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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Golf mk2 gallery => Topic started by: richie2480 on 09 February 2012, 21:30
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Hi all, I decided late last year that I wanted my engine overhauling. It is high mileage (164000) and thought I would get it sorted before it goes drastically wrong. Well I had a look on the internet to see what options there are. I spoke to C&R but got no reply. Spoke to TSR and got a quote for the 1.9 Cadwell pack. I also spoke to a company in Reading (no name yet). I actually visited the Reading company and had a chat with the 2 guys that run the place Rob and Mark. I explained what I was after, an engine overhaul and a bit more power. I explained I was happy with top end just wanted to get there quicker. Rob has been building VW race engines for quite some time. I explained that I wanted to keep the original engine as I knew it was still running sweet. Rob explained what they would do as part of overhaul. Well I was sold. To be honest as soon as I saw how clean the workshop I was interested. Well the car has been in for just under a week now and I went up to visit today, very happy with what I saw.
1. Engine/gearbox removed.
2. Engine stripped, cleaned and inspected.
3. Cylinder head stripped, cleaned and inspected. On inspection it was noted that head gasket was on it's way out, so looks like I timed it just right
4. Bottom end will be re-bored and new pistons fitted. Original pistons no longer available so will be replaced with Mahle Pistons. Any thing else that needs replacing will be replaced.
5. Cylinder head is in process of being flowed. I am keeping standard cam shafts.
6. Once engine and cylinder head have rebuilt they will be painted. I am going to have gearbox repainted as well.
7. There is slight play on the gearbox diff output shaft so that is going to be checked and fixed.
8. Inlet manifold and rocker cover are going to be stripped, polished and lacquered. Top of rocker cover will be shaved down slightly on ribs.
9. While engine was out Rob explained that the wishbones on suspension were quite shabby so I am having new ones fitted with the seams being welded and poly bushes fitted. Rob explained they are only tack welded around sides and so dirt and water can ingress between2 halves and potentially corrode from the inside out.
10. Engine bay will get a thorough clean before refit.
11. Once everything is refitted car will go on their rolling road for tune up and final checks.
Well that's it for now. I am going back to visit again late next week some time. By that time engine should back together and ready to re-fit. Once I have car back I will leave a verdict and name.
BLOCK AFTER CLEAN AND INSPECTION
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HEAD PRIOR TO CLEAN GASKET WAS JUST ON IT'S WAY OUT
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HEAD AFTER CLEAN AND INSPECTION
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START OF PORTING
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Excellent. once run-in expect a nice little revvy unit and it sounds like some top work is going on with your engine etc. Did they give any indication of power and torque figures once complete?
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Yes, but I'm not going to quote anything till it's been on the rolling road. Numbers he gave me were quite scary though :evil:
Rob the guy who's working on my car does VW race engines. He's been working on flowing engines for years. He even showed me the cut down cylinder heads he's worked on to see what improvements he can make. He's running an old Scirroco on modified standard engine, He says he's got 200+ bhp out of her. I don't want that much power. Do I?!
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This thread is useless without pictures!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Pics are up. Not many to look at at the moment. Will post more as I get them.
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Pics are up. Not many to look at at the moment. Will post more as I get them.
:cool:
Looks Like nice work....
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What's kind of figure are you paying if you paying if you don't mind me asking?
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A few bucks. Not going to commit to an answer on that one. I've given my girlfriend a price and if she sees how much I am actually paying she'll kick my arse all over the house!! :embarassed: :smug: Let's say it's not far off the quote I got off TSR for a Cadwell 16v engine and fitted. I opted for these guys because they are closer to where I live than TSR in Cornwall. If I have any problems they are an hour away.
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Jesus Rich, 164k is naff all. You've probably driven Rovers over the years with more miles........
.......probably on their 5th engine though. :wink:
Is this from the chaps from JTECH doing this?
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Jesus Rich, 164k is naff all. You've probably driven Rovers over the years with more miles........
.......probably on their 5th engine though. :wink:
Is this from the chaps from JTECH doing this?
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Jesus Rich, 164k is naff all. You've probably driven Rovers over the years with more miles........
.......probably on their 5th engine though. :wink:
Is this from the chaps from JTECH doing this?
Hello mate, How you doing. Yeh I know, but hey, 24 years in the Army, money burning a hole in my pocket!! As I mentioned in write-up the head gasket was on its way out anyway. I was thinking about just doing cylinder head but then I thought might as well go the whole hog and get engine overhauled as well. Got my red/gold centre caps through for the RS's today as well. Am going to fit them tomorrow to see how they look. Gold rim bolts next I think. That's if I can get garage door open in the snow. RS's aren't on car yet still hibernating in garage. No, it's not JTech. Won't give a name yet till I have car back.
Don't know what's happened with text. It's shrunk :angry:
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Thanks whoever fixed my reply
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Thanks whoever fixed my reply
You can take the bloke out of the Army, but...........
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Yep, so true I'm afraid to say.
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Out of interest, I know dont want to tell all, but could we have a ball park figure on the cost.
Im looking round for someone to give my engine in my 16V a good seeing to......as its going no where at the minute been a non starter!
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I am paying over 2k. I am happy with that. I am not mechanically minded enough to take out and overhaul an engine so I would rather have someone that knows what they are doing do the job and pay for that. Work comes with a warranty and rolling road test. As I mentioned before I am only an hour away if anything goes wrong. I have seen the work he has done and the work he is doing so am happy to pay. There was another Mk2 in, and a Lotus Elan waiting. I was in contact with TSR and they were quoting £3000+ for a Cadwell 16v fitted. I'm lucky, I have spare cash to spend. The car is pretty much perfect. The only thing left to do was sort the engine. Yes I know 164000 miles isn't high mileage but head gasket was on it's way out anyway. I could have just had the head tuned and do the bottom end at a later date, but that would mean having to pay to have engine removed again so I thought get it all done at once. I plan on visiting when engine is being re-built and I will ask Rob to do a write up of the work he's done. That will be something else to put in my huge folder of paperwork for the car.
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Good to see someone investing in keeping an original lump in a golf.
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Brilliant!!
As a previous poster said, "its great to see an original lump being fitted"....I totally agree.
The more a MK2 is kept original the better i my book!
Great write up....I for one will be interested in seeing the finished article back in the car and the rolling road figures.
Are you investing in any new fueling items?
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I wanted to keep the original lump as I knew there was nothing wrong with it, just getting a bit high on mileage. Tim, who owned the car before me looked after her well so I am maintaining that. No plans to change anything else really. The car is standard apart from a G60 interior, which technically is still Golf. I have original RA's but have got myself a set of RS's for nice weather. Just got myself some red/gold centre caps for the RS's. Not yet fitted as RS's are hibernating in garage. Both are 15" so I don't have to keep winding coilovers up and down when I change wheels. In fact if you haven't seen them before here are some pics.
With RA's
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With RS's
(http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee383/richie1893/IMG_0275.jpg)
RS's
(http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee383/richie1893/IMG_0264.jpg)
G60 Interior (I now have G60 leather steering wheel fitted)
(http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee383/richie1893/IMG_0263.jpg)
Engine Bay
(http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee383/richie1893/IMG_0194.jpg)
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I know this car.... Was it Dubster2/ Aqualever's old car???
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Yeh, That's the one.
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Yeh, That's the one.
Love what your doing to it....
Keep it up & keep the updates coming!!
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Beautiful car mate, that is so tidy in the bay, love to see bays like that, keep at it, top job :wink:
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Thanks, But I can't lay any claim to how car looks that is all down to Tim (Dubster2/Aquavalver). I've just maintained the looks. All I have done so far is add my RS''s, fitted new audio and now obviously the engine work. I will look after her, maybe not so obsessively as Tim, but I will try.
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Thanks, But I can't lay any claim to how car looks that is all down to Tim (Dubster2/Aquavalver). I've just maintained the looks. All I have done so far is add my RS''s, fitted new audio and now obviously the engine work. I will look after her, maybe not so obsessively as Tim, but I will try.
Dont try, just do! Then go to your first show and shine, win a prize and get addicted :smiley:
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Its yours now make your mark, Tim was OCD and credit due to him every part on that car was GEN VAG even if he had to import in :laugh:
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Its yours now make your mark, Tim was OCD and credit due to him every part on that car was GEN VAG even if he had to import in :laugh:
Well the plan was to go and visit tomorrow to go and see start of engine rebuild. However, British Gas being as good as they aren't have put a stop to that. My boiler's gone tits up and they can't get an engineer out till tomorrow even though I called first thing this morning but they are "too busy" :angry: I could leave it till day after but it would mean earache of the missus so got to sort priorities.
CAN'T POST A REPLY SO ADDING TO THIS ONE
Well I went to visit my car today. The engine rebuild has started and I've got a a few pics to post:
CLEAN AND PAINTED BLOCK
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RE-BORED CYLINDERS[/SIZE][/U][/B]
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NEW PISTONS AND FITTING
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PISTONS CONNECTED UP
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ANCILLARIES ALL CLEAN AND PAINTED. NOTE LIGHTENED FLYWHEEL
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ANCILLARIES BEING FITTED. NOTE CYLINDER HEAD ON SHELF BEHIND, NEXT FOR CONSTRUCTION.
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Well what can is say. Impressed? Very much. Rob is very meticulous with his work. Everything is cleaned, checked and cleaned again prior to fitting. Any excess sealant that may leak out is wiped off. The plan was to go up again to watch head being built but Rob is under pressure from other work so he is working late tonight to get head started so looks like I'm going to miss out on that. I'm not worried because I know it's going to be done properly. Rob also identified a couple problems with the gearbox. One of the diff output shaft bearings was shot and a couple of the gears had some chips in the gear teeth. So that is going to get sorted as well. Priority of work has changed now. Engine, gearbox and any other bits that will fit in the budget.
While I was there a guy came in with is mk1 Campaign that had had a 2.0 16v G60 conversion. It had come for a rolling road test and set up. He's only had the car 10 days and was told on purchase that she still needed setting up. Well she went on the rolling road but there was no boost from the charger. Hoses etc were checked for leaks, no leaks. So the filter inlet hose was removed to have a look inside. Rob stuck his finger and pulled it out with a clump of shiny metallic grease. The metallic grease should have been white. Looks like something had failed in a big way in the charger. Charger was being removed as I left.
Overall I am very happy. Must admit when I saw the engine I felt like a kid getting a new toy. Well a big kid getting a grown up's toy [:y:][:P]
Just had a call with provisional rolling road results.
180bhp :grin: :evil:.
Wasn't expecting that. I thought maybe 160ish but 180 is nice. Not that I'm going to use all that power, but it's nice to know it's there if I need it. There is still a bit of fettling to be done to engine and I hope be go down Wed to see final rolling road and collect car.
OK, Picked car up today. Very happy indeed. Rob took me around the car to show me everything connected up. Went out for a test drive with him. She's fine. Had a chat with Rob about running in and what oil to use etc. Rob said she's ready to be ragged, but I'm not going to, and any quality 10w40 semi synth oil. He did say to run the car for a couple of thousand miles, take her back and he will re-run her on rolling road and re-tune her. I've got printouts of rolling roads:
181bhp/159.5ft/lbs torque at the flywheel
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171.1bhp/153ft/lbs torque at the wheels
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Overall I am very happy. Now got a lovely Golf with a new engine and flowed head, newly replaced fuelling system (everything new less the pump in the fuel tank) and a re-built gearbox. I'm going to keep her a week before I tell all on the workshop. Now that engine is done, she needs a good clean. I now need to decide on gold bolts or not for my RS's. Spring is coming!!!
Ok decided to stick with the silver bolts. The car was done at CFM Engineering:
http://www.cfmengineering.co.uk/
http://www.facebook.com/CFMEngineering (look at my car in pics)
Still very happy with car. There was a slight leak coming from distributor so took car back and Rob replaced the distributor seal. The car was given a brief check over and all is fine. I'm taking it back when I hit 1000 and have engine oil changed. I may see about having a rolling road done again, just to confirm.