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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Gavo1989 on 25 March 2012, 15:34

Title: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: Gavo1989 on 25 March 2012, 15:34
Ok so im a little confused as to wich route to take. can anyone shed some light please.
Whats the advantages or disadvantages of doing the smooth airbox and pannel filter agains using an induction kit?
Any help would be appriciated
Gav
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: Wazzzer on 25 March 2012, 15:53
I have the R32 DSG intake parts with a Green Cotton panel filter. Gave the same results on the rollers as having no airbox at all so as good as it can be :wink:
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: navmk4gti on 25 March 2012, 17:14
smoothed airbox and pipercross panel filter FTW  :cool:
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: lukeyyyyyyy21 on 25 March 2012, 17:51
I have the R32 DSG intake parts with a Green Cotton panel filter. Gave the same results on the rollers as having no airbox at all so as good as it can be :wink:

really? i have smoothed my airbox, drilled and got a pipercross panel filter. as soon as i took it out it felt much more responsive and better without one.
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: Gavo1989 on 25 March 2012, 18:09
so the dsg thing isnt actualy the air box orr a r32? only the pipes?
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: navmk4gti on 25 March 2012, 18:12
so the dsg thing isnt actualy the air box orr a r32? only the pipes?

yes  :smiley:
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: daz veedub on 25 March 2012, 18:33
had both no difference in either imo
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: Toby on 25 March 2012, 19:47
iv got a pannel filter £25 posted tis your's!
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: Wayne on 25 March 2012, 20:37
I have the Pipercross panel filter in mine, good choice :afro:
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: cullygti on 25 March 2012, 22:45
my iduction kit put my power right down on the map at r-tech as was causing to much heat soak so nick told me to throw it in the bin  :laugh: and go with smoothed air box and panel filter once i changed back to them i noticed the difference some differ from others  :smiley:
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: 1.6mk4GOLF16v on 26 March 2012, 23:32
uumm smoothed airbox?  :embarassed:
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: bunj on 27 March 2012, 08:01
On the inside of your airbox it will have raised rib type sections that can be cut back and filed flat to allow the air to flow as unrestricted as possible through the filter.
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: stfc_gti on 27 March 2012, 14:20
uumm smoothed airbox?  :embarassed:
glad you asked that  :laugh:
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: 1.6mk4GOLF16v on 04 April 2012, 03:02
anyone got a pic?
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: JimBR on 04 April 2012, 09:10
I dont quite see the logic with all the worries about heatsoak on a turbo car. Surely you just want maximum flow possible. The air is going into a red hot turbo anyway. If you want to lower inlet temps get a better fmic?

The seat boys love the huge jetex cone filters and I know prawn on audisport got a MAF reading of 182g/s in comparison to 171g/s with a airbox and panel filter. Using the whole divide by 0.8 I think he reckons he saw about 7bhp gain.

I don't think a dyno even with a big fan simulates the air passing though an engine bay when on the road.

That's just my logic anyway  :grin:
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: shaft69 on 04 April 2012, 09:59
I dont quite see the logic with all the worries about heatsoak on a turbo car. Surely you just want maximum flow possible. The air is going into a red hot turbo anyway. If you want to lower inlet temps get a better fmic?

The seat boys love the huge jetex cone filters and I know prawn on audisport got a MAF reading of 182g/s in comparison to 171g/s with a airbox and panel filter. Using the whole divide by 0.8 I think he reckons he saw about 7bhp gain.

I don't think a dyno even with a big fan simulates the air passing though an engine bay when on the road.

That's ijust my logic anyway  :grin:
With you on that logic!!! If getting remap done in summer 25degrees fan no way pushing enough cold air in as if driving at 70mph when cars being revved 7000rpm in same place.  If were the case no one would ever buy induction kit  just smooth airbox with panel filter!!! Have seen it where use 3 massive fans with airducts on one channeled to cooler and other to air intake and other keep coolant temp down.  Only seen that set up once when i to Silverstone with work BMW thing deffo not same set up as when had mine dyno'd this week.
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: Wazzzer on 04 April 2012, 15:42
no the air stays on the cold side, it doesn't go through the turbo...
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: dom on 04 April 2012, 16:01
My semi-smooth airbox:

(http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy183/codling1234/IMAG0307.jpg)
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: daz veedub on 04 April 2012, 16:52
soon as i find a new induction kit iam going back down that route so will have a brand new pipercross panal for sale on the car but car hasnt been driven since fitting it  :grin: :grin: still garaged
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: Lankylad78 on 04 April 2012, 17:26
soon as i find a new induction kit iam going back down that route so will have a brand new pipercross panal for sale on the car but car hasnt been driven since fitting it  :grin: :grin: still garaged

Are these the same for all mk4 engines? If so I'd be interested when you're ready to sell. 2000 W 2.slow.
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: daz veedub on 04 April 2012, 17:38
will be same mate mine is w reg 1.8t will drop u a pm soon then as i think ive found a kit  :smiley:
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: Lankylad78 on 04 April 2012, 18:22
Ok cheers. I'm not in any rush, just pm me when you're sorted with an induction kit.
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: daz veedub on 04 April 2012, 18:31
will do mate, ur not that far from me either i dont think (macc way)  :undecided:
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: lukeyyyyyyy21 on 04 April 2012, 18:33
what i have done is buy a cheap ebay cold air induction kit as i wanted the pipework. and then bought an AEM air filter to go on the end. result £70 in total as aposed to £200.

will be interesting to compare the AEM vs ebay air filter

i'm also going to buy a powergasket to fit to the inlet manifold to try and bring inlet temps down for the long and hot summer!
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: Lankylad78 on 04 April 2012, 18:38
will do mate, ur not that far from me either i dont think (macc way)  :undecided:

I'm only 20 minutes or so from Macc. So could drive over to Buxton (once the snow has gone!) or meet somewhere.
Title: Re: Induction kits vs pannel filter?
Post by: daz veedub on 04 April 2012, 21:09
yeah no mither mate could meet in macc no doubt the missis will blag a trip to b&m or wilkinsons so no worries   :laugh: :laugh: