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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: kkd on 19 March 2012, 01:14

Title: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: kkd on 19 March 2012, 01:14
hi i am wondering someone could advise me on this, i bought the above few weeks ago and what i have realised is, its taking so much petrol than my 2003 BMW 3 series 2.0 Engine. (sorry folks), i thought the bmw was supposed to use more petrol than my mk4 considering the engine size but this is not the case here. i read posts and people suggested Lambda Sensors and maybe CAT, went to the garage and they said it probably isn't the sensor since there isn't any engine warning light on my dash. i feel so lost and could only think of selling it. its done 120k miles. i don't want to let it go, i really enjoy driving it. its a 3dr type. HELP!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: navmk4gti on 19 March 2012, 01:39
get a diagnostics cable and check it for fault codes.. only cost like a tenner.. what mpg you getting on your display??
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: mcgee9t2 on 19 March 2012, 09:28
What mpg you get. i get between 30-40 normal driving. 25-30 when ringing its neck
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: Big Tone on 19 March 2012, 09:41
If there are no major faults or issues, a good service always helps.

Driving times/style/tyre pressures etc can also majorly affect mpg, but you probably knew that! :drool:
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: kkd on 19 March 2012, 16:16
The tyres are good, I get the odd 21-30 mpg on normal drive in town, fourth gear and between 30-40 mph,
It just doesn't look right, could you point me to where I could get the diagnostic kit. I'm also planning of proper service but quote from vw is 250 quid, any suggestions guys, thanks

If there are no major faults or issues, a good service always helps.

Driving times/style/tyre pressures etc can also majorly affect mpg, but you probably knew that! :drool:
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: Ant1981 on 19 March 2012, 16:27
The tyres are good, I get the odd 21-30 mpg on normal drive in town, fourth gear and between 30-40 mph,
It just doesn't look right, could you point me to where I could get the diagnostic kit. I'm also planning of proper service but quote from vw is 250 quid, any suggestions guys, thanks


How long do you drive for to get those figures?
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: kkd on 19 March 2012, 17:44
Not really made a note but would few mins, maybe 10? Don't get me wrong , i luv this car nd want to fix any possible fault but on my 2.0 engine BMW, I could do 20 quid on petrol for a week, that's about 100 miles but the golf doesn't go over 60 miles then have to re-fill, its doin my heading trying to figure out wat could be wrong


The tyres are good, I get the odd 21-30 mpg on normal drive in town, fourth gear and between 30-40 mph,
It just doesn't look right, could you point me to where I could get the diagnostic kit. I'm also planning of proper service but quote from vw is 250 quid, any suggestions guys, thanks


How long do you drive for to get those figures?
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: Ant1981 on 19 March 2012, 17:51
Not really made a note but would few mins, maybe 10? Don't get me wrong , i luv this car nd want to fix any possible fault but on my 2.0 engine BMW, I could do 20 quid on petrol for a week, that's about 100 miles but the golf doesn't go over 60 miles then have to re-fill, its doin my heading trying to figure out wat could be wrong

10 mins isn't really enough time for it to warm up and average out really, so you're doing very well to be getting what you do in that case.

Was the BMW doing the exact same journey?
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: kkd on 19 March 2012, 23:44
yeah sort of, well what i have done now is put 20 in my bmw and going to use it for the week and see how far i get with that then will do the same for the golf. hopefully this test should proof something, but in the mean time i am thinking of changing the lambda sensor and CAT, i hear a rattling noise in the exhaust when driving, not major but i do hear it on and off.

Not really made a note but would few mins, maybe 10? Don't get me wrong , i luv this car nd want to fix any possible fault but on my 2.0 engine BMW, I could do 20 quid on petrol for a week, that's about 100 miles but the golf doesn't go over 60 miles then have to re-fill, its doin my heading trying to figure out wat could be wrong

10 mins isn't really enough time for it to warm up and average out really, so you're doing very well to be getting what you do in that case.

Was the BMW doing the exact same journey?
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: barrym381 on 19 March 2012, 23:50
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scanner-Reader-SKODA-diagnostic-Fault/dp/B001KSZQNM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332200976&sr=8-1
buy 1 of these see if any codes show up
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: kkd on 20 March 2012, 22:13
could you guys tell me what could be the rattling sound i hear in the exhaust, could it be the CAT?
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: kkd on 20 March 2012, 22:14
how about the rattling sound i hear under the car, sounds like its coming from the exhaust, could it be the CAT?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scanner-Reader-SKODA-diagnostic-Fault/dp/B001KSZQNM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332200976&sr=8-1
buy 1 of these see if any codes show up
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: barrym381 on 20 March 2012, 22:22
could be the exhaust heatshield
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: dan2252 on 20 March 2012, 23:49
id say it could be cat, seen a few go like this, but as always only way to know is to checked. also there comon for the centre exhuast bracket to snap so thats on to check also
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: kkd on 21 March 2012, 16:28
i thought so, had a mechanic to look for me few weeks ago and he recons i need the CAT changing, the bracket snapped as well but got tha welded but rattling still exists so it must definitely be the CAT, i will probably do both CAT and Lambda. i have ordered the diagnostic kit anyway and can't wait to see the codes my baby will throw up. i will let you guys know. in the mean time where can i get a cheap CAT from without any fault tho? :) :)

id say it could be cat, seen a few go like this, but as always only way to know is to checked. also there comon for the centre exhuast bracket to snap so thats on to check also
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: kkd on 24 March 2012, 14:23
Guys i got the kit and did a scan on the Vehicle, it only provided these codes on the Engine.

16885 - Vehicle Speed Sensor - Range/Performance
17916 - Idle Control Sys: Upper Regulation Limit Reached

could the above codes have something to do with my fuel consumption and how do i go about fixing these, i don't even know what the second one is. however i have done 82 Miles on a 15Litre petrol.

put the same in the golf and counting, will let you know how many miles it will get me. HELPPPP guys


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scanner-Reader-SKODA-diagnostic-Fault/dp/B001KSZQNM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332200976&sr=8-1
buy 1 of these see if any codes show up
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: Ant1981 on 24 March 2012, 14:27
Guys i got the kit and did a scan on the Vehicle, it only provided these codes on the Engine.

16885 - Vehicle Speed Sensor - Range/Performance
17916 - Idle Control Sys: Upper Regulation Limit Reached

could the above codes have something to do with my fuel consumption and how do i go about fixing these, i don't even know what the second one is. however i have done 82 Miles on a 15Litre petrol.

put the same in the golf and counting, will let you know how many miles it will get me. HELPPPP guys


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scanner-Reader-SKODA-diagnostic-Fault/dp/B001KSZQNM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332200976&sr=8-1
buy 1 of these see if any codes show up

There's nothing wrong with your fuel consumption.

And those codes are probably old historic codes.
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: houston on 24 March 2012, 15:01
the lambda sensor could still be the cause, as long as its giving a reading then the ecu will assume its fine, but that doesnt mean the reading its giving is correct, a universal 4 wire sensor is only about £20 so its not gonna break the bank to try it.

id have thought the bmw engine would be better with mpg anyway, unless its a 6 cylinder
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: navmk4gti on 24 March 2012, 21:33
be good idea check them codes on rosstech sites they give you few points on how to sort it too  :wink:
Title: Re: 1999 MK4 1.8 20v GTi non-turbo - Fuel Consumption
Post by: kkd on 25 March 2012, 17:18
Ant1981, the 82 miles on the 15 litre petrol was completed on my BMW 2.0 engine 4 cylinder. As mentioned earlier the 15 litre petrol I put in the golf 1.8 20v is nearly finished and I've only done 53 miles, doubt it would get to 65, so now    it proves the golf is taking more petrol than the BMW for that engine size, I will definitely get the cat nd lambda sensor done and some engine service for the filters, hope it would work, it will be heart breaking if it doesn't


Guys i got the kit and did a scan on the Vehicle, it only provided these codes on the Engine.

16885 - Vehicle Speed Sensor - Range/Performance
17916 - Idle Control Sys: Upper Regulation Limit Reached

could the above codes have something to do with my fuel consumption and how do i go about fixing these, i don't even know what the second one is. however i have done 82 Miles on a 15Litre petrol.

put the same in the golf and counting, will let you know how many miles it will get me. HELPPPP guys


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scanner-Reader-SKODA-diagnostic-Fault/dp/B001KSZQNM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332200976&sr=8-1
buy 1 of these see if any codes show up

There's nothing wrong with your fuel consumption.

And those codes are probably old historic codes.