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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Snoopy on 18 March 2012, 19:28
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I rubbed quite a bit of oil off that pipe and bracket before i took the photo.
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I cleaned this all off and ran the car for a week.
The oils back only small amount. It does seem to be concentrated on the seal to the diverter valve and the bolt and that pipe.
Not sure why a dv would be leaking oil though. :undecided:
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Is that pipe the oil feed for turbo lubrication?
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Todays photo and video.
Looks like it may be coming out were the Diverter valve is bolted on and running down the bracket.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/IMAG0115.jpg)
VIDEO
http://youtu.be/qcr4jGH-CuM
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Cars not been used since 6 May so had another look at it today.
Its only been used for two weeks since mid March when i think about it :embarassed:
Seems like the oils on the high pressure oil feed to the turbo and also round the diverter valve seal and mounting bolts.
Seems like there is a little bit of oil in the air side of the system on the input and intercooler side.
This photo is of the inlet pipe that goes down the drivers side of the engine notice the oil on the join.
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I know i should take it to the dealer, and i will, just not had the time.
Out of curiosity is anyone elses pipe like this?
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Here is mine Geoff, looks dry in there, definitely off to the dealer..
(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/misc/pipe1.jpg)
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I think this is the right place? In which case it looks ok.
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Thanks Mike & Jimble.
Jimble yes thats the pipe. I should have given a better description.
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My DV was leaking when I replaced it.
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http://forums.fourtitude.com/showthread.php?5526105-Oil-Leak.-what-is-this-part-(pics-inside)&p=74987483
Just saving this link here as I may loose it due to be on phone.
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My DV was leaking when I replaced it.
Me to
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Another link for future reference
http://forums.triplezoom.com/showthread.php?5647257-2012-GTI-Turbo-noise-Oil-leak-and-possible-low-boost&p=76810613
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http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5646776-Oil-leak-on-inlet-of-intercooler-crapping-pants
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My DV was leaking when I replaced it.
Me to
:grin: :grin:
Hope you get it sorted snoopy. It was only after my engine failed that I realised it must have lost large amounts of oil pretty rapidly. This could turn out to be a very good spot :cool:
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My DV was leaking when I replaced it.
Me to
:grin: :grin:
Lmao :laugh:
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Pcv valve and dv valve symptoms
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=44709.0
Need to go looking for the pcv now...
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I'm sure they're only £30 or so
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LOL I didnt realize I did that :rolleyes:
I think I paid £65 for mine at a VW dealer.
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It's slightly oily round the pcv pipe on the top of the engine.
So looks like its suffered PCV and DV failure.
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It's slightly oily round the pcv pipe on the top of the engine.
So looks like its suffered PCV and DV failure.
:cry:
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I wonder if the PCV failed and caused the DV to fail as pressure too high?
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DV failure is very common... esp with modded cars. Relatively cheap to change and should be covered under warranty anyway
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Snoopy - did you get this sorted? I think mine is leaking in the same place.
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No sadly not yet, ive been extremely busy at work (overseas problems) and had high priority family buisness I've had to sort. The GTI has been parked in my garage ever since I spotted this issue and not moved since. I've been using my late fathers old car when needed.
I'm 90% sure mine is a PCV valve failure. (Positive crankcase ventilation) Take the engine cover off under the bonnet it just pulls off and see if the small tinfoil covered pipe from the PCV system when it goes into the large air pipe has oil on the join. Mine does.
I also have symptoms of DV diaphragm tear imo but I've had them for a long while before the oil leak. Dealer was suppose to check for that back in march at service.
Had a word with a vw expert fitter at a vw dealership and he did NOT fill me with confidence he did not know what I was talking about and said they would just change the turbo if it went there.
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Just checked my car and it does have oil on that pipe. I took the car to the garage about 2 months ago to have this investigated but they couldn't trace the leak. They cleaned it up and told me to come back if it happened again. The car is booked in to VW Swindon in a week so at least i can point them in the right direction. The oil leaks down the back of the engine and leaves a couple of drips on the drive. Also tried running the car with the oil cap off and it makes no difference to the running. Sounds like it is the PCV.
Matt
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I'm going to do a little write up of symptoms and photos of mine for when I take it in and hope it does not offend their technicians.
Seems some dealers don't know much about this engine and how it works.
I'm also going to try a different dealer and pray they have more clue and take care unlike my previous dealer.
I do need to get my ass into gear as its 4 months now but priorities and just not had the time or been here.
let me know what they find with yours please.
Thanks.
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So to recap,
OIL HERE --- Under the car on the turbos diverter valve seal/join --- 06F 145 710G
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OIL HERE --- Main air feed pipe join down the side of the engine.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/IMAG0142-Copy.jpg)
OIL HERE --- Small pipe join connection to air feed pipe.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/IMAG0190-Copy.jpg)
Above small pipe is connected to this --- 06H 103 22A A --- 06H 103 495 E
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And that is this
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Just got mine back from the dealer having had exactly this same issue fixed under warranty. When I spoke to them they advised that they'd changed a hose, some seals and an oil feed pipe(?).
At first they were just going to change the seals and hose but then found a pipe underneath that was leaking that they hadn't spotted originally. (sorry, don't know which one)
Hope that solves it, will keep an eye on it just incase.
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Thats sounds like maybe your oil leak was caused by the high pressure oil feed pipe to the turbo. I was told about a few of those failing.
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have you noticed any excess oil being used and extra smoke out of the back on full kickdown snoopy?
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Not using oil and no smoke.
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Quick update. Dropped car in to dealer today and explained that i could see oil on the intake pipe (similar to photos above) and suggested they check the pcv valve as suggested in this thread. Garage have just phoned and said that they think it is the turbo so will be replacing it this week. Can't say i'm certain that it is the turbo but i presume they would have checked out the pcv valve as this is a much cheaper repair. I suppose that it is a good thing that the turbo is being replaced under warranty (car has done 28k). I just hope that this really is the problem as I don't really want to take the car back for a third time. The only thing that concerns me is that i read on one of the links that the car should idle badly with the oil cap off - if it makes no difference then the pcv valve is knackered. My car idles fine with the oil cap off.......can anyone confirm that their car idles badly with the oil cap off?
Matt
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If Im home on Sunday I will try mine but mine maybe faulty.
Let me know how you get on with the turbo change.
I would run it for a few days after the change then check for the oil leak if it was me.
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No problem - will do.
Just out of interest has anyone else had their turbo changed? - I couldn't find anything on the search.
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They were going to change the turbo on mine originally (for what appears to be a similar issue), they'd ordered the turbo in ready. When they got into it though, they decided it didn't need a new turbo and just replaced a few pipes / seals. Hasn't leaked since - that said - I've only had it back a few days.
I think it's a pretty standard approach to just replace parts until the problem goes away rather than establishing the root cause.
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They were going to change the turbo on mine originally (for what appears to be a similar issue), they'd ordered the turbo in ready. When they got into it though, they decided it didn't need a new turbo and just replaced a few pipes / seals. Hasn't leaked since - that said - I've only had it back a few days.
I think it's a pretty standard approach to just replace parts until the problem goes away rather than establishing the root cause.
They've got the money to do it too... :angry:
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Yes but some of us don't have the time to keep going back and back until they get it right.
And from previous experience of getting something else fixed at one local dealership one visit or more to fix it 4 times to correct or bodge things they damaged. :angry:
Does not help some of my family work in the main dealer motor trade so I get to hear lots of stories about fitters etc.
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Dealer have just phoned to say car is ready. I'll pick it up tomorrow. Hopefully everything is sorted.
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Let me know after a few days if the oils back or not but they probably changed the diverter valve at the same time which the more i read and undersatnd the crankcase breathing system if that fails it could cause this due to pressure as could the fine oil seperator if that fails. But then again so could the turbo if it fails but i would say thats the least likley to fail of them all due to design.
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You've all got me worried now. Mine went in for its first MOT, got it in abit early before the warranty ran out.
The advisory on the MOT said oil leak, no explanation so i phoned them, they said around the pipe near the turbo, 99% of GTi's have a little seapage which is normal.
After having a quick look myself after seeing your posts, mine looks very similar, problem is warranty has now run out. I can see this being a problem now getting this sorted, without it costing me a fortune.
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You've all got me worried now. Mine went in for its first MOT, got it in abit early before the warranty ran out.
The advisory on the MOT said oil leak, no explanation so i phoned them, they said around the pipe near the turbo, 99% of GTi's have a little seapage which is normal.
After having a quick look myself after seeing your posts, mine looks very similar, problem is warranty has now run out. I can see this being a problem now getting this sorted, without it costing me a fortune.
How long are you out of warranty?, dealers will normally give you a few days grace...raise your concern with your dealer asap to see if they will be willing to help or phone vw customer services and do it that way...
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Picked up my car today. the paper work just said "Found turbo to be leaking, removed and replaced under warranty". So far so good but it is early days. Hopefully it is all sorted - i dread to think how much a new turbo and labour would have cost if it was out of warranty. I'm sure if your car is just out of warranty, then they will honour it as a gesture of good will. Definitely worth raising as soon as possible with the dealer.
Just out of interest, has anyone tried removing their filler cap with the engine running? I'd be interested to know if it is the same as mine.
Matt
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Anyone got any updates on theirs?
Just started mine for the first time in many months to try the removing oil cap test.
As I loosened it the cars revs dropped and it nearly stalled before it recovered then re fittest cap back.
Sorry did not try it earlier mate not been home much.
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Thanks for trying the oil cap test. Must say i'm very confused now! 2 cars with oil leaks in the same area, 1 idles fine with the cap off and 1 tries to stall. I'd be interested for someone with a new car with no problems to try the same test.
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Just a note but It only tries to stall for about a second then recovers to normal tick over. It's just the momentary removal of the cap that changes the pressure which causes the revs to drop and the engine to nearly stall it then recovers, I then replaced the cap.
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Thanks for trying the oil cap test. Must say i'm very confused now! 2 cars with oil leaks in the same area, 1 idles fine with the cap off and 1 tries to stall. I'd be interested for someone with a new car with no problems to try the same test.
Mkviken is coming over with in the next couple of weeks sometime so i will try his.
Hows yours have you had a look to see if it not leaking anymore?
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Had the car back for 2 weeks now and there are still no signs of a leak - fingers crossed.
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No more leaks on mine, either. Just about to do a 700 mile road-trip, will check again at the end of that.
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Thanks for the update.
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Update - it's leaking again! Not happy :angry:
Just waiting for a call back from the dealer. I've requested a free courtesy car as this is costing me a fortune in petrol. This will be the 3rd time that it has gone in for the same problem. I bet it is the PCV valve but they thought replacing the turbo was the better option.
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I'm guessing they checked the dv valve for small splits when they changed the turbo.
There's a high pressure oil feed pipe back there that feeds the turbo that can leak.
Then there is the crankcase breather system at both ends.
I took lots of photos.of mine at the weekend as I wanted to work it all out.
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Not happy. dealer never phoned back. They are struggling to get me a free courtesy car for next week. Not sure what else to request as compensation. I thought a free MOT would be good but i get that as part of the service plan. Any ideas?
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Is the oil round the dc valve to turbo seal and run down onto that pipe like mine or is yours more of a spray pattern as it could be a tiny hole on the high pressure pipe. But if you have tried the oil filler cap loosen when the cars running and as you release it the rev don't drop for a fraction of a second I suspect the fine oil seperator.
Don't know what you could ask for speak to the service manager and see what they offer.
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Is the fine oil separator different to the PCV?
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Have a look at page 3 of this thread for info on it and my photo of it.
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Thanks. I can see the fine oil separator clearly under my engine cover but i can't locate the PCV from the picture in the document on page 3. I'm pretty sure that oil is inside the air intake pipe as the join in the pipe above the turbo is wet with oil. Maybe i should suggest changing the fine oil separator and PCV.
I really like the car and enjoy driving it. I'm a VW nut (I have a Corrado VR6 and Mk2 Golf GTI 16v as well) at heart so it is really disappoiting that I have had so many problems (failed water pump and now this). Maybe i'm better off trading the car in for a slightly newer one.
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When I get home I'll see whether there are any part numbers on the invoice when they repaired mine if that helps them locate where it might be (assuming that my dealer replaced the right part too!), they said something about changing an oil feed pipe, one other pipe and some seals. I've now done nearly 700 miles since they changed it and no sign of the leak returning. Strangely enough, they did pre-order a new turbo in for the oil leak and then decided not to change it.
Either way, hope you get your leak sorted once and for all. I think we all share in your frustration - if this is a common fault you'd expect VW and the dealers to be sharing information to take away the guess work, frustration and cost of repeat visits.
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mbradbrook
I know how you feel. I have also had a few issues with my mk6.
I've had VW and SEATs daily drivers for 23 years and the mk1 GTI for 22 of those too.
I know the pipe he's on about I photographed it on sunday also been told about this from a few places.
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Bit more info i have which may be handy for others.
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(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/Forum%20photos/Oilleak2.jpg)
This below is the late mk5 but its very similar
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Thanks for the replies. Car is booked in for Wednesday evening with a loan car. They have taken a note of suspected PCV or fine oil separator failure. Fingers crossed they sort it this time.
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Right update time. Dropped car off this morning and talked to one of the technicians about the problem. Mentioned PCV valve and fine oil separator and showed him the join on the air intake pipe which was wet with oil. Also mentioned taking the oil cap off with the engine running and no change to idle. The dealer has just phoned to say that they have traced the leak to a joint between a breather pipe and the air intake pipe. They are replacing both pipes. My only question is - should these pipes have any oil in them anyway?
Matt
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That sounds like one of the parts they replaced on mine, possibly the part no W1K0 129 654 AP referred to on the invoice.
Now at 1,200 miles since the repair and no sign of the leak returning.
Hope that's the end of it for you.
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I guess looking at the diagrams above if theres a pressure leak due to a poor seal the oil vapour sent to the turbo by the system could turn into oil again and look like a leak.
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part no W1K0 129 654 AP referred to on the invoice.
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=400246231850
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400246231850;jsessionid=B15203786B08558F62C22526B22398CA?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D400246231850%26_rdc%3D1
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400246231850;jsessionid=B15203786B08558F62C22526B22398CA?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D400246231850%26_rdc%3D1
Google search shows parts similar for that part number
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Yeah - fingers crossed that they have sorted it now. Now i can look at swapping my RCD310 for an RCD510....
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TPI
I wonder what the technical service handbook of elsapro says when you type in the symptoms.
Let me know how you get on,
Did they say what else they did so i can give my dealer some hints?
thanks.
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Picked up my GTI this evening. I've checked under the bonnet and can confirm that they have replaced the main air intake pipe on the back of the engine and the breather pipe that is wrapped in foil. No sign of a leak at the moment but it is early days. Fingers crossed (again).
Matt
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Keep us updated as it will probably show after a couple of days if it does come back.
Thanks :smiley:
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I just got the wife's car MOT'd today and this oil leak was pointed out to me by the tester, not VW as they had not any slots left. There seemed to be fresh oil above the drive shaft and he said around the turbo. Car has 10 days warranty left on it, so got it booked in on Tuesday for them to have a look at.
Had a look under the bonnet and there seems to be some oly crud around the air intake downpipe at the back of the engine, as others have mentioned.
Will go armed with this thread so hopefully get it sorted.
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Sorry to hear that. I hope the pipe is all it turns out to be.
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Had another look when the engine cooled down.
Seems to be fresh oil on a pipe to the right of the air intake at the back of the engine.
Don't know what sort of oil it is but the dipstick is to the max.
Hoping it can be sorted.
Just another thing to add to the white worm on a 2 week old Monza Shadow that was replaced under warranty. They going to love me!!!
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just got back from the the dealers.
Spoke to the tech before going in, said about the oil on the turbo and showed him the air intake pipe and showed him the fresh oil.
Came back an hour later and they are going to replace 3 pipes and a clip, so at least it is nothing major.
Booked in again next week so hopefully it will be sorted then.
Thanks to all the advice on this thread.
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Good news
I wonder what the 3 pipes are exactly.
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where are you taking yours to get looked at geoff?
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Well :undecided: .....good question.
Benfield scotswood is who I've used before for the mk6 which could be better the devil you know. Is easiest to get too and back to as on way to work.
Benfield silverlink I've used once before for void bushes on the ibiza (no complaints on job)
Not sure who else. :undecided:
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Got the car back today. Not got any part numbers as there is none on the invoice.
They said "Turbo leaking oil R+I top & bottom covers renew, Turbo pressure pipe & breather hose at rear of engine to top cover & renew breather hose to the front of the engine"
Don't notice too much of a difference, but better to get it sorted now that the warranty is now gone!!
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Thanks for the info
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Did anyone that had the inlet pipe and small pipe replaced have the part numbers of the parts they changed?
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This problem has got to be almost a VW recall by now, to many people having an oil leak in the same area.
Couled start costing people alot of money, now that the 09 cars are out of warranty
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Just checked mine after they replaced the intake pipe and breather pipe - still no leak so i'm keeping my fingers crossed.
I agree - it should be a recall, especially with oil dripping over the hot turbo.
Matt
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well just had my GTI serviced today, surprise surprise they have mentioned an oil leak around the turbo. When i had the car MOD'd in June it had "oil leak" on the advisory part of the new MOT form, when i phoned they said it was normal oil seapage around the turbo and 99% of GTI's have this.
I had the MOT done in Maidenhead and have now move to Lincolnshire where i just had the service done. They said it was nothing to worry about but quoted £1300 to sort it out, seems a contradiction on what i am being told. I am now out of warranty so this is now going to be a battle with VW. Seems like someone has not been telling the truth on what is going on with this problem, looks like i will be having an interesting conversation with my VW dealer on Saturday morning.
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Oil seepage on a turbo with 80,000 on it yes i would agree but so new i would not.
From research and help from others and this thread also its not the turbo its the crankcase ventilation system causing the oil vapour. Then the air inlet pipe and ventilation breather pipe leaking causing that vapour to turn into oil. Now if it can leak oil it can leak air.. An intake side of an engine that leaks air... normal... I don't think so.
Read the info I posted about the crankcase ventilation system and how it works it may help.
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I think I may have over done the info as my dealer no reply to emails this week :undecided:
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well got home from work today after being away all week, my wife had taken the car in for the service. All the service paperwork said was , turbo oil leak £1300 to fix.
Seems to me they didnt even look if any of the pipes were leaking, to hard for a dealer to actually try to see what the problem is, no way the turbo can be knacked after 30,000k. The service guy said not to worry about it it wasnt urgent, seems like a cop out as the oil leak was identified on the MOT when it was still under warranty
Going to see them on Monday armed with this thread printed off, see what they have to say then. Im really getting disheartened with the standard of VW dealers. Whenever i have a problem it always seems to much trouble for them to bother to try to solve it, i shouldnt be telling them what is wrong. £1300 isnt something you just have lying around especially when that probably isnt the problem.
Im afraid to say i really dont think i will be sticking with VW, once this prob is sorted the car will be going. This is my third GTI not sure what has happened with the quality but my 2 MK5's never had any issues
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Mk5 suffers the same problem. But its slightly different, the oil near the turbo is the same but its normally the pcv valve that fails on them or the fine oil seperator or diverter valve. All can produce this same looking 'turbo failure'.
Check the two links I posted to the no5 forum it shows what happens on the 5.
VW improved the crankcase breather system on the 6 but it seems to also suffer but in a slightly different way. Quite a few reports similar to this topic on the net too.
Check your two airway pipes on the top of the engine for any signs of oil.
If not that.
If its more a spray pattern near the turbo the high pressure oil line is a known trouble issue too. It's a.simple bolt on pipe near the turbo.
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Cheers snoopy, after having a quick look yesterday before it got dark mine looks like the pic on page 1. Sort of caked on oil around the big down pipe at the rear top left as you look at the engine, will have a better look today.
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Check the small pipe too. Mine looked ok until I rubbed it with my hand and there was oil on the bottom of the join which has been dripping down.
You may have to remove the engine cover but that simply pulls up off its 4 push in fittings.
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Well snoopy i think u have cracked it, just felt round the bottom of that small pipe that joins the main large black pipe at the rear top left. There is proper wet fresh oil all around it, i guess its dripping down from there.
Will show the dealer on Monday when i go to speak to them
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But from my limited mechanical knowledge, i thought the pipe i have oil on is only for air
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Been doing abit of reading, i gather that small pipe comes from the fine oil seperator thats why it can leak oil. Learn something new everyday
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booked into VW Boston on Friday to get the oil leak sorted, yet to give me the price until they have looked at it, seeing as they couldnt find it when it was in for the service last week, all they said was turbo leak £1300 to fix. After Snoopy,s advice traced the leak myself to a pipe joint.
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Mines booked in for the 26th. "Thank you for the extensive information " :laugh:
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Lets hope it is just that pipe leaking, should be a simple fix
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According to one very similar to ours on another forum it seems to be the join of the small pipe from the crankcase breather and main large feed pipe.
http://www.vwclub.co.za/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=145681&p=1663732#p1663732
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Well car went in today, got a call they found the leak as we all know, but it is an over pressure causing the leak so they need to find the problem.They had all the technicions on and couldnt work it out, they have kept hold of the car and sent all the info off to VW technical. So we shall see, Boston VW have been very good though not charging me for any investigation. I did mention a leak was pocked up on MOT when it was in warranty and Maidenhead VW said was nothing to worry about it, so Boston are going to look into it. Fingers crossed may get some goodwill
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Pressure issue is a bit vague. But imo if it has then its prob the fine oil seperator/PCv system failure an easy fix.
Did you try the oil cap removal test to see if the pcv system is working?
But if it past that test i think its just a poor join of plastic against plastic join but in your case I don't have the full info but just an educated guess from the many many solved cases of similar issues I've found so far for the real cause of mine. But after reasearch I know how it works now.
I'm dreading mine going in next week. :undecided:
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I never did the oil cap off test, i would hope vw would know what the prob was. I might go amd see them in the morning and show then this thread
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Well just had a call from VW Boston the leak is fixed, turned out to be the seal on the pipe that goes into the main air intake and another part from the fine oil seperator, £227 altogether. They didnt charge me for any of the diagnostics or fault finding, so it could have been a damn sight more.
Now the task of speaking to VW UK to find out if i can get any sort of goodwill seeing as Maidenhead VW identified something in June, when it was still under warrantly and said "it was normal to have some oil seapage around the air intake pipe" seems like that was an easy cop out by them.
But im glad since i moved i have found a very good VW dealer, which is a pleasant surprise.
When i get the paperwork later i will have a look to see if there are any part numbers on it, and hope the leak doesnt reappear in a few days, fingers crossed.
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Did they log it down as a reported issue or just word of mouth. If its on the system as an investigation its still an open unsolved case you will have a case against that. If it was simply a discussion with them maybe a good will guesture from VW.
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It was just a phone call with VW Maidenhead, but they did put "oil leak" on the MOT advisory section, so it is in writting.
I will give VW UK a call when i get all the paperwork together, worth a try. Atleast it didnt cost me that much in the end.
Snoopy you said yours is in Friday, will be interesting to see what they come up with on your car. I will post all the info on here that I get on my paperwork when I pick the car up later.
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Thanks. Any additional info you may have I could give them, part number etc would be great.
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Well Snoopy here is the info on what the dealer replaced,
Tube £15.63- V06J1013213
Separator £53.65- VO6H103495
all it said on the info was, found leak replacds crank breather and breather pipe. Not sure if the separator was the whole fine oil separator. Will have to run it abit longer to make sure it is all ok, but so far so good.
Good luck on Friday
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Thanks, for the info I'm going to add it to the info I supply them on friday :evil:
fingers crossed we all get it fixed. :undecided:
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Im going to draft a letter this weekend to VW UK about this issue, including the way the garage i dealt with in may dismissed the problem as "nothing to worry about". I was in warranty then, so it could have been sorted at no cost to me, which is the most annoying thing.
Ill be sure to add the link to this thread, as it seems alot of people are beginning to have very similar problems. Im pretty sure there will be alot of GTI owners out there that haven't realised they have this problem yet.
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Tube £15.63- V06J1013213 is that correct or is it 06J103213 ?
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Ill check that number later, i may have written it down wrong
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Snoopy you got it right, i put an extra number in originally for some reason
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Thanks just writing my info for the dealer at this moment. :smiley:
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Lets hope its pretty straight forward, are you still in warranty?
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Yes just.
If it was not i would be doing it as i use to do this sort of stuff years ago.
Just fixed our Ibiza for example, new cat, CV joint, front dampers, drop links, EGR valve clean, cambelt and main service.
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Well,
Collected the car, they have done a "temporary repair" and ordered in the air intake pipe (i asked what exactly she.just showed me it said air feed intake pipe) so it needs to go back in next wednesday for that fitting. :undecided:
Car stunk of oil on way home, heater on made it worse so had to turn that off. :undecided:
So the GTI will be parked up again till next wednesday and the trusty SEAT leon used again.
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so the turbo etc is all ok then?
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Hope you get it sorted. Mine is going in for a service on Monday so I'll ask them to double check that the leak hasn't come back. Fingers crossed (again).
Matt
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Hope so Ken, think its just those two pipes a poor join leaking oil down the back of the engine and onto the turbo.
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hopefully so - if thats the case its no major fix at all.
so are you going to use the car at all in the mean time?
let us know what happens.
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No its in my garage till Wednesday, its back in to vw on Wed morning and I also have my Leon I can use, plus I have snow tyres for the Leon. :grin: The idea for the GTI was always to lay it up in winter months and use something else to commute with but once they say the GTI is fixed I will have no choice but use it for a while to see if its ok before the warrenty runs out.
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Glad they found the problem, ill have a good check of mine today to make sure the leak hasnt come back
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No its in my garage till Wednesday, its back in to vw on Wed morning and I also have my Leon I can use, plus I have snow tyres for the Leon. :grin: The idea for the GTI was always to lay it up in winter months and use something else to commute with but once they say the GTI is fixed I will have no choice but use it for a while to see if its ok before the warrenty runs out.
its going to need a good blast out somewhere when you get it sorted! its sat most of the year now so will be needing a sound thrashing to blow off the cobwebs!
by the way what wheels/snow tyres have you got?
my mate is selling his leon FR so im buying either his OEM 17" wheels or his 18" TD pro race 1.2's (would rather have the SEAT wheels) and will fit them to the Altea and use the current altea wheels for winter wheels for mine.
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Another set of alloys that are the same that are on it I got off gumtree. Had fitted with 205 55 16 nankang tyres which were 50 each. I normally go for Vredestein but there 80 each and I don't know how long I'm going to keep the Leon.
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Well so far so good, 1 week since the leak was fixed and no sign off it coming back. Hopefully all sorted now, lets get ready to be REVO'd and Milltek'd.
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Mine went into the dealer today for a service and they double checked the area for any signs of the oil leak returning - all looks ok still. Time for remap I think.............
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Good to hear, by the sounds of it my dealers only replacing the larger air intake pipe :sad: not both :undecided: I wait to see what the outcome is. I was wanting to lay it up for the winter but looks like im going to have to run it to find out if its fixed before the warrenty runs out.
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Despite saying that they were going to change a couple of pipes on mine, only the large air intake pipe appeared on the invoice, so make of that what you will..... Now 2,500 miles since fix and no sign of the oil leak returning (I check it every week).
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Thanks for that. Makes me a bit less concerned. I wait too see what gets changed on Wednesday.
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There seems to be more and more people by the day having the same problem, cant nelieve the dealers arent aware of this one by now.
Im putting together my letter and all the info i have this weekend to send to VW UK, i was out of warranty when mine got sorted, even though something was picked up in warranty, but was brushed off as just normal by the dealer. Unfortunately not the same dealer as fixed the prob as i had moved house.
So £227 out of my pocket, lets see what VW UK have to say.
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Main air intake pipe changed. Wait and see if that fixes it, I hope so.
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Well i had an interesting call from VW UK today after i wrote to them with all the info on my oil leak. It was very promising that i will get the cost of the repair back, they are just waiting for abit more info from the garage who carried out the repair, they will call be back early next week.
Hopefully if i get my money back it can go straight on paying for my coolant leak, which i am now booking in to be looked at.
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Good luck.
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A week and a bit later touch wood the oil leak on the pipe seems to be dry but not had chance to open it up.commmuting miles only so far in 99% 30 zones.
Will clean off any oil on turbo etc at the weekend when I can get it on the lift. As I smell oil every so often.
Have noticed sometimes at certain revs, half throttle and accelerating through around 3500 to 4000 a high pitch whissle it then dulls down and sounds more like a turbo spooling to 5500.
I've heard this before but ONLY on a mk6 with an induction kit on. :undecided: odd.
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Glad your leak hasn't returned Snoopy, 2 weeks now and mine seems fine, gave the car a couple of good blasts this weekend and all seems ok. Lets hope it stays that way, still waiting for VW to call back hopefully to tell me they are going to reimburse the cost of the repair.
Ill keep my fingers crossed, im still keeping my eye on my suspected coolant leak. Its dead on the minimum line now so can really see if it drops anymore. Going to give it until Friday to see if its moved, then will see about booking it in.
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A week and a bit later touch wood the oil leak on the pipe seems to be dry but not had chance to open it up.commmuting miles only so far in 99% 30 zones.
Will clean off any oil on turbo etc at the weekend when I can get it on the lift. As I smell oil every so often.
Have noticed sometimes at certain revs, half throttle and accelerating through around 3500 to 4000 a high pitch whissle it then dulls down and sounds more like a turbo spooling to 5500.
I've heard this before but ONLY on a mk6 with an induction kit on. :undecided: odd.
try loosening off the clamps on the flexi pipe coming from the air box and just turn it to either side. i tried this when i had my intake fitted and it did reduce the strange noises i had.
its as if the flexi pipe makes resonance if it isnt aligned properly.
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Thanks mate will try that at the weekend. Must admit I'm tempted to have it rolling roaded just to make sure everthing is working as it should before the warrenty runs out in march.
Eyeballpaul
Best of luck I hope its not the water pump as I bet that's quite a job on the mk6 it was on my mk1 Leon the other week.
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VW have agreed to reimburse me 40% of the cost of the repair, not great but better than nothing. They said the original diagnosis when it was in warranty was correct, as you get as he put it "oil misting and some droplets in the area are normal"
I do find that hard to believe, but there we go.
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Well after 4 weeks of checking my oil leak after it was fixed it has all been fine,until yesterday when i checked and the leak is back in exactly the same place. So back to the dealers againto see whats going on.
I swear my car is cursed, was driving yesterday with all the family in it and someone pulled out on me when i was overtaking, so i now have a big scrape down the whole passenger side of the car. Smething else to sort out now.
But atleast the coolant leak seems to be fixed, and noone was hurt in the scrape we had.
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Not good on either counts. :cry:
I had hoped this would have fixed the leak. :sad:
Mine after 2 weeks ~300 miles is dry round the intake pipes. I just checked it yesterday infact. I dont know about what the turbo is like as I've been unable to get it on the lift to check. I had hoped to run it longer but its been parked up the past few weeks due to local weather (floods, now sheet ice and snow) so been using the other car.
A split diverter valve can also cause oil vapour round the turbo from what I've read.
But If its the pipes again I don't see why the air pipes should leak oil if they do then they leak air and if they are leaking air then its after the air flow sensor so that's going to screw all the ecu calculations up.
PS it's easy to remove the diverter valve just one plug and 3 bolts. Then check the diaphragm is not split.
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Cheers Snoopy, it going back into the garage, i paid £350 for this repair as im out of warranty so im going to make sure the garage sort it properly. Obviously something else on the system is causing the seal to fail, so there is an over pressure somewhere
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Sorry to hear that your leak has returned :sad: On reading this I went out and checked mine. 3,200 miles since repair and no sign of leak returning. I think they only changed the air intake on mine and I suspect this is the documented fix for this problem. Might be worth looking at your invoice to see whether they changed that part on yours...
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They changed the air intake pipe and part of the fine oil seperator, but i guess something else is causing the proble. So i will see what they have to say tomorrow.
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Well im booked in for next Monday, i cant get the car in before them as im working away from home this week,im getting abit sick of driving to the dealers at the moment, one thing after another.
Lets see what they find this time, ill be sure to show them this thread.
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Open the bonnet...Start the car....Goto the top of the engine and loosen the oil filler cap and lift it up slightly....Do the revs drop for about a second before recovering?
Others that may cause the oil leak.
Fine oil seperator/PCV valve.
Diverter valve.
Turbo.
Breather pipe blocked.
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Ill do that check on Friday when i get home to the car
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I ment to say then refit cap :wink: :grin: within a few seconds.
If the revs don't drop (sounds like its going to stall) then recover it has a breathing pressure issue on the crankcase ventilation system. Either the PCV valve, fine oil separator or the oil separator in the sump are not working properly. (see my very early posts about how the system works)
Im guessing they just renewed both pipes i talked about earlier. The one from the small oil separator and the air intake pipe but not the fine oil separator itself as thats an expensive part.
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Snoopy, I think your exactly right, the cause of the problem has not been sorted so the seal has failed again, will have a good chat with the technician on Monday,
thanks for the advice, atleast I can go armed with some good info.
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Well round 2 starts at the dealers tomorrow, to see if they can solve the leak this time, and find the route of the problem instead of just changing some pipes.
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good luck. :undecided:
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Well i told them to keep it until it was properly fixed so heard nothing back today from the dealers. I showed the technition the problem, different guy this time, was the one who changed my water pump.
I mentioned all the info off this forum so we shall see.
Snoopy , i tried the oil cap off test. The engine nearly stalled then just ran rough for a few secs before i replaced the cap.
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Interesting! I had the oil leak as well and the dealer replaced the main intake pipe. When i tried the oil cap test, my car just ran normally with the cap off! I wonder what this means!
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Im not sure, seems abit 50/50 as to how it runs. Well i will see what they replace this time.
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Interesting! I had the oil leak as well and the dealer replaced the main intake pipe. When i tried the oil cap test, my car just ran normally with the cap off! I wonder what this means!
read my earlier links to the Mk5 forum.
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Hi Snoopy. I read your link to the mk5 forum. The setup on the mk6 GTI engine is different so i'm not sure it applies. The author also says that "if the car carrys on running normally then the PCV valve is knackered (or so the saying goes)". I've looked elsewhere on the net and can't find anything similar for the mk6 (quite a few pages on the mk5 pcv though). I do agree though, that just replacing the intake pipe might be covering up the sympton and the oil is just being burnt by the engine. When i showed the VW technician that the engine ran normally with the cap off he wasn't surprised but i know that doesn't mean much!
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I had a call from my VW dealer today about my car, they were raising something with VW to investigate, sure they did this last time it was in for the same thing. So god knows what they will do this time, when the guy called me he asked if the car was chipped, never has been, although i was about to get it done until the oil leak reappeared, something he had to ask before he raised the case with VW UK he said.
So i am now driving around in a 1.2 Polo, makes you appreciate how good the GTI is, when something isn't leaking that is.
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Got my car back today, all they have done is changed the same small pipe again that the seal failed on last time. So it has taken them a week to speak to VW UK and al they have ended up doing is a 1 hour job this morning.
Im not convinced this is the route of the problem, but i have already arranged a part ex deal for a John Cooper Works on the 12 Jan. I cant be bothered going round in circles with this problem.
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i must admit i cant blame you
nothing worse than going back and forth to the dealers with problems on a new car.
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So over the past few weeks I have been noticing small irregular RPM at idle and small loss in power. So i popped the hood, engine cover off, and spotted oil near the filler cap and PCV valve.
So did the classic check, remove the dip stick whilst engine is running, didn't even flinch a bit, which in my past MK5 GTI means the PCV valve is shot.
Sent the pictures and a short email to my dealers and they confirmed Yes, its probably a PCV failure, got in next day to have it replaced under warranty. Only took them 20 mins to fit the new and off i went. It has instantly removed the irregular Rpms and full power and boost has resumed. So gave the engine bay a quick detail to remove all the old leaking oil. Now looking pretty good for a 5 year old engine bay.
You can see all the leaking Oil
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/rocketrossuk/bb85a4de-461c-4381-a054-75fc5cd315cf_zps358522e2.jpg)
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Now all cleaned up and looking tons better
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59 plate GTI , leak coming from near Turbo , dealer has suggested sealing it up the leak somehow or else replacing the turbo , they said the would usually do this before replacing the turbo as it's cheaper !
Anyone head of this course of action ?
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Smell like bullsh!t.
Where abouts near the turbo?, do you have a picture.
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Oh fiddle sticks its back! :sad:
Just on this pipe though. (Better pic of pipe on page 1 of original leak)
cleaned the oil off it 2 weeks ago and its back again. :sad:
So need to pull the diverter valve to have a look.
May actually be this pipe built in mounting bracket causing the pipe to weep. (Most likely cause)
Anyone know the part number for this pipe and cost?
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So over the past few weeks I have been noticing small irregular RPM at idle and small loss in power. So i popped the hood, engine cover off, and spotted oil near the filler cap and PCV valve.
So did the classic check, remove the dip stick whilst engine is running, didn't even flinch a bit, which in my past MK5 GTI means the PCV valve is shot.
Sent the pictures and a short email to my dealers and they confirmed Yes, its probably a PCV failure, got in next day to have it replaced under warranty. Only took them 20 mins to fit the new and off i went. It has instantly removed the irregular Rpms and full power and boost has resumed. So gave the engine bay a quick detail to remove all the old leaking oil. Now looking pretty good for a 5 year old engine bay.
You can see all the leaking Oil
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/rocketrossuk/bb85a4de-461c-4381-a054-75fc5cd315cf_zps358522e2.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/rocketrossuk/IMG_1326_zpsc5bbe9f7.jpg)
Now all cleaned up and looking tons better
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/rocketrossuk/e801842e-4cb2-4b1b-8160-83233f1e3541_zps1209652a.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/rocketrossuk/IMG_1341_zps782fca1f.jpg)
After a bit of help i have got oil around the intake pipe and been getting spluttering at low rpm but i have done the oil cap test and my revs are dropping is this my pcv or something else???
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VW picked notified me of an oil leak near the turbo that they found whilst carrying out the MOT said it needs investigating.
I've not had chance yet to have a look but will try this week.
If I have to pay for this how much roughly are we talking? :cry: :cry:
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VW picked notified me of an oil leak near the turbo that they found whilst carrying out the MOT said it needs investigating.
I've not had chance yet to have a look but will try this week.
If I have to pay for this how much roughly are we talking? :cry: :cry:
Get them to show you before you do anything. Most small oil leaks on the TSI engine are easy to fix.
Usually a worn DV Valve, worn PCV valve, or a the breather hose on the intake needs securing on properly.
Give us more info when you have it. PS an indy garage will charge you about £30-£40 to have a look for you.
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VW picked notified me of an oil leak near the turbo that they found whilst carrying out the MOT said it needs investigating.
I've not had chance yet to have a look but will try this week.
If I have to pay for this how much roughly are we talking? :cry: :cry:
Get them to show you before you do anything. Most small oil leaks on the TSI engine are easy to fix.
Usually a worn DV Valve, worn PCV valve, or a the breather hose on the intake needs securing on properly.
Give us more info when you have it. PS an indy garage will charge you about £30-£40 to have a look for you.
VW wanted me to book it in for further investigation but think I will take it to a local Indy first. Will let you know what they say