hear her purr!!
my pals turbo is runnin a revo map an it still didnt have a chance :grin:
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To test out the 1.8t v's r32 argument above i got my mate out in his 240hp ibiza mk4 and we had a blast down a dual carriageway, nothing in it in the end. I was as shocked as him i think, thought i was going to get wasted. If we went any further round the clock i think i may have edged it even. This is in a smaller car than the mk4 golf so i just dont believe the story above about a stage 1 mapped gti wasting r32's. In all honesty I always had it in my head they were slow until i drove one, the power is so linear that they dont feel quick but if you watch the speedo they zip round it, whereas my old cupra and mates ibiza are aggressive in their delivery with a wall of torque, some 270ftlbs, at 2800rpm. The linear delivery, independent rear suspension and the haldex system of the 32 make them absolute animals when you're talking of driving hard point to point round some proper roads.
I think many of the 1.8t owners need to have a good drive of the 4mo's and r32's to get rid of the blinkers. Day to day you cant argue with the all round performance/economy of the 1.8t's but its still just a mk4 golf, the 32's are abit more special all round. The other thing to mention is that i was always worrying about boost leaks, about my turbo going bang and about my clutch with the mk4 cupra whereas the 32 is just a simple n/a engine. If your only doing 250 miles a week go for a 32, im doing 4-500 at the mo and love it haha
I'm somewhere in the middle of the 1.8t and 32 argument as i've had both, albeit i wouldnt get a mk4 golf with a 1.8t, as mentioned previously if you want a 1.8t go for a leon cupra r, or s3 etc the ko3s is good in smaller cars but for golf size cars i think you need the ko4 personally.
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Thanks guys I see both arguments tbh.
I love the sound of my V5 though without any mods right now so I can imagine a v6 or 32 sounds immense with a full system on :evil: