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Title: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2012, 19:23
Had the Golf MOT'd last month and on the certificate they got the odometer reading wrong, they put 52xxx instead of 42xxx.  When I told them they said it's fine, don't worry about it it doesn't matter.  Checked on the VOSA website and that's the figure that's been submitted.

However... I'm thinking on to trying to selling the car in the future.  It's going to look like the car's been clocked now!  40k at one MOT, 52k at the next, than back down to something like 46k next year  :undecided:

For those of you that read into my recent car problems, yes it was ATS that MOT'd the car last month!
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: mcgee9t2 on 16 February 2012, 19:27
ide get them to change it, they made the mistake, they pay the consequences. even if you werent selling it ide still of had it changed due to the fact that its not right, your paying them at the end of the day so you want correct stuff.

Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: T_J_G on 16 February 2012, 19:28
Get it corrected!
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: The Mighty Elvi on 16 February 2012, 19:28
You must go back and get them to re test it for free.

Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2012, 19:28
They're not interested as it "doesn't make any difference", in their opinion.  This is the smallest of the trouble they've caused me recently!  I'm probably this close to being barred from the place  :grin:

Guys, to clear this up, they've told me they will not change it.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: Steve_PD on 16 February 2012, 19:29
Go above the local centre then, go to the national HQ
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: Ant1981 on 16 February 2012, 19:30
Contact VOSA, report them for incompetence and neglect.

And the local rag, no one likes bad publicity.

As a last ditch attempt, call them once more and ask them unless they rectify it, you'll do the above.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2012, 19:31
Might write a complaint letter to ATS HQ, nothing to lose.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: Guy on 16 February 2012, 19:31
They're not interested as it "doesn't make any difference", in their opinion.  This is the smallest of the trouble they've caused me recently!  I'm probably this close to being barred from the place  :grin:

Guys, to clear this up, they've told me they will not change it.

question... if you've had problems with them in the past why did you go back?!  :huh: :grin:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: The Mighty Elvi on 16 February 2012, 19:32
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Special%20Notice%2008-05%20MOT%20Testing%20Stations%20FAQ.pdf


Bottom Right question.

Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2012, 19:35
Just ran a quick MOT history on the car.

Date of test:
10/01/2012
Certificate issue refused (Fail)

Odometer reading:
42,751 Miles
Test number:
648650512009
Test station name:
ATS EUROMASTER LTD
Test station number:
1ALX52
Test station telephone number:
01618327752
Test class:
IV
Reason(s) for refusal to issue Certificate
Nearside Rear Sub-frame rubber bush deteriorated resulting in excessive movement (2.4.G.2)
Offside Rear Sub-frame rubber bush deteriorated resulting in excessive movement (2.4.G.2)

Advisory Notice issued
Parking brake lever has little reserve travel (3.1.6b)
Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Offside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Child seat fitted not allowing full inspection of adult belt
Ofside rear tyre has nail very colse to side wall
Vehicle is lowered

 
Date of test:
13/01/2012
Certificate issued (Pass)

Odometer reading:
52,752 Miles
Test number:
827913312059
Test station name:
ATS EUROMASTER LTD
Test station number:
1ALX52
Test station telephone number:
01618327752
Test class:
IV
Test expiry date:
12/01/2013

Advisory Notice issued
Parking brake lever has little reserve travel (3.1.6b)
Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Offside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Child seat fitted not allowing full inspection of adult belt
Ofside rear tyre has nail very colse to side wall
Vehicle is lowered

Unless I managed to do 10,000 miles in 3 days, I imagine a buyer would believe it was a mistake.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: opel on 16 February 2012, 19:37
take it to vosa mate they will sort it i cant remeber the form u can ask for from the testing station as it a complaints form
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: The Mighty Elvi on 16 February 2012, 19:38

Q. Incorrect odometer reading entered on Test Certificate

A. If the error is noticed within one working day of the vehicle test, the Testing Station that carried out the test can amend the details and issue a Replacement.

  (The MOT Testing Guide - H4.9b.(iii)).

After this time the error will need to be referred to the VOSA local Area Office for investigation
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2012, 19:41
I'll give VOSA a bell tomorrow, number looks to be 0870 60 60 440.  Might find out who to complain to about a garage as well.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: The Mighty Elvi on 16 February 2012, 19:42
CORRECTION:

As of 2007:

http://www.motuk.co.uk/images/SpecialNotice02-07.pdf




With effect from 4 March 2007, the ‘one working day rule’ for issuing replacement VT20 certificates
for an incorrect odometer reading will change.  From this date a replacement VT20 may be issued
with the correct odometer reading within seven calendar days of the test completion. The MOT
Testing Guide (Section H4, paragraph 9, b, (iii) on page 4) will be changed at the next available
opportunity.


Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2012, 19:43
Best was over a month ago now  :undecided:  See what they say.  Cheers Elvi  :smiley:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: JC on 16 February 2012, 19:44
CORRECTION:

As of 2007:

http://www.motuk.co.uk/images/SpecialNotice02-07.pdf




With effect from 4 March 2007, the ‘one working day rule’ for issuing replacement VT20 certificates
for an incorrect odometer reading will change.  From this date a replacement VT20 may be issued
with the correct odometer reading within seven calendar days of the test completion. The MOT
Testing Guide (Section H4, paragraph 9, b, (iii) on page 4) will be changed at the next available
opportunity.




had to re google it I guess  :huh:   :undecided:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: Jay on 16 February 2012, 19:46
Bunch of cowboy tw@ts, hope their MOT tester loses his license and they get a hefty fine :cool:  :evil:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2012, 19:51
complaining to ATS probably won't result in much.  Probably just tell VOSA instead, as well as them saying they wouldn't chang eit because it didn't matter.  Also mention I'm annoyed that add silly things to the list of advisories. 
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 February 2012, 19:52
Report them to VOSA, they will get into big trouble if they have refused to correct their mistake..
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: s-l-i-x on 16 February 2012, 20:20
Looks like you got a lot of pointless driving to do before the next MOT  :grin: :laugh:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: richw911 on 16 February 2012, 22:04
First the rear beam bush episode then they lose your locking wheel nut now this!  :angry:

As for the advisories all seem fair - not sure about the lowered one  :undecided:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2012, 22:07
The child seat one is laughable.  They could have just asked me to remove it so that they could test the seatbelt.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: Khare on 16 February 2012, 22:09
Child's seat and lowering one are laughable for sure. Same as a friend's road legal track car, advisory was "no passenger or rear seats fitted". Well no sh!t, it's clearly a track car!
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: richw911 on 16 February 2012, 22:09
The child seat one is laughable.  They could have just asked me to remove it so that they could test the seatbelt.

True but i think you will find thats how its done if they can't check it gets advised.

This is madness

http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/general-automotive-chat/121090-failed-m-o-t-craziness.html  :grin:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 16 February 2012, 22:10
As a warning to anyone else.  Do not, I repeat, DO NOT use this garage.  In fact, don't even drive NEAR to it!

http://www.atseuromaster.co.uk/centres/manchester-waterloo-road.htm?saddr=m7+1uz
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: Jay on 16 February 2012, 22:29
I'm going to use a local indy that sponsors lots of local events, they also go free labour for servicing on Saturday mornings, so you just pay the waste disposal (£5) and cost of parts/fluids :cool: Better than using a large corporate B/S crap hole. Before anyone says DIY, I've got no where to do it myself as I'm not allowed to service my car in the communal parking and I've been told off by my mums old neighbours for servicing my car round her communal parking space :lipsrsealed: Old f#cking bat.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: JC on 16 February 2012, 22:32
The child seat one is laughable.  They could have just asked me to remove it so that they could test the seatbelt.

True but i think you will find thats how its done if they can't check it gets advised.

This is madness

http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/general-automotive-chat/121090-failed-m-o-t-craziness.html  :grin:

nope, its the new regulations

same as if the rear number plate is too dirty,

FAIL

 :rolleyes:

Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: Jay on 16 February 2012, 22:42
Hang 'em on the indicator stalks  :grin:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: Steve_PD on 16 February 2012, 22:45
nope, its the new regulations

same as if the rear number plate is too dirty,

FAIL

 :rolleyes:



So this won't pass no more?

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb74/kryptik_2010/IMAG0077.jpg)

 :lipsrsealed: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: Len on 16 February 2012, 22:51
It never did! That is also highly illegal. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: Steve_PD on 16 February 2012, 22:59
So's blue tail lights. . .  :tongue:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 02 March 2012, 17:09
Thought I'd update this. Spoke to VOSA, they said its the garages responsibility to sort it out. Rung ATS and eventually they agreed to re-mot the car free of charge.

She's now back from the garage with a new correct MOT  :smiley:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: richw911 on 02 March 2012, 17:12
Thought I'd update this. Spoke to VOSA, they said its the garages responsibility to sort it out. Rung ATS and eventually they agreed to re-mot the car free of charge.

She's now back from the garage with a new correct MOT  :smiley:

Great stuff  :cool: Cant believe you went back there though  :grin:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 02 March 2012, 20:23
The child seat one is laughable.  They could have just asked me to remove it so that they could test the seatbelt.

True but i think you will find thats how its done if they can't check it gets advised.

This is madness

http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/general-automotive-chat/121090-failed-m-o-t-craziness.html  :grin:

nope, its the new regulations

same as if the rear number plate is too dirty,

FAIL

 :rolleyes:



Hardly the same thing  :rolleyes:
A dirty number plate has always been a fail, and why should the tester clean it.
Any sensible tester would of told the chap that the air freshener had to come down or it would fail, NOT just issue a fail notice  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 02 March 2012, 20:27
On another note, here are the advisories I got at my last MOT with the wrong mileage on.

Quote
Parking brake lever has little reserve travel (3.1.6b)
Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Offside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Child seat fitted not allowing full inspection of adult belt
Ofside rear tyre has nail very colse to side wall
Vehicle is lowered

Here are the advisories on my NEW MOT certificate!

Quote
Nearside inner (rack end) Ball joint has slight play
Offside inner front constant velocity joint gater damaged, but preventing the ingress of dirt

Seriously, WTF?!  How can the old advisories disappear and two new ones pop up within a month?!
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: barrym381 on 02 March 2012, 21:00
On another note, here are the advisories I got at my last MOT with the wrong mileage on.

Quote
Parking brake lever has little reserve travel (3.1.6b)
Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Offside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Child seat fitted not allowing full inspection of adult belt
Ofside rear tyre has nail very colse to side wall
Vehicle is lowered

Here are the advisories on my NEW MOT certificate!

Quote
Nearside inner (rack end) Ball joint has slight play
Offside inner front constant velocity joint gater damaged, but preventing the ingress of dirt

Seriously, WTF?!  How can the old advisories disappear and two new ones pop up within a month?!
was it the same tester
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 02 March 2012, 21:01
Yes.  They even had the previous MOT on record.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: barrym381 on 02 March 2012, 21:05
Yes
i would of pointed it out to the idiot after he had finished bet your glad u dont have to go back there  :smiley:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 02 March 2012, 21:07
I wasn't the one that took it to the garage, got my girlfriend to drop it off and pick it up.

Not a bad thing, the advisories on the MOT this time around are very minor.  Neither really need doing any time soon.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: barrym381 on 02 March 2012, 21:10
I wasn't the one that took it to the garage, got my girlfriend to drop it off and pick it up.

Not a bad thing, the advisories on the MOT this time around are very minor.  Neither really need doing any time soon.
usual with ppl like that they think they will get the work but glad your all sorted now
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 02 March 2012, 21:14
Absolutely detest that garage, only went again as they had to re-MOT it for free.

I bet when I get it MOT'd again they find neither of the advisories they listed today.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 02 March 2012, 22:16
Don't worry too much about advisories, obviously check them out, but mostly it's to make it look like the tester is actually paying attention.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bobbarley on 02 March 2012, 22:17
Yeah definitely seems that way.  Was told before they put them there so VOSA can see they bother to see things.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 02 March 2012, 22:22
Yeah definitely seems that way.  Was told before they put them there so VOSA can see they bother to see things.

Exactly.
I've been going to the same MOT place for the last 6 years. When i first went there i got some odd advisories.
Now if anything comes up the tester points it out to me.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: Wazzzer on 03 March 2012, 10:51
I think the guy that did my MOT needed to get his failure rates up, he failed me for headlight adjustment then passed me 5 mins later once the aim was sorted :grin:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: bob23 on 03 March 2012, 11:54
I am glad I don't get any of those problems, I take all my own and my mates cars to an mot testing station that only does mots, tyres, exhausts and batteries, they don't fail it to get the work then.

There is a scrap yard just down the road so if I get a fail on something small they pass it and let me fix it on their ramp, I'm lucky really, I had a car mot'd with them and they missed 3 failures, I pointed them out and they said if I'd kept my mouth shut it would have passed, I just said I'd rather know it has a proper mot, since then if I fail on anything small it gets fixed on the spot, anything big they pass it and just say get it done knowing i will and if my emissions are out the probe goes up another car.

It helps that i send a lot of people there for mot's and tyres and have always looked after them if they put a car on the ramp for me to have a look under it, most people just take it for granted, so when I give them £20 for putting it in the air they appreciate it, funny thing is the bloke that owns it and does my tests used to work at central tyre, I hated them and got armed police sent out to me after threatening the staff with a chainsaw, get on well with him now.
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: leigh_harty on 03 March 2012, 13:33
Just to jump in on this topic if thee dont mind  :smiley:

My vr was at about 197k last year for its MOT, my new clocks only read about 114k so when it goes in for MOT sometime this month what would he put down? Obviously i cant have it looking like ive reversed 83k  :grin:
Title: Re: MOT and odometer readings
Post by: barrym381 on 03 March 2012, 13:45
I am glad I don't get any of those problems, I take all my own and my mates cars to an mot testing station that only does mots, tyres, exhausts and batteries, they don't fail it to get the work then.

There is a scrap yard just down the road so if I get a fail on something small they pass it and let me fix it on their ramp, I'm lucky really, I had a car mot'd with them and they missed 3 failures, I pointed them out and they said if I'd kept my mouth shut it would have passed, I just said I'd rather know it has a proper mot, since then if I fail on anything small it gets fixed on the spot, anything big they pass it and just say get it done knowing i will and if my emissions are out the probe goes up another car.

It helps that i send a lot of people there for mot's and tyres and have always looked after them if they put a car on the ramp for me to have a look under it, most people just take it for granted, so when I give them £20 for putting it in the air they appreciate it, funny thing is the bloke that owns it and does my tests used to work at central tyre, I hated them and got armed police sent out to me after threatening the staff with a chainsaw, get on well with him now.
so they dont really give a toss this mot centre then :grin: :grin: