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General => General discussion => Topic started by: johnnyvr6 on 24 January 2012, 16:23
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hi i have just had a play with a ctr on a long bypass near me,he had me at the lights for about 100 meters but i started reeling him in,i thought i would of got wasted as mines is only meant to be 180 bhp that is the first time iv git it some properly,it was spinning the front wheels in 2nd gear lol,im not sure it is 180 brake i think its more,i need to get on some rollers and see what the old girl is pushing
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What do type R's have as standard anyway? So you got smoked yea, after how long were you 'reeling' him in? I think the type R would win...
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200 standard think his had a filter,no i didnt get beat probably even stevens after quarter of a mile
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remind me again,wots feet = metre's,for us old uns who have'nt been brainwashed into being european? :shocked:
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remind me again,wots feet = metre's,for us old uns who have'nt been brainwashed into being european? :shocked:
110yards is roughly 100metres
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mines is only meant to be 180 bhp that is the first time iv git it some properly,it was spinning the front wheels in 2nd gear lol,im not sure it is 180 brake i think its more.
What mods does it have at the moment, AGU is 150bhp standard.
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Great story but you wouldnt beat a type r full stop.
If you think different go have a race with some corners thrown in and see how well you do :smiley:
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mine has meant to have a remap to 180 bhp and a 007 recirc thats it,i know i wouldn't beat a type r im just saying i was chuffed that mine didnt get beat royally,tbh it was pissing down and we were both strugleing to get the power down,wait till my k04 and stage 2 remap come,i will bump into him again then lets see what happens lol
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That will be when he has put a s/charger on it lol
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That will be when he has put a s/charger on it lol
be a good race lol
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mine has meant to have a remap to 180 bhp and a 007 recirc thats it,i know i wouldn't beat a type r im just saying i was chuffed that mine didnt get beat royally,tbh it was pissing down and we were both strugleing to get the power down,wait till my k04 and stage 2 remap come,i will bump into him again then lets see what happens lol
an the type r with a good driver will still win :smiley:
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lets just hope he is a sh!t driver then lol
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i cant believe a mk4 turbo would keep up anywhere near a type r not in a million years
honda civic type r
Kerb Weight 1204kg
golf mk4 turbo
kerb wieght
1345kg
type are producing a further 17 bhp than a 180bhp golf and also weighs 130kg less
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Two very different cars with two totally different power deliveries
I could pull away from a Type R in 6th when my old TDI was still standard :grin: :grin: He changed down a couple of gears and then most likely got done for speeding about a mile down the road as he went flying past a speed camera :laugh: :laugh:
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i cant believe a mk4 turbo would keep up anywhere near a type r not in a million years
honda civic type r
Kerb Weight 1204kg
golf mk4 turbo
kerb wieght
1345kg
type are producing a further 17 bhp than a 180bhp golf and also weighs 130kg less
i dont no for sure mines 180 bhp thats what i was told when i got it last week,it feels alot quicker than my leon cupra 180 bhp i had a few years ago
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i had an facelift ep3 couple of years ago and it was nuts to drive,
revving the nutts off it in vtec,awsome car for the money.
a s/charged ep3 kisks out 300bhp
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they are nice motors only problem is there like ass holes every thingys got one
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they are nice motors only problem is there like ass holes every thingys got one
thats like sayin the mk4 turbo is rare :grin: :grin:
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Two very different cars with two totally different power deliveries
I could pull away from a Type R in 6th when my old TDI was still standard :grin: :grin: He changed down a couple of gears and then most likely got done for speeding about a mile down the road as he went flying past a speed camera :laugh: :laugh:
i understand that rhyso with a derv but i cant imagine a petrol being able to pull away and as they dont produce the tarque like a derv
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haha true
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haha true
http://howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=civic+type-r
http://howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=golf%20mk4%20turbo&p=5
huge diffrence in numbers :laugh:
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more type r's have been wrote off lol
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more type r's have been wrote off lol
than mk4 golfs u been drinking :smiley:
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no just smoking lol
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A lot of petrols are making diesel torque now. Ive seen k03s pushing 285bhp on numerous rollers. Mine ran 298lbft (403nm) on R-tech rollers.
Its all about the area under the graph if you ask me!
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A lot of petrols are making diesel torque now. Ive seen k03s pushing 285bhp on numerous rollers. Mine ran 298lbft (403nm) on R-tech rollers.
Its all about the area under the graph if you ask me!
Mine is running 245lb/ft with nothing more than a remap, that's getting on for 100lb/ft more than a type-r!
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In fairness CTR's are all bhp and no torque, the vtec has never been known for it's proper muscle. They're wiley little cars though, massive big go-karts!
Mine's an AGU, re-mapped, air filter, and putting out 235lb/ft torque!
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My VR beats Type R's all day long as soon as theres a little bit of an up hill gradient, the torque figures are sh!te on the Type R's
The 2nd Gens (around 2002) are 200 BHP but only 145ft/ib
The 3rd Gens (2005 on) are 198bhp and only 142ft/lb :shocked:
Dom's GTI T would eat most Type R's all day long, and standard GTI T's wont be far behind
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Hence why the CTR pips most things off the line, then gets creamed once you've got into second gear.
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quite a few type R's round here. they don't seem to be fair, lot of them have gone smokey and probaly lost quite a bit of there poke from new
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Had a stab against my mate in his 59 reg CTR a few weeks ago, he now
needs wants a supercharger as I walked him rather badly :grin:
his is stock too, so 6.5 to 60mph against mine at 5.1. Manual V DSG. :grin:
I told him, but he wanted to see if mine was really that fast.......then after I took him out in it and he agreead it was much faster than his....even when his Vtec kicked in! :laugh:
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Typical CTR owner...thinknig they fast.
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Aint no MK4 gonna keep up with a Type R that's for sure!
Especially round corners, the mk4 is a pig!
Double wishbone rear on the Type R Vs Torsion Beam!
How I'd kill for multi link or double wishbone again!
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4motion might or R32!
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4motion might or R32!
Sorry excluding those, but they don't have torsion beam do they?
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No lol
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Last time I checked they are mk4's though :tongue:
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Last time I checked they are mk4's though :tongue:
:grin: :laugh: :grin: :rolleyes:
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I had a K20 turbo Integra before and it trashed a 2Ltr Twin turbo Skyline after a 2mile stretch.
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I had a K20 turbo Integra before and it trashed a 2Ltr Twin turbo Skyline after a 2mile stretch.
and my magic carpet shot past both of u :grin: :grin:
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I had a K20 turbo Integra before and it trashed a 2Ltr Twin turbo Skyline after a 2mile stretch.
and my magic carpet shot past both of u :grin: :grin:
How much do you want for the magic carpet? What's the mpg like and what does it use for fuel? Not gold dust is it? And would I need Car insurance or plane insurance? How many people can it carry? Are parts expensive? :grin:
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I had a K20 turbo Integra before and it trashed a 2Ltr Twin turbo Skyline after a 2mile stretch.
and my magic carpet shot past both of u :grin: :grin:
How much do you want for the magic carpet? What's the mpg like and what does it use for fuel? Not gold dust is it? And would I need Car insurance or plane insurance? How many people can it carry? Are parts expensive? :grin:
sorry bob its not for sale its 1 of 2 made aladdin has the other 1 :grin: :grin:
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I had a K20 turbo Integra before and it trashed a 2Ltr Twin turbo Skyline after a 2mile stretch.
and my magic carpet shot past both of u :grin: :grin:
How much do you want for the magic carpet? What's the mpg like and what does it use for fuel? Not gold dust is it? And would I need Car insurance or plane insurance? How many people can it carry? Are parts expensive? :grin:
sorry bob its not for sale its 1 of 2 made aladdin has the other 1 :grin: :grin:
Oh go on!?!? I'll give you 50p for it. :grin:
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just an update came up against the ctr angain in the dry today i got smoked quite badly :laugh:
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Depends whos driving lol.
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it didnt matter mate it could of been the stig driving mine and still lost the are quick cars in the dry but not good in the wet
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More power means more wheel spin and less traction.
Your car would be the same if it had more power.
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Ive had many trips in an integra and its only torque-less say in 5th at 30
then people will say it needs to be in high revs to get going but everybody races at top end revs anyway?
You dont see rossi screwing his bike keeping it below 3'000 rpm do you...
Most VW owners are only quick to slag of hondas because they are better driving machines, shame they sound like dysons :grin:
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Ive had many trips in an integra and its only torque-less say in 5th at 30
then people will say it needs to be in high revs to get going but everybody races at top end revs anyway?
You dont see rossi screwing his bike keeping it below 3'000 rpm do you...
Most VW owners are only quick to slag of hondas because they are better driving machines, shame they sound like dysons :grin:
Shouldn't you be on a honda forum somewhere? :wink:
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Shouldn't you be on a honda forum somewhere? :wink:
Nope because i drive a vw, a vr6 that will get eaten alive by a 1.8
Im not wearing my vw glasses
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Shouldn't you be on a honda forum somewhere? :wink:
Nope because i drive a vw, a vr6 that will get eaten alive by a 1.8
Im not wearing my vw glasses
Eaten alive by a 1.8? I do not follow...
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Honda integra is a 1.8
Will leave me like im stood still albeit I make the nicer noise :smiley:
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Honda integra is a 1.8
Will leave me like im stood still albeit I make the nicer noise :smiley:
Gotcha! No one likes a whiny 1.8!! :evil:
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I actually have the opportunity to buy this mint for 3k
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VW didn't really design the Golf to be as all out, more all round comfort/efficiency with good performance. The MK4 was the worst one so far. Getting 200bhp out of a VW 16v involves a big wallet and a lot of time/expertise. VTEC engine it's a lot easier, the VW 5 valve tech was an improvement mind.
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Actually the 5v tech wasn't all that great, hence why they changed back to 4v for the 2.0tfsi engine.
A 16v engine actually breathes better than a 20v :shocked:.... go figure :embarassed:
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wasn't the switch back to 4v more to do with making space for the injector?
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i think it will be more to do with emisions
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My VR beats Type R's all day long as soon as theres a little bit of an up hill gradient, the torque figures are sh!te on the Type R's
The 2nd Gens (around 2002) are 200 BHP but only 145ft/ib
The 3rd Gens (2005 on) are 198bhp and only 142ft/lb :shocked:
Dom's GTI T would eat most Type R's all day long, and standard GTI T's wont be far behind
That's not much more than an ABF :shocked:
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Typical CTR owner...thinknig they fast.
This
they are weak as f**k..
i don't mind them TBH, they just aint fast IMO
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yucAsuSRgs4
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Typical CTR owner...thinknig they fast.
This
they are weak as f**k..
i don't mind them TBH, they just aint fast IMO
there not weak they are quick cars for a 2.0 n/a they go very well when supercharged
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Great link steve!
I just think I don't like Hondas...I haven't had the chance yet but would my 150 DERV (190/300) smoke a type r ya reckon?
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From a rolling start (30mph) yes, mine does :evil: I love vtecs though, Ive had a few and will be going back one day :evil: :cool:
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i test drove a ctr when i was looking for a new car, was ok but not that fast, certainly not quick enough to justify the fuel bill, plus when youve finished acting twit and just want to drive somewhere the ride is shocking!
ended up buying a leon fr tdi 150bhp which when mapped was quicker for normal driving 90% of the time and did 58mpg (obviously didnt corner like the type r but didn't shatter you spine when you ran over a cats eye either!)
and as not to seem bias i also bought and broke (best thing you could do with a 150bhp mk4 in my opinion) a mk4 1.8t. That was Slooow, but mroe comfortable than a type r lol (to be fair death is probably more comfortable than driving around sheffield roads in a type r)
mat
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Your comparing a turbo'd car to a non turbo'd car.
How about you compare VW's 2.0 n/a engine instead.. :laugh: :laugh: :grin:
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Your comparing a turbo'd car to a non turbo'd car.
How about you compare VW's 2.0 n/a engine instead.. :laugh: :laugh: :grin:
Only good for a paper weight you mean?
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wer missing a few things here aha
1. the civic vtec engine im on about is not a type r vtec. just a 1.5 vtec pulled out of a standard civic
2. the 1.8t is in a mk1 golf not a mk4. running a qpeng managment at 200bhp
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wer missing a few things here aha
1. the civic vtec engine im on about is not a type r vtec. just a 1.5 vtec pulled out of a standard civic
2. the 1.8t is in a mk1 golf not a mk4. running a qpeng managment at 200bhp
Wrong thread :laugh:
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clio 182 vs type R?
Id go for clio. Awesome car, mate had one around ~200bhp and would pull to 160mph very easily.
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mine would be on the type r all day long
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mine would be on the type r all day long
never :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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a clio 197 would be a better match up :laugh:
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Type r's you have to frash the living hell out of them to go eney where now the Clio 197 not a bad choice of motor would be good race :grin:
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Replaced our mk4 1.8t with a Type R about 5 years ago, both brand new when purchased and both standard. 1.8t was no match for the Type R in performance not in a million years, only thing it bettered the Type R in was comfort. I've recently had a 1.8t that was reputedly 210bhp and it was still no match for a standard Type R, end of story girls.
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1.8T is better :wink:
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Given the choice I'd prefer the Honda. Much nicely packaged, better engineered and ultimately it was more fun to drive.
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Given the choice I'd prefer the Honda. Much nicely packaged, better engineered and ultimately it was more fun to drive.
Are you doubting German engineering :shocked: :wink:
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Given the choice I'd prefer the Honda. Much nicely packaged, better engineered and ultimately it was more fun to drive.
Are you doubting German engineering :shocked: :wink:
Not doubting German engineering, just proving that honda is better :wink:
Mk4 gold is more about cruising, comfort and having abit of poke, the honda is more focused but can still be a daily. Old people and bad backs will always back the golf.....
Given the choice id have an R32, if im going to have bad MPG then i may aswell have a grunty V6 than a henry hoover :grin:
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Given the choice I'd prefer the Honda. Much nicely packaged, better engineered and ultimately it was more fun to drive.
Are you doubting German engineering :shocked: :wink:
Not doubting German engineering, just proving that honda is better :wink:
Mk4 gold is more about cruising, comfort and having abit of poke, the honda is more focused but can still be a daily. Old people and bad backs will always back the golf.....
Given the choice id have an R32, if im going to have bad MPG then i may aswell have a grunty V6 than a henry hoover :grin:
LOL. Funny you should mention bad backs...I'm 22 going on 52 with the way my back feels at the mo :sad:
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Given the choice I'd prefer the Honda. Much nicely packaged, better engineered and ultimately it was more fun to drive.
Are you doubting German engineering :shocked: :wink:
:grin: VW engineering is a bit belts and braces sometimes with not much finesse, Honda are the other way around but get the same result.
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I had a K20 turbo Integra before and it trashed a 2Ltr Twin turbo Skyline after a 2mile stretch.
well it wasnt a nissan skyline with a 2ltr twin tub engine
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I had a K20 turbo Integra before and it trashed a 2Ltr Twin turbo Skyline after a 2mile stretch.
well it wasnt a nissan skyline with a 2ltr twin tub engine
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well evo is better than the type r and the golf hahahahahahaha
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well evo is better than the type r and the golf hahahahahahaha
Completely irrelevant in a thread titled 'golf gti turbo vs civic type r'.......
Type r engines have vr style mpg :laugh:
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Hi, I'm new here and have a mk4 1.8t. I have owned it now for 3 years, its all standard plus polybushed and every sensor replaced. I look after it well and love it. Since I been playing with it, and this car has not been mapped or bigger turbo etc, its all completely original, it has kept up with a 2008 m3, an s500 a few scoobies and even an evo, though that left me for around 100 mtr lol, my question is, can't these people drive their flash cars properly, or is my car gonna blow up. My mpg is fantastic at any speed, pulls with constant accelleration from 2000rpm to redline and still wants to go. It's been running like this for over a year without any hickups apart from spark plugs which once replaced from bosche to ngk, the car has ran like silk. Is my car running lean, and being an engineer, I know that cosworth (mahle) built pistons for our cars. I also know the pressure and temp these things can take as well as our incredibly strong block and head. I have the agu engine so no 279valve and no limp mode. Our little k03 has only a 4mm shaft so apparently a poor point. But these were tested to destruction by Borgwarner, the makers and they pushed them to 300'000 rpm and still never failed after 10 mins of glowing. Oh, I have never lost against any ctr, cupra r, tt's or ashtray vxr. Have I discovered a secret or shall I wait for the big bang.
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hi i have just had a play with a ctr on a long bypass near me,he had me at the lights for about 100 meters but i started reeling him in,i thought i would of got wasted as mines is only meant to be 180 bhp that is the first time iv git it some properly,it was spinning the front wheels in 2nd gear lol,im not sure it is 180 brake i think its more,i need to get on some rollers and see what the old girl is pushing
My mk 4 is totally standard, no chip or anything, agu engine and I can easily leave ctr on straight line, just not on corners yet. It has kept every bit of the way with an m3 and god they sound lovely at high revs. Kept with s500 on way home from work and he looked very surprised. Played with a few scoobies as wanted to see what my golf could do and pushed a megane 225. If you dont mind what could happen, wind that waste gate open till about 1/4 inch of thread left. our cosworth (mahle) pistons are forged and so can take running a lil lean no problem, the k03 was actually tested to 300'000 rpm for 10 minutes glowing without any failures, 4 times too and our blocks are cast iron. The turbo is beyond its efficientcy, but being little, is capable of the higher rpm speeds and stresses. Measure a gt30r blade diameter, then the shaft size. Now bring down that size of blade equally with the shaft diameter to the same size as a k03, you will see that that the k03 is bigger and so for stronger. Our new turbos, 300 quid lol, mines been running like this over a year now and regularly gets abused due to love my stomach being left behind and upsetting drivers of much more expensive cars. Oh, and the 5th gear pull, wow.
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Hi, I'm new here and have a mk4 1.8t. I have owned it now for 3 years, its all standard plus polybushed and every sensor replaced. I look after it well and love it. Since I been playing with it, and this car has not been mapped or bigger turbo etc, its all completely original, it has kept up with a 2008 m3, an s500 a few scoobies and even an evo, though that left me for around 100 mtr lol, my question is, can't these people drive their flash cars properly, or is my car gonna blow up. My mpg is fantastic at any speed, pulls with constant accelleration from 2000rpm to redline and still wants to go. It's been running like this for over a year without any hickups apart from spark plugs which once replaced from bosche to ngk, the car has ran like silk. Is my car running lean, and being an engineer, I know that cosworth (mahle) built pistons for our cars. I also know the pressure and temp these things can take as well as our incredibly strong block and head. I have the agu engine so no 279valve and no limp mode. Our little k03 has only a 4mm shaft so apparently a poor point. But these were tested to destruction by Borgwarner, the makers and they pushed them to 300'000 rpm and still never failed after 10 mins of glowing. Oh, I have never lost against any ctr, cupra r, tt's or ashtray vxr. Have I discovered a secret or shall I wait for the big bang.
stop takin drugs :laugh:
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What a load of bollocks! :grin:
Proper race on a proper track, CTR would leave a Mk4 Golf for dust. fact. :smiley:
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its all completely original, it has kept up with a 2008 m3, an s500 a few scoobies and even an evo, .
Where you in a traffic jam or playing a small child on gran turismo?
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a standard golf gti turbo beating a civic type r,bmw m3,merc 5 ltr v8 haha it wouldn't happen on grand turismo never mind in real life,a standard golf gti turbo is slower than a mk3 golf gti 16v believe me mate my remapped golf turbo got smoked of a standard civic type r end of give your head a wobble :laugh:
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Hi, I'm new here and have a mk4 1.8t. I have owned it now for 3 years, its all standard plus polybushed and every sensor replaced. I look after it well and love it. Since I been playing with it, and this car has not been mapped or bigger turbo etc, its all completely original, it has kept up with a 2008 m3, an s500 a few scoobies and even an evo, though that left me for around 100 mtr lol, my question is, can't these people drive their flash cars properly, or is my car gonna blow up. My mpg is fantastic at any speed, pulls with constant accelleration from 2000rpm to redline and still wants to go. It's been running like this for over a year without any hickups apart from spark plugs which once replaced from bosche to ngk, the car has ran like silk. Is my car running lean, and being an engineer, I know that cosworth (mahle) built pistons for our cars. I also know the pressure and temp these things can take as well as our incredibly strong block and head. I have the agu engine so no 279valve and no limp mode. Our little k03 has only a 4mm shaft so apparently a poor point. But these were tested to destruction by Borgwarner, the makers and they pushed them to 300'000 rpm and still never failed after 10 mins of glowing. Oh, I have never lost against any ctr, cupra r, tt's or ashtray vxr. Have I discovered a secret or shall I wait for the big bang.
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What a load of crap! A standard AGU would be absolutely murdered by those cars listed above :rolleyes:
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Oh my days.
Who honestly gives a feck. There is so much tripe in this thread it stinks. Lets face it, most people who own fast cars can't drive fast. My car isn't the fastest but it has me as a driver and as a result, between us, we would be able to beat everything mentioned. So there. [/End thread]
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Oh my days.
Who honestly gives a feck. There is so much tripe in this thread it stinks. Lets face it, most people who own fast cars can't drive fast. My car isn't the fastest but it has me as a driver and as a result, between us, we would be able to beat everything mentioned. So there. [/End thread]
so dont bother reading all 10 pages then shaun. ?
just a load of
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going on then :laugh:
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Didn't have to read all 10 pages, couple of posts was enough.
Time to start willy waving.
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i had a unicycle once completley standard but i kept up with a guy on a donkey a women in a wheel chair with one arm a guy walking backwards and some dude with one leg no mods just a few poly bushes and that inniit !
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i had a unicycle once completley standard but i kept up with a guy on a donkey a women in a wheel chair with one arm a guy walking backwards and some dude with one leg no mods just a few poly bushes and that inniit !
And the willy waving begins. :grin:
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i had a unicycle once completley standard but i kept up with a guy on a donkey a women in a wheel chair with one arm a guy walking backwards and some dude with one leg no mods just a few poly bushes and that inniit !
And the willy waving begins. :grin:
i thought it was another true story :grin: :grin: