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Title: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: richie2480 on 22 February 2012, 17:58
Hi all, If you haven't seen on my Project Post, got the results from the initial rolling road on my 16v engine with flowed head:

180bhp   :grin: :evil:

Really impressed. Was only expecting about 160'ish bhp. Hopefully I will be pickiing car up on Saturday now and not today as planned.
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: clipperjay on 22 February 2012, 18:18
Sort out a signature so its easier for others to find your project page!
Con grats on power!
Now super charge it! :evil:
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: richie2480 on 22 February 2012, 19:59
How do I do that?
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: lemski on 22 February 2012, 20:07
twin screw supercharger kit. 2500 pound
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: richie2480 on 22 February 2012, 20:13
NO!! How do I do the signature thing  :rolleyes:. What do I want a charger for. 180bhp is than enough thanks very much.
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: lemski on 22 February 2012, 20:21
yeh  bu charging it would make it so much better
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: clipperjay on 22 February 2012, 21:01
NO!! How do I do the signature thing  :rolleyes:. What do I want a charger for. 180bhp is than enough thanks very much.
As liam said, its never enough power 210BHP thats a target  :grin:

Ask it in general chat and see if anyone can do you a sig you like!
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: smiffy555 on 22 February 2012, 21:12
Hi all, If you haven't seen on my Project Post, got the results from the initial rolling road on my 16v engine with flowed head:

180bhp   :grin: :evil:

Really impressed. Was only expecting about 160'ish bhp. Hopefully I will be pickiing car up on Saturday now and not today as planned.

Good old CFM Engineering!!!  :smiley:
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: The Mighty Elvi on 22 February 2012, 21:16
POWER is nothing without control.*




Thanks to Pirelli for that.







Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: richie2480 on 22 February 2012, 22:38
yeh  bu charging it would make it so much better

Lemski, It already is so much better!!

As liam said, its never enough power 210BHP thats a target  grin

Ask it in general chat and see if anyone can do you a sig you like!

Clipper, Rob did say he could probably get more out of her but I want her to be driveable and 180 is plenty  :nerd:

Good old CFM Engineering!!!  smiley

Dan, Guess it's not a secret anymore. Do you know Rob?

POWER is nothing without control.*

Elvi, Oh so very true!


Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: richie2480 on 26 February 2012, 11:26
OK, Bit of a delay   :cry:. The fuel pump accumulator has given up the ghost and so that is going to need replacing. Looks like I'm going to have to wait a few days more before I can collect. Rob has told me engine is fine, just need to sort accumulator.
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: richie2480 on 01 March 2012, 20:38
OK, Picked car up today. Very happy indeed. Rob took me around the car to show me everything connected up. Went out for a test drive with him. She's fine. Had a chat with Rob about running in and what oil to use etc. Rob said she's ready to be ragged, but I'm not going to, and any quality 10w40 semi synth oil. He did say to run the car for a couple of thousand miles, take her back and he will re-run her on rolling road and re-tune her. I've got printouts of rolling roads:

181bhp/159.5ft/lbs torque at the flywheel

(http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee383/richie1893/001.jpg)

171.1bhp/153ft/lbs torque at the wheels (sorry about pic can't get it to rotate on Photobucket)

(http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee383/richie1893/003.jpg)

Overall I am very happy. Now got a lovely Golf with a new engine and flowed head, newly replaced fuelling system (everything new less the pump in the fuel tank) and a  re-built gearbox. I'm going to keep her a week before I tell all on the workshop. Now that engine is done, she needs a good clean. I now need to decide on gold bolts or not for my RS's.  Spring is coming!!!
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: rob.043 on 02 March 2012, 11:47
Nice graphs- that looks like a sweet torque curve!  :evil:
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: mk2bal on 02 March 2012, 14:21
Can't see the graphs as on my phone but how have you got 10bhp transmission losses? More like 25odd bhp on an 020 box?...
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: richie2480 on 02 March 2012, 20:38
When Rob explained to me the 2 readings. He did mention something about approx 10bhp loss between flywheel and the wheels so yeh 10bhp loss.
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: danny_p on 03 March 2012, 00:08
10 bhp transmitin loss   your gearbox is bloody good 
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: mk2bal on 03 March 2012, 11:08
Nah its bollocks. Your tire pressures can cause that much of a loss, no way the whole assembly from flywheel to tires has lost just 10. Take it elsewhere to see how good, and honest this 'rob' is I reckon...
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: richie2480 on 03 March 2012, 17:48
10 bhp transmitin loss   your gearbox is bloody good 

Yeh the gearbox was rebuilt. Well replaced. Waiting time for gearbox spares was going to tale too long to re-build mine. Rob had built a gearbox to put in his Golf so he gave me his and will rebuild mine to put in his Golf. If it's good enough to go in his Golf it's good enough to go in mine :smiley:.
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: richie2480 on 03 March 2012, 17:52
Nah its nuts. Your tire pressures can cause that much of a loss, no way the whole assembly from flywheel to tires has lost just 10. Take it elsewhere to see how good, and honest this 'rob' is I reckon...

Well whatever it is I am happy. Don't know what you mean by Rob being honest! He is and if that is what he says readings are then that's what readings are. Rob has told me to bring car back in after a couple of thousand miles for a re-run on rolling road and carry out any adjustments needed.
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: smiffy555 on 03 March 2012, 20:06
That brilliant news.

Did he tell you what was wrong with the 'old' engine.......how worn was it?

Tell us what what wrong with the grearbox to warrant you getting it replaced?

Does it go like stink now?
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: richie2480 on 05 March 2012, 19:26
That brilliant news.

Did he tell you what was wrong with the 'old' engine.......how worn was it?

Tell us what what wrong with the grearbox to warrant you getting it replaced?

Does it go like stink now?

  There was nothing wrong with the old engine. It was high mileage so I decided to have engine stripped, overhauled and rebuilt. Any parts that needed replacing were replaced. Any parts that didn't were cleaned and painted. Pistons were replaced, but because standard GTi pistons are no longer available they were replaced with Wossner pistons. These took engine closer to 1800cc. Cylinder head was flowed as I wanted a little more power/acceleration.
  The reasons for the gear box replacement were:
1. Bearings in the diff output shaft were shot. Rob showed me the excess play on mine and then showed me his rebuilt gearbox where there was no play at all.
2. There were chunks missing on 2nd and 3rd gear splines. Not drastic but as gearbox was apart might as well replace them.
3. Something wrong with reverse, but can't remember what.
Rob was going to order the parts in and replace them. He was on a tight timeline due to other cars waiting. He offered to give me his gearbox that he had already rebuilt, same again any parts that needed replacing were replaced, and he would keep mine to rebuild at a later date. I was happy with that. If he's prepared to fit it in his car he can fit it in mine.

Does she go like stink? If I want her to, yes :evil:.

The main reason for all the work was to extend her life. I could have waited till engine had given up and then fitted another engine but I always wanted to keep original parts, or as much as possible. Well, with newly rebuilt engine and newly rebuilt gearbox she should keep going for a few donkeys more.
Title: Re: My Mk2 16v Engine Overhaul
Post by: richie2480 on 15 March 2012, 18:39
That brilliant news.

Did he tell you what was wrong with the 'old' engine.......how worn was it?

Tell us what what wrong with the grearbox to warrant you getting it replaced?

Does it go like stink now?

  There was nothing wrong with the old engine. It was high mileage so I decided to have engine stripped, overhauled and rebuilt. Any parts that needed replacing were replaced. Any parts that didn't were cleaned and painted. Pistons were replaced, but because standard GTi pistons are no longer available they were replaced with Wossner pistons. These took engine closer to 1800cc. Cylinder head was flowed as I wanted a little more power/acceleration.
  The reasons for the gear box replacement were:
1. Bearings in the diff output shaft were shot. Rob showed me the excess play on mine and then showed me his rebuilt gearbox where there was no play at all.
2. There were chunks missing on 2nd and 3rd gear splines. Not drastic but as gearbox was apart might as well replace them.
3. Something wrong with reverse, but can't remember what.
Rob was going to order the parts in and replace them. He was on a tight timeline due to other cars waiting. He offered to give me his gearbox that he had already rebuilt, same again any parts that needed replacing were replaced, and he would keep mine to rebuild at a later date. I was happy with that. If he's prepared to fit it in his car he can fit it in mine.

Does she go like stink? If I want her to, yes :evil:.

The main reason for all the work was to extend her life. I could have waited till engine had given up and then fitted another engine but I always wanted to keep original parts, or as much as possible. Well, with newly rebuilt engine and newly rebuilt gearbox she should keep going for a few donkeys more.

Ok, for anyone who doesn't know, I had the car done at CFM Engineering in Reading.
http://www.cfmengineering.co.uk/
http://www.facebook.com/CFMEngineering
A small company co-owned by Mark and Rob. Rob is the guy did the work on my engine and gearbox. If you thinking about having some work done on your engine give them a call. Just mention my name, Richard Lewis with the white GTi.