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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: gman86 on 12 March 2012, 14:52
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Superchips / Bluefin have always been the 'tamer' of all the maps out there, and with Kenny recently getting 300bhp from his, it seemed like that's the very limit for power ...
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/GolfMk6GTi%20Stage2.pdf
295bhp?! Not bad...
I called them and they said the only supporting mods the car had were an intake and turbo back - intercooler wasn't touched.
Thoughts?
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Original BHP looks a little high for a stock GTI?!?!?
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Original BHP looks a little high for a stock GTI?!?!?
I think the stock value in that picture is post Stage 1 remap. I have a Stage 1 Bluefin and I have to say its superb, very OEM feel.
I have considered the Superchips stage 2 but if I wanted that sort of power that torque steers the car everywhere I'd have got a different car.
Jim
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Have you driven the car with that sort of power? They claim it still has a very OEM feel about the power delivery, and it drives very well.
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Have you driven the car with that sort of power? They claim it still has a very OEM feel about the power delivery, and it drives very well.
No but I've driven a Focus RS!!! :evil:
Jim
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Original BHP looks a little high for a stock GTI?!?!?
Hmm, may be the dyno they use? I have an article on the Superchips remap for the ED30 using Bluefin, std power quoted at 244BHP and stage 1 map at 307BHP so these look high too?
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Original BHP looks a little high for a stock GTI?!?!?
Hmm, may be the dyno they use? I have an article on the Superchips remap for the ED30 using Bluefin, std power quoted at 244BHP and stage 1 map at 307BHP so these look high too?
It's not their dyno, it's the BHP after their Stage 1 Remap.
Jim
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Original BHP looks a little high for a stock GTI?!?!?
Hmm, may be the dyno they use? I have an article on the Superchips remap for the ED30 using Bluefin, std power quoted at 244BHP and stage 1 map at 307BHP so these look high too?
It's not their dyno, it's the BHP after their Stage 1 Remap.
Jim
OK thanks, on that basis then std ED30/35 is very similar power to Bluefin stage 1 GTI map.
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Really? I thought Bluefin gets 275+ on the ED30/35?
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/Golf%20GTI%20RR%20Day%2003%2010%2009/Dyno%20Graphs/SNS.gif
281BHP with a stage one and a cat-back.
Jim
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Looking at that torque graph and figure looks more standard than stage 1 if it is stage 1 torque its low.
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Looking at that torque graph and figure looks more standard than stage 1 if it is stage 1 torque its low.
If you're right mate, then they are having a laugh at 249BHP stock BHP.
Jim
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This is their Stage 1 map
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/GolfMk6GTi%20Stage1.pdf
It's all very confusing. They claim 249bhp for a standard GTI and 274bhp with their map, yet quote a 44bhp increase. It doesn't make sense to me?
If you read this http://www.superchips.co.uk/roadtest/Superchips%20Stealth%20Black%20MK6%20Golf%20GTI.pdf
it says, "Interestingly, in all the dyno testing that Superchips has carried out on the standard Mk 6 GTI, they’ve found the actual figures to be substantially higher than the factory claims. This particular car clocked no less than 249 bhp at 6651 rpm and 307 Nm at 5167 rpm. For a car which is rated at 210 PS (207 bhp) and 280 Nm, according to the official factory figures, that’s already pretty healthy"
So they do indeed quote 249 bhp as STANDARD NOT Stage 1. So therefore their Stage 2 is looking @ 46 bhp increase according to that. Not so good anymore? :tongue:
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the dyno room evo magazine said they always find GTI's produce over what VW say. 230 bhp or something i can't remember.
in the same article they also say the megane 250 puts out about 270 or something but the 300bhp RS focus is actually 280 or something - they haven't run one with the full 300bhp yet apparently.
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This is their Stage 1 map
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/GolfMk6GTi%20Stage1.pdf
It's all very confusing. They claim 249bhp for a standard GTI and 274bhp with their map, yet quote a 44bhp increase. It doesn't make sense to me?
If you read this http://www.superchips.co.uk/roadtest/Superchips%20Stealth%20Black%20MK6%20Golf%20GTI.pdf
it says, "Interestingly, in all the dyno testing that Superchips has carried out on the standard Mk 6 GTI, they’ve found the actual figures to be substantially higher than the factory claims. This particular car clocked no less than 249 bhp at 6651 rpm and 307 Nm at 5167 rpm. For a car which is rated at 210 PS (207 bhp) and 280 Nm, according to the official factory figures, that’s already pretty healthy"
So they do indeed quote 249 bhp as STANDARD NOT Stage 1. So therefore their Stage 2 is looking @ 46 bhp increase according to that. Not so good anymore? :tongue:
they quote gains of 44bhp @ 4743rpm so they're saying mid range is big gains. thats not at peak power though
peak power gains of 25bhp @6170rpm so the big figure of 274bhp is max output at high rpm.
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And this is why I want to see yours on a dyno dynamic rolling road.
I may even do mine for comparison
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I'm taking it to PDT on a rolling road day soon so will get a figure then.
44bhp in the mid range is probably fairly accurate i would say. it certainly feels it. 25bhp at the top end is believable too as it it seems to tail off a bit but is more the OEM. the top end OEM tails off a lot more. the mid range is definitely healthier with the bluefin.
had it out last night and the night before and it felt rapid but had it out today and didn't feel quite as quick so the GTI really likes the cold air!
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This is their Stage 1 map
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/GolfMk6GTi%20Stage1.pdf
It's all very confusing. They claim 249bhp for a standard GTI and 274bhp with their map, yet quote a 44bhp increase. It doesn't make sense to me?
If you read this http://www.superchips.co.uk/roadtest/Superchips%20Stealth%20Black%20MK6%20Golf%20GTI.pdf
it says, "Interestingly, in all the dyno testing that Superchips has carried out on the standard Mk 6 GTI, they’ve found the actual figures to be substantially higher than the factory claims. This particular car clocked no less than 249 bhp at 6651 rpm and 307 Nm at 5167 rpm. For a car which is rated at 210 PS (207 bhp) and 280 Nm, according to the official factory figures, that’s already pretty healthy"
So they do indeed quote 249 bhp as STANDARD NOT Stage 1. So therefore their Stage 2 is looking @ 46 bhp increase according to that. Not so good anymore? :tongue:
they quote gains of 44bhp @ 4743rpm so they're saying mid range is big gains. thats not at peak power though
peak power gains of 25bhp @6170rpm so the big figure of 274bhp is max output at high rpm.
Ahhh that's right......... didn't see that, thanks!
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There's nothing oem about stage 2 on the gti trust me on that
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And this is why I want to see yours on a dyno dynamic rolling road.
I may even do mine for comparison
Exactly!
I had mine on one as stock and it made exactly 209bhp. remap was a different story. I would ignore headline figures and take the gains and add them to 210 to get your real figure if you are that interested. :cool:
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i reverted back to standard map today to try something out with the car and all i can say is it felt like i was driving everywhere with the handbrake stuck on or something.
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new modified map received from SC today to try.
i wanted to smooth out the mid range and it seems to have worked so well pleased.
can't beat superchips customer service.
going to run it on the dyne at PDT to see how its running. :cool:
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Would have been nice to see the previous one as its probably the one I would have considered.
Guessing the new one takes into account your airfilter and exhaust
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well the 'normal' map probably won't make any difference in power but for my car it just felt slightly out.
i just noticed that from 2600-3200rpm the engine would feel slightly hesitant or laboured then take off again at 3200rpm.
my dad reckoned it was turbo lag but i wasn't sure. it seems to be gone now anyway.
i felt this slight 'holding back' or hesitation before the exhaust and filter were fitted but the intake seemed to make this more noticeable - though it was VERY slight i though i might as well try a new map.
i think they reduced boost pressure slightly in this rev range but it seems to have smoothed it out and in reality feels quicker as its pulling better, not holding back then surging.
i spoke to PDT and they will run my car on the dyno and can find out exactly how its boosting/fuelling and advise me on where the map could be made better but it feels better now. i would say it was 90% there in the first place, i just wanted it as good as possible.
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by the way thats the reason i ran the standard map yesterday was just to double check there was no lag as standard and there isn't.
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new modified map received from SC today to try.
i wanted to smooth out the mid range and it seems to have worked so well pleased.
can't beat superchips customer service.
going to run it on the dyne at PDT to see how its running. :cool:
What modified map did you receive? The very latest Stage 2 that they've just release?
Jim
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No I just asked them to tweak it and they then make it available to download with the handset.
If you think it can be improved or have any issues just explain to them andthe twill tweak the map for you
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Ah right, when i first got my map they sent me the wrong map as it was for the manual and there was a bad flat spot, called them and they resent me the DSG map and it's great, I want the new and improved stage 2 but don't want to spend money on a turbo back exhaust and an intake system :embarassed:
Jim
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you could run a stage 2 map with just a down pipe if you wanted. you don't have to fit the cat back too but i think a down pipe would cause issues with the warranty.
i was at PDT the other day and they said the down pipe on the gti is really restrictive and you get massive gains changing it out but I'm not planing on doing mine just yet
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you could run a stage 2 map with just a down pipe if you wanted. you don't have to fit the cat back too but i think a down pipe would cause issues with the warranty.
i was at PDT the other day and they said the down pipe on the gti is really restrictive and you get massive gains changing it out but I'm not planing on doing mine just yet
Yeah, I don't think I'll do mine, I will only have my car for another 6-12 months so it's not worth it.
Jim
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nvm..
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Mkviken's superchip map seems very linear and smooth from tick over to redline. A very nice drive much nicer than my standard car. All his modifications have made a supple difference but not upset the original car feel or refinment.
A much nicer drive than mine.
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Thanks for that :smiley: if you want another test drive to try the remap etc your very welcome.
Like I said before the paint is so thin on mine it must weigh less than yours!
I think the best mod for the money has to be the remap or the Audi short shifter. For £25 or so it makes a big difference.