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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Dave_IOW on 19 February 2012, 16:20
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So transferring my lump across hopefully to new shell, what else needs to go?
Clocks
Ecu
Engine
Door locks
Anything else?
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howcome your putting it into a new shell?
and off the top of my head there the only things i can think of, poss engine loom and gear box depending on what model the shell is.
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interior etc?
what you planning boyo! :grin:
bigger turbo etc :wink:
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4mo I reckon
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what u up2 dave
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No not 4mo unfortunately but does involve a freshly resprayed shell, and its not blue :sad:
Interior as it stands is bare, not entirely sure how much of mine will be going in there..
001 will be strapped in in the process :wink:
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uho :cool:
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What else is inferior on a 1.4 shell to a 1.8t?
Front hubs done and breaks already..
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bora shell :laugh: :laugh: :cool: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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I know what it is now...
Don't think there is much else you need to change mate, all the other stuff is the same AFAIK
You know black is a biatch to keep clean don't you :wink:
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Daz, you couldn't be barking up more of a wrong tree lol...
Wes, I've been sussed lol
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:laugh: :laugh:
good luck with watever ya doing tho :smiley:
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Cheers Daz mate, going to need all I can get, let's just say its going to be smoooth!
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ash is the guy to ask if its goin from a 1.4
windy window spec :cool:
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They will stay I expect, no motor to weigh me down lol
Mk4's don't seem to be worth anything anymore, what's the point in all the fancy bits, added weight and no extra value!
I've done luxury before, at 17 I had a mk2 fiesta :grin:
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i guess ur right, you can pick up a half decent one for about a grand now :embarassed:
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without the wheels mind :grin:
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without the wheels mind :grin:
You know too much :laugh:
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Helps that I've seen the advert on ED38 :wink:
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I dont see much smooths aprt from the boot? And the rubstrip all the way through :/
And obviously its black!!
But thats alot of f**king about to have a bit of smoth, surley eisier to do the bits to yours?
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Ariel, rubstrip, boot, side vents, rear bumper recess been changed..
Its more the fact that mine is a dog and this has come up relatively cheap :wink:
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It all comes down to price n how much you can do ur self i guess
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you gonna be selling your front bumper Dave?
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I will be yes, thought that you didn't want to go r32 front mate?
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Still seems a lot of work when you could smooth yours :undecided:
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I'm always open to ideas :grin:
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just spend the money on your bumpers and a respray etc dave.... would be more cost effective i would of thought unless the new shell is free :laugh:
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No new shell is not free atall but how much does a total respray cost? 1k upwards unless on mates rates?
Here's my thinking...
New shell £700 with fresh spray job.
Transfer engine, maybe loom, ecu + clocks, door locks.
Then I have r32 rep front to sell, 312mm setup (120+ on eBay), fk coilovers (80?), eibach front arb (60?), set of standard seat alloys (50), angel eyes (70)...
All adds up pretty quick if it sells aswell as all the other bits, doors, bonnet, wings, boot etc..
Am I mad or actually thinking straight for once lol
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Its only a extra £300 to add to get yours done :/ in the frate sheme of things it seems a good idea :/
But im unsure tbh :/
Sell the 312mm???
U got bigger brakes?
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Its only a extra £300 to add to get yours done :/ in the frate sheme of things it seems a good idea :/
But im unsure tbh :/
Sell the 312mm???
U got bigger brakes?
Shell comes with 312mm fronts and 256 vented rears so will have a 312mm setup spare.
The 1k for respray would be blow over i expect, really dont know about this stuff to be honest.
The point i am trying to get at is once i have sold all the bits off i dont need, i would be ending up with a freshly painted shell for about £150 if that, possibly even making money :huh:
Im not usually logical lol, but think ive worked this out right.. :smiley:
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I can see me being busy with this :laugh:
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I can see me being busy with this :laugh:
Might even start this weekend :lipsrsealed:
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Also Wes, up for sponsorship! :laugh: :grin:
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lol first job is get your engine out. Might be worth having a look at the exhaust housing on your K03s and seeing if it's worth swapping it over on the K04-001 :smug:
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What engine is the black one and where do you stand with the dvla and insurance etc.
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Well Wayne, black one has no engine in it atall..
Still registered but sorn.
Insurance wise, would advise of engine change..
Wes, hasn't hot side on ko3s got a smaller turbine wheel in?
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Well Wayne, black one has no engine in it atall..
Insurance wise, would advise of engine change..
Did see it on ed38 and it is a 1.6, just wondered about the insurance as your going from a modified 1.8t to a 1.6 with a engine conversion, you may need an engineers report.
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It's actually registered as a 1.4 on logbook still, which not too keen on but I will be sorting that anyway?
Wouldn't I just ring insurance company when done and tell them what I've done and swap it over?
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Wouldn't I just ring insurance company when done and tell them what I've done and swap it over?
I doubt it will be as simple as that, your going to insuring a 1.4 that has been converted to a 1.8t, they will I suspect ask for an engineers report stating the standard of work that has been carried out.
You might be best asking them first as to do all the work and then find the insurance company start to play silly games would not be clever.
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Wouldn't I just ring insurance company when done and tell them what I've done and swap it over?
I doubt it will be as simple as that, your going to insuring a 1.4 that has been converted to a 1.8t, they will I suspect ask for an engineers report stating the standard of work that has been carried out.
You might be best asking them first as to do all the work and then find the insurance company start to play silly games would not be clever.
Does this not get done thousands of times a year though, people sticking more powerful lumps in?
Haven't heard of an engineers report before :embarassed:
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It makes sence insurance want to know that the car is safe and is going to able to handle the power! Its gonna at least have to be modified car insurance rather just normal insurance with a new add ons.
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is it really all worth it? or am i missing something?.
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Does this not get done thousands of times a year though, people sticking more powerful lumps in?
Yes it does but it might be worth checking what a 1.4 converted to a 1.8t is going to cost against yours now.
Haven't heard of an engineers report before :embarassed:
All depends on the insurance company but lets say the 1.4 was 70bhp and you have now made it 300bhp they are going to want to know if the conversion has been done to high / safe standard.
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Fair enough Wayne, I do understand just never done anything like this so questions need to he asked!
Jaime, my shell is bumped, scratched, bent in urrepairable places, dinged etc..
By the time I have sold my extra bits, I will have a new freshly painted shell for a ton and abit of time!
Head says well worth it, do it, be like a brand new car for next to nothing.
Heart says what the f**k are you doing, all this effort in a car worth a grand!
Decisions...
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Check with theinsurance first mate
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Fair enough Wayne, I do understand just never done anything like this so questions need to he asked!
Jaime, my shell is bumped, scratched, bent in urrepairable places, dinged etc..
By the time I have sold my extra bits, I will have a new freshly painted shell for a ton and abit of time!
Head says well worth it, do it, be like a brand new car for next to nothing.
Heart says what the f**k are you doing, all this effort in a car worth a grand!
Decisions...
Well I think an insurance quote will soon tell you if it is worth it, but to me it seems a lot of work for the gain involved.
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I think all need done is re-register the car with the engine in, and insure it as is, giving the insurance company the reg, they'll look and see 1.8t you go yup, they don't need to know what past life the car has.
Thats like saying you have to declare if you have a bump into your driveway, have to replace the bumper, do it yourself, insurance dont need to know or anything like that.
If you understand what I mean.
Even write-offs, they get a V.I.C test and thats it, nothing about making sure that total wreck is sound etc, thats what M.O.T's are for.
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I think all need done is re-register the car with the engine in, and insure it as is, giving the insurance company the reg, they'll look and see 1.8t you go yup, they don't need to know what past life the car has.
That is not the case, the car is a 1.4 no matter what happens, so it will need a declared engine swap.
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Re-register the car with the bigger engine is what I meant. Then insure it as such.
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That's what I have been thinking all along to be honest! New v5 with correct engine number and size/power then when go to insure it, will already he through on their system!
How much tax a year is it for a 2003 1.8t? Or as engine from 99, would I pay pre 2001 rates? Wishful thinking on the last bit I take it?
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Re-register the car with the bigger engine is what I meant. Then insure it as such.
Does not work like that :sad:
That's what I have been thinking all along to be honest! New v5 with correct engine number and size/power then when go to insure it, will already he through on their system!
If only it was that simple, the DVLA will of course need to know and will update the records to show it is a 1.8t etc but insurance wise you will need to inform them that it has been converted from a 1.4, failing to do so would be illegal, at the end of the day they will check and you will be in deep water if you have not told them.
How much tax a year is it for a 2003 1.8t? Or as engine from 99, would I pay pre 2001 rates? Wishful thinking on the last bit I take it?
Tax would be based on date of 1st reg.
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I'll ask my brother, he does insurance for a living.
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In simple terms, when you have finished the work you will need to write to the DVLA informing of the engine change, they will update the vehicle records and logbook to show the new engine number and code.
This does not mean however that you can then just insure the car as a 1.8t as that would not be declaring the engine swap, at the end of the day the car started life as a 1.4 and you cannot hide or get away from that fact.
It is as simple as that, I am not sure why people cannot see this.
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Maybe look at it a different way
If u had a Ferrari then stuck a golf engine in at end of day it's still a Ferrari :smiley:
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Well spoke to my brother, and he says you do have to declare the engine swap as a modification, and would probably need specialist insurance.
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Maybe look at it a different way
If u had a Ferrari then stuck a golf engine in at end of day it's still a Ferrari :smiley:
This.
You need to look at it with a wider context, as far as the insurers are concerned it will still be a 1.4 Golf but with a 1.8T engine. They won't care that it will just be like 1000s of other 1.8t Golf's on the road, they see it as a car with a non-standard engine in it, just like the example above.
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Maybe look at it a different way
If u had a Ferrari then stuck a golf engine in at end of day it's still a Ferrari :smiley:
This.
You need to look at it with a wider context, as far as the insurers are concerned it will still be a 1.4 Golf but with a 1.8T engine. They won't care that it will just be like 1000s of other 1.8t Golf's on the road, they see it as a car with a non-standard engine in it, just like the example above.
yay i got something right :grin: :grin:
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This is becoming a pain in the arse, not that I would but I can see why thousands keep thier mouth shut and enjoy cheaper tax and insurance..
It's going to be a 1.8t, why can't I insure it as that!
I do get exactly what your saying though, don't feel as if your banging your head against a wall lol
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Right found this..
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?121295
So engineers report only if DOWN sizing.. will have to take it to a garage for them to sign work off as safe, easy, get mot on it, obviously same time and send details off to dvla... Sound about right?
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go see VOSA in Cowes mate :wink:
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i had my golf sighned off when i motd it as it had the 16v dropped init
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So engineers report only if DOWN sizing.. will have to take it to a garage for them to sign work off as safe, easy, get mot on it, obviously same time and send details off to dvla... Sound about right?
All depends on your insurance company, you really need to speak to them and confirm what they need to cover the conversion.
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engineers report is the easy bit, have you got a mate that owns a garage? all you need is for him to write a note saying its in roadworthy condition.
insurance is the biggest pig now tho, it will cost more to insure after the engine change than what a factory 1.8t costs. ive had it happen myself with an old escort, swapped the engine to a diesel and insurance sky rocketed, some companies were even refusing insurance!!!
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Spoke to elephant and all is good, slightly higher premium but nothing to worry about!
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good lad, get on it then :wink:
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Engine in yet? :grin:
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Looking at it tomorrow :cool:
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Spoke to elephant and all is good, slightly higher premium but nothing to worry about!
Do they need a report or anything
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Your crazy dave, surely selling your current car and buying a new golf would be cheaper :grin:
I just hate how the mk4 has devalued, what 3 years ago they were 4k easy, now 1.5-2k for a good one and most are utter rubbish and slow for a less proce :sad: Yet the AGU is a good car and you do stand to loose a bit by changing cars especially the attachment you make with some cars, in particularly when they are reliable.
Thought with DVLA you fill a form, supply evidence of conversion etc and sometimes they request a VIC test for £40 to verify parts where installed with provided details and non stolen parts, but this is more common with write-offs.
I got some long a$$ email from the DVLA where I inquired about engine transplants and kit cars, yet they where useless and left grey area's in a lot of questions and told me F'all regarding engine transplants. All I did learn was the 4.2L audi v8 99reg is only £250 to road tax :grin:
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Not happening now...
The old dog lives on :grin:
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How come??
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Was completely in 2 minds about it, and thought unless I get there and completely fall in live with it, I wasn't going to bother...
It was nice, very nice infact, just didn't 100% convince me. :smiley:
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Better safe that sorry i guess :)
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Going to finally sort ko4 out and get that on and mapped and go from there..
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