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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Ed32Man on 07 February 2012, 07:26
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Hi,
I'm currently awaiting delivery of A GTi Edition 35 with DSG gearbox. Apart from a couple of test drives I've never driven a DSG before, only a manual, so I thought I'd ask a question. What is the best way of performing a DSG hill start with this car that is safest for me (i.e. so that it doesn't roll back) and kindest to the car? Although my instinctive reaction would be to hold it on the handbrake, I'm guessing that holding on the footbrake and then changing to the accelerator would be the way to go, with the hill hold function taking care of the roll-back.
Have I got it right or is there a better way?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Use the foot brake then use the accelerator to pull away. The hill hold will apply the brakes for a max of 2 seconds but will release while you apply the power. It is a really good function and works very well.
DSG is fantastic you won't regret it. Also once the car is run in don't forget to try the Launch control, it's a bit of fun to try every now an then :smiley:
When do you get your ED35 and what is the spec? Mine should be here in early March as I have waited until the bad weather has gone (hopefully).
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The car will have hill hold assist.You engage the hand brake on a hill,when you release it,it stays locked until you set off so you don't roll back.As you drive off,the brake will automatically release.
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What is launch control? I've got DSG on my new MK6 (2000km at the moment).
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What is launch control? I've got DSG on my new MK6 (2000km at the moment).
Launch control is superb. Follow these steps:
1. Wait for the engine/oil to be warm enough (Approx 98 degrees)
2. Turn Off ESP
3. Place in Sport Mode on DSG
4. Place left foot on brake
5. Push right foot flat to the ground
6. The revs will sit on 3k RPM
7. Remove foot from brake and
8. OMFG, rocket ship.......
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Sounds interesting! Might have to wait until it's a bit warmer. Currently -20 over here and even with spiked tyres, the roads are like a skating rink!
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What is launch control? I've got DSG on my new MK6 (2000km at the moment).
Launch control is superb. Follow these steps:
1. Wait for the engine/oil to be warm enough (Approx 98 degrees)
2. Turn Off ESP
3. Place in Sport Mode on DSG
4. Place left foot on brake
5. Push right foot flat to the ground
6. The revs will sit on 3k RPM
7. Remove foot from brake and
8. OMFG, rocket ship.......
By which time, I've ragged it past you in my manual :laugh:
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What is launch control? I've got DSG on my new MK6 (2000km at the moment).
Launch control is superb. Follow these steps:
1. Wait for the engine/oil to be warm enough (Approx 98 degrees)
2. Turn Off ESP
3. Place in Sport Mode on DSG
4. Place left foot on brake
5. Push right foot flat to the ground
6. The revs will sit on 3k RPM
7. Remove foot from brake and
8. OMFG, rocket ship.......
By which time, I've ragged it past you in my manual :laugh:
Only if you go through the red light :wink:
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What is launch control? I've got DSG on my new MK6 (2000km at the moment).
Launch control is superb. Follow these steps:
1. Wait for the engine/oil to be warm enough (Approx 98 degrees)
2. Turn Off ESP
3. Place in Sport Mode on DSG
4. Place left foot on brake
5. Push right foot flat to the ground
6. The revs will sit on 3k RPM
7. Remove foot from brake and
8. OMFG, rocket ship.......
By which time, I've ragged it past you in my manual :laugh:
Only if you go through the red light :wink:
Very true, manual simply will not beat a DSG with launch Control off the lights....
Jim
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As you can see
Bye bye manual gti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4HpD5K6Qws
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I can't wait to try this at the lights on the way home - minus 20 and slippy or not! :laugh:
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I can't wait to try this at the lights on the way home - minus 20 and slippy or not! :laugh:
Remember it won't work unless the oil is warm enough.
Jim
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Hi everyone, just to let you know that, as the originator of this thread I've changed my username from Ed32Man to Mr_Ed_35 so sorry for any confusion. Thanks to all the answers to my post. Edi35, in answer to your question, I only ordered it on Friday and the dealer quoted me around 20-22 weeks so I suppose I'm looking at around the end of June I guess. The spec is in the sig below.
For the next few months I just know I'm going to be like a kid waiting for Christmas to come, especially when you consider the excuse for a car that I have at the moment - a Citroen C1!
Thanks very much.
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As above, the "hill hold" function will stop you rolling back on all but the very steepest of gradients.
However, mine does'nt release for about two seconds after releasing the foot brake, even if applying power.
This means a slow getaway on hills at roundabout entries / traffic light etc all the time (although I have learnt to anticipate this a bit now !)
Does everyone find this ? or should it release straight away when pressing the accelerator ?
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Hill hold on mine releases immediately when moving off, with no delay.
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mmm ... two seconds seems about right :-
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/glossary/hill-hold
I'm just wondering if there's a way of beating that :laugh:
If I press the accelerator within 2 seconds I get a nasty "graunching / grinding" sound, so I just sit it out now but "feather off" the brake as far as posiible which seems to speed it up slightly.
My previous DSG Golfs did'nt have hill hold and I can't say I'm a fan of it really :rolleyes:
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mmm ... two seconds seems about right :-
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/glossary/hill-hold
I'm just wondering if there's a way of beating that :laugh:
If I press the accelerator within 2 seconds I get a nasty "graunching / grinding" sound, so I just sit it out now but "feather off" the brake as far as posiible which seems to speed it up slightly.
My previous DSG Golfs did'nt have hill hold and I can't say I'm a fan of it really :rolleyes:
There should be no holding or grinding sound. I would get it checked out
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Hi everyone, just to let you know that, as the originator of this thread I've changed my username from Ed32Man to Mr_Ed_35 so sorry for any confusion. Thanks to all the answers to my post. Edi35, in answer to your question, I only ordered it on Friday and the dealer quoted me around 20-22 weeks so I suppose I'm looking at around the end of June I guess. The spec is in the sig below.
For the next few months I just know I'm going to be like a kid waiting for Christmas to come, especially when you consider the excuse for a car that I have at the moment - a Citroen C1!
Thanks very much.
Mr ED 35 your car spec looks really good not surprised you are excited, the wait will go quicky as I ordered mine in Sept and could have had it delivered in Jan but wanted to wait in case the weather was bad. It is only the last few weeks that I am getting impatiant. I didn't go mad on the options this time as my current car has a sunroof which I have only used a couple of times. Also went for the RCD510 as I will retro fit the RNS510.
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I've driven 3 or 4 DSG cars and the hill hold has deactivated as soon as you hit the gas pedal on all of them - no delay. 2 seconds doesn't sound right..
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I've driven 3 or 4 DSG cars and the hill hold has deactivated as soon as you hit the gas pedal on all of them - no delay. 2 seconds doesn't sound right..
You are right it will release the brakes once you accelerate but it will hold for a max of 2 seconds once you have released the foot brake and if you don't touch the accelerator.
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mmm ... two seconds seems about right :-
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/glossary/hill-hold
I'm just wondering if there's a way of beating that :laugh:
If I press the accelerator within 2 seconds I get a nasty "graunching / grinding" sound, so I just sit it out now but "feather off" the brake as far as posiible which seems to speed it up slightly.
My previous DSG Golfs did'nt have hill hold and I can't say I'm a fan of it really :rolleyes:
Trip to the dealers I reckon as sounds like a problem to me!
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I tried the launch and it didn't work. It just revved around 2000 and then made a load of crunching sounds. I've just re-read this thread and you recommend 98 degrees oil temperature. I thought it was 90 :embarassed: Is this the reason it didn't work? Will it have damaged the car at all?
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Sounds like the Launch Control wasn't activated.
With your foot on the brake you should be able to rev the car without any load on the clutch.
The car shouldn't make an attempt to move until you release the brake.
The car just needs to be up to operating temperature so 90 is fine.
I think the reference before was the oil temperature.
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I had my foot on the brake, the car in Sports (DSG) and then floored the accelerator. It didnt get above 2000 and was groaning a lot! I'll leave it til warmer weather to try again..
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fully warmed up and ESP turned off too ?
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ESP turned off? NO! :grin:
Looks like that was the problem!!
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ESP turned off? NO! :grin:
Looks like that was the problem!!
And the temp must be around 100.
Jim
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The temp was 93c. With the weather being so cold at the moment, even after an hour of driving it's struggling to get over 90c. Looks like I'll have to wait a month or two before screaching off at the lights!!
But in all seriousness - when do people actually use this "launch" mode? I can imagine the noise it makes, combined with a fair bit of spin is slightly embarrassing. I'm still too self conscious to use the car in "sport" mode, as the screech of the revs as it changes gear on 7000rpm just makes me look as if I don't know how to change gear on a manual car! :grin:
As you can guess, I'm not a boy racer! :nerd:
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It doesn't make that much noise, 3k revs doesn't make too much noise and wheel spin isn't that bad either.
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Is it true that VW warranty only cover 3 launches or is that just an urban legend?
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How would VW know how many "launches" you have done?
I suppose this gives the phrase - "there is no such thing as a free launch" a whole new meaning! :laugh:
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Logged on the ECU?
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Is it true that VW warranty only cover 3 launches or is that just an urban legend?
I don't believe that for a second, they wouldn't take all that design and effort for it to be a use three times and nothing else. How would new owners know how manyntimes its been done?
Jim
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The temp was 93c. With the weather being so cold at the moment, even after an hour of driving it's struggling to get over 90c. Looks like I'll have to wait a month or two before screaching off at the lights!!
But in all seriousness - when do people actually use this "launch" mode? I can imagine the noise it makes, combined with a fair bit of spin is slightly embarrassing. I'm still too self conscious to use the car in "sport" mode, as the screech of the revs as it changes gear on 7000rpm just makes me look as if I don't know how to change gear on a manual car! :grin:
As you can guess, I'm not a boy racer! :nerd:
I used it only when i had 4 wheel drive, in my R32. No tyre spin, and the noise was the main reason i did it!
It is slightly wasted on FWD unless its bone dry out there.
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I actually managed to do it!
Despite not making much noise at 3000rpm, when I took my foot off the brake and sped off - it was making a hell of a lot of noise by the time it changed up to the next gear on 8000rpm! I'm glad no-one was around :grin:
I didn't think it was working, until I looked at the speedo and I was already doing 110kph!! Don't think I'll be doing this at the lights, but I might have a little go now and again when I don't think anyone is watching/listening!
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Is it true that VW warranty only cover 3 launches or is that just an urban legend?
This is untrue. I asked this before I had my ED30 and the dealer said as Launch control is stated in the drivers manual and there is no warnings there is no issue.
Not checked my Mk6 drivers manual but if this was an issue there would be something on net about it. I used LC on my ED30 less than 10 times in the 3 years I had it and only used it once on my Mk6. It's a bit of a gimmick but fun all the same. :smiley:
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I wished I knew about the launch control when I went to Santa Pod! I was holding it on the handbrake with little revs....Damn. Going to try it soon.
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If you are in to quarter miling then LC is the ultimate function! :evil:
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Is it true that VW warranty only cover 3 launches or is that just an urban legend?
Total urban legend :grin:
They tell you how to do it in the official owners handbook, with no warnings about frequency :wink:
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But in all seriousness - when do people actually use this "launch" mode? I can imagine the noise it makes, combined with a fair bit of spin is slightly embarrassing.
You need to try it - it can actulaly be used very tamely if you want.
You don't have to plant your right foot and can ease off once 30mph or 40mph is attained.
It's just as if you were in a manual car, wanting a quick getaway.
I use it at traffic lights sometimes if I'm in the mood and some chav pulls up alongside in a Corsa or something. AWD and launch combined is awesome :smiley: It gets over the slight turbo lag as you don't start at 800rpm