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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: rockmonkey69 on 18 February 2012, 14:41
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I'm looking to improve the handling a bit and just wanted to see if anyone is using tubular wishbones and whether you had any issues with the rose joints if you use it on public road.
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I guess few to no run tubular wishbones :cry:
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I dont have tubular wishbones with rose joints myself but I would say that they would be too stiff and proberly shake the car to piece on public roads.
I dont know if you have these already but I would just get polybushes, up rated arb, strut braces and some good coilovers
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I was not sure whether they would be that bad, I was more concerned about the wear.
I have started doing handling mods and have Bilstein B16 pss9 coilovers, compbrake solid top mounts, neuspeed 25mm front antiroll bar, neuspeed 25mm rear antiroll bar, front lower s3 strut brace, front upper strut brace, rear upper strut brace, super pro dog bone mount bush (gearbox bush), powerflex dog bone bush, super pro castor wishbone bushes, super pro wishbone bush, powerflex rear axle bushes, super pro steering rack bush, NEX large piston 4 pot calipers on 13" two piece floating disks with HEL lines everywhere running ATE Super blue brake fluid, 17" rota drift wrapped in Yokohama semi slick tyres and car has been lightened to 1120kg (+/- 20kg)
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:shocked:That is one nice set up, your not going to get much better than that unless you get a weld in roll cage
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It's what some would consider to be a good start, I need to lighten it a bit more, can definitely do more significant weight loss and a better weight distribution. That aside I was looking at, tubular wishbones, solid billet subframe bushings, carbonetic LSD and undercarriage re-inforcement. Just been trying to get some feedback to decide what best to do next after I put my forged 1.8t block back in.
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:laugh: more then a good start haha
Good goin mate :cool:
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I was not sure whether they would be that bad, I was more concerned about the wear.
I have started doing handling mods and have Bilstein B16 pss9 coilovers, compbrake solid top mounts, neuspeed 25mm front antiroll bar, neuspeed 25mm rear antiroll bar, front lower s3 strut brace, front upper strut brace, rear upper strut brace, super pro dog bone mount bush (gearbox bush), powerflex dog bone bush, super pro castor wishbone bushes, super pro wishbone bush, powerflex rear axle bushes, super pro steering rack bush, NEX large piston 4 pot calipers on 13" two piece floating disks with HEL lines everywhere running ATE Super blue brake fluid, 17" rota drift wrapped in Yokohama semi slick tyres and car has been lightened to 1120kg (+/- 20kg)
One hell of a setup already!
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It drives well enough and very flat as there's little flex with plenty of traction, steering is also precise enough but the suspension geometry feels like it changes a bit much for my liking during hard cornering and on exiting corners I feel I have to take off too much steering before I can feed the power in.
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An LSD not help with stability when putting power down on coners.
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An LSD not help with stability when putting power down on coners.
An LSD will put the power down better coming out of corners, I'll be looking at solid bushings for stability in corner.
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An LSD not help with stability when putting power down on coners.
An LSD will put the power down better coming out of corners, I'll be looking at solid bushings for stability in corner.
That is going to be so harsh, poly bushes would be better.
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I wonder just how harsh as I currently have solid billet top mounts and agree they are approaching the limit of what can be called a road car now but I'm thinking they might not be too bad because the oem front bushings on the subframe are solid.
I guess how harsh the ride is - is a very subjective matter and will vary from one driver to another so I'll just have to try it and see. The tubular wishbones is what I'm really keen to know: whether being driven on public roads compromise their reliability significantly. I have heard of other tubular wishbones for other vehicles suffering from damaged threads as a result of hitting a pot hole. (not that I hit pot holes but it's nice to know incase)
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I wonder just how harsh as I currently have solid billet top mounts and agree they are approaching the limit of what can be called a road car now but I'm thinking they might not be too bad because the oem front bushings on the subframe are solid.
I guess how harsh the ride is - is a very subjective matter and will vary from one driver to another so I'll just have to try it and see. The tubular wishbones is what I'm really keen to know: whether being driven on public roads compromise their reliability significantly. I have heard of other tubular wishbones for other vehicles suffering from damaged threads as a result of hitting a pot hole. (not that I hit pot holes but it's nice to know incase)
I struggle to see how you avoid them considering the state of the roads, rose joints will not last long on a road car.
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I live in the finer part of Kent :wink:
Potholes are few and far between, I avoid driving my car on certain routes as it is, it feels pretty firm to put it nicely. I just don't drive into certain areas, on some roads or when I have a headache.
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if it's too solid. just fit comfier seats :cool:
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
this is a win if every i have seen one
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In a world of vibrating and massaging seats maybe I could try a cushion lol definitely pushing the boat out!
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Why not just get TT wishbones, they seem a popular mod.
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It will be stiffer with the tubular wishbones because of the rose joints replacing the poly bushes I would have fitted to the tt wishbones. I currently have poly bushes all around and would like that bit more. The tubular wishbones also allow far greater adjustments to the suspension geometry and are a bit lighter.
In all honesty I ain't very concerned with ride quality as its not great as it is, I'm just worried about the durability. Surely someone has used these on the road before?
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It will be stiffer with the tubular wishbones because of the rose joints replacing the poly bushes I would have fitted to the tt wishbones. I currently have poly bushes all around and would like that bit more. The tubular wishbones also allow far greater adjustments to the suspension geometry and are a bit lighter.
In all honesty I ain't very concerned with ride quality as its not great as it is, I'm just worried about the durability. Surely someone has used these on the road before?
As I posted before rose joints are not designed for road use and they will not last long.
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Interesting thread, I like it.
What was the outcome of this? Did you go ahead and get tubular wishbones?
if so, where from? Were they the USRT ones you were looking at?
I currently run a very similar setup to you and I'm also looking to go to the next level in terms of handling, I've recently bought some adjustable top mounts to increase camber and castor, as well as a shim kit for the rear end to add some more neg camber and dial out some of the horrid toe in these cars suffer with as standard.
i'd be very interested to see how you've got on, do you have a build thread anywhere?