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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Alan16ac on 21 January 2012, 20:49
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Had to sell my Mini Cooper S due to financial difficulty as my hours just kept going down and down!
It was so fun to drive, you just pointed and it went, could chuck it round any bend and it was forgiving for silly mistakes.
I have the Golf now, and I like it, I've always like golfs.
But you can't chuck it, it weighs a ton.
What cars can you think of, cheap older cars that are super fun on the twists but cheap!
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my old crx vtec was class for chucking about
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My wife has a stilo abarth,The exhaust fell off today and i would like to chuck it in the crusher lol
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Should've bought a MK2.
:wink:
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i have a mk2 16v but im too tight to tax it till end of the month lol.Trouble is she blaming me for "racing in it" hence the exhaust falling off lol.It would have been cheaper to tax my golf lol
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Saxo VTS? :lipsrsealed:
MGZR :lipsrsealed:
Cheap and fun, apparently (wouldnt want to own either mind)
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Should've bought a MK2.
:wink:
I was tempted!
But it's not practical enough.
My mates MK2 GTI is always breaking down!
Really miss cornering though!
It's killing me!
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Saxo VTS? :lipsrsealed:
MGZR :lipsrsealed:
Cheap and fun, apparently (wouldnt want to own either mind)
Saxo has that typical chav look.
I'd be like every other teenager.
Actually I turned 20 on Monday so I'm not a teenager lol.
MGZR...... it's a Rover :shocked: My Nan had a Rover 25 lol. Although I've been told they're good, but I'll just take their word for it.
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205 1.9 gti??
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My old bubble shape 200, lowered with strut brace, stuck to the road like sh!t to a blanket.
MGZRs are meant to be as good in standard form. Apparently the 2.0TD ZR handles better with extra engine weight? There is always the MG/Rover reliability issues though; I had my fingers burnt and will not go back.
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205 1.9 gti??
He wants something which goes around corners properly, not backwards into a ditch! :grin:
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205 1.9 gti??
He wants something which goes around corners properly, not backwards into a ditch! :grin:
Lol!
Just had a look, and Renault Clio 172s are pretty cheap!
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Clio Williams
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The other option is chuck money at the Golf to improve handling, but it weighs a Freekin ton!
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205 1.9 gti??
He wants something which goes around corners properly, not backwards into a ditch! :grin:
Only if you are stupid enough to lift off at the apex of a corner...
Not unlike so many cars.
205 GTI nowhere near as bad as people suggest...utterly controlable.
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Just had a look, and Renault Clio 172s are pretty cheap!
Any RenaultSport Clio...not the greatest built...bit they are chuckable.
Lupo GTI.
Integra Type R (DC2)
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I had a 106 gti. Didn't last long though :grin:
I replaced it with a Saxo vts. I put in some catcams 708 had it remapped and it made 163bhp. Stripped it a bit. Prob got it to 900kg
It was by far the best fun car iv had. Very quick and handled great loved it. Been thinking about getting another :grin: faster than a 172 cup too.
The build is shocking though
With catcam 808, solid lifters, change of valve springs, itb and some head porting. They can make between 180 and 190 bhp. That power and 800kg is a awesome fast road car!
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Should've bought a MK2.
:wink:
I was tempted!
But it's not practical enough.
My mates MK2 GTI is always breaking down!
Really miss cornering though!
It's killing me!
You never asked for practical. Even though it is.
And your mates MK2 is no reflection on the rest. :rolleyes:
Man up and buy a MK2.
Much Kudos.
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I had a 106 gti. Didn't last long though :grin:
I replaced it with a Saxo vts. I put in some catcams 708 had it remapped and it made 163bhp. Stripped it a bit. Prob got it to 900kg
It was by far the best fun car iv had. Very quick and handled great loved it. Been thinking about getting another :grin: faster than a 172 cup too.
The build is shocking though
With catcam 808, solid lifters, change of valve springs, itb and some head porting. They can make between 180 and 190 bhp. That power and 800kg is a awesome fast road car!
I'm tempted by a 106 or Saxo tbh, they're CHEAP!
But if I ever overstepped it's capabilities and more importantly mine. I'm pretty much dead, they don't hold up well in crashes do they?
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Should've bought a MK2.
:wink:
I was tempted!
But it's not practical enough.
My mates MK2 GTI is always breaking down!
Really miss cornering though!
It's killing me!
You never asked for practical. Even though it is.
And your mates MK2 is no reflection on the rest. :rolleyes:
Man up and buy a MK2.
Much Kudos.
They can look so nice, done properly too.
Decisions!
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Mini cooper old shape, super charge it, that will move like a go kart you can chuck around all day long!
Just don't go on motoways you will go deaf! :lipsrsealed:
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Mini cooper old shape, super charge it, that will move like a go kart you can chuck around all day long!
Just don't go on motoways you will go deaf! :lipsrsealed:
Have you seen the price of a decent one?!
Believe me if they were cheap I'd have one, they're SO much fun.
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I had a 106 gti. Didn't last long though :grin:
I replaced it with a Saxo vts. I put in some catcams 708 had it remapped and it made 163bhp. Stripped it a bit. Prob got it to 900kg
It was by far the best fun car iv had. Very quick and handled great loved it. Been thinking about getting another :grin: faster than a 172 cup too.
The build is shocking though
With catcam 808, solid lifters, change of valve springs, itb and some head porting. They can make between 180 and 190 bhp. That power and 800kg is a awesome fast road car!
I'm tempted by a 106 or Saxo tbh, they're CHEAP!
But if I ever overstepped it's capabilities and more importantly mine. I'm pretty much dead, they don't hold up well in crashes do they?
I hit a tree at 60mph. shattered my femur, but thats because I tensed up on inpact lol I'll try find the pics
worth a watch too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04cG9x6JaZ4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04cG9x6JaZ4) spanks a leon cupra r :grin:
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hitting a oak tree at 60mph in a 106 gti does this
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6738429783_0a8905560d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59145949@N03/6738429783/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59145949@N03/6738429783/) by tweedub (http://www.flickr.com/people/59145949@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6738435321_b2e96676b7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59145949@N03/6738435321/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59145949@N03/6738435321/) by tweedub (http://www.flickr.com/people/59145949@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6738442887_823ae138a4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59145949@N03/6738442887/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59145949@N03/6738442887/) by tweedub (http://www.flickr.com/people/59145949@N03/), on Flickr
I think it help up ok. not as bad as people think.
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306 gti the quite quick and chuckable and are cheap
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MX5
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Mini cooper old shape, super charge it, that will move like a go kart you can chuck around all day long!
Just don't go on motoways you will go deaf! :lipsrsealed:
Have you seen the price of a decent one?!
Believe me if they were cheap I'd have one, they're SO much fun.
haaaaa just read your first post ironic LOL!
TBH in my day we would buy wrecks and stick new engines in them to find a dog and do a transplant you could do anything with it I've seen V8 in a mini off a drag track ,I was floored at the time he got on 1/4 mile!
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MX5
This.
One near ish you for good money: http://www.mx5nutz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=86680
Buy it and do this: http://youtu.be/Tx-GsSzWku8 and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDqRmtZXMvY and maybe this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=4ZXRw_h0Q-Y
NIck
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AX GT :grin:
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i drove a saxo vtr the other day :angry:
pedals to closed together (size 10 shoes)
and build quality hmm
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You're speaking sh*te
Mini 1130kg
Golf3 16V 1140kg
Golf4 1290kg
Bigger car, more weight.
You want a car that's 'chuckable' but will hold up in a crash.
At the budget you must have, if you have one, you're unlikely to get the other.
Earn more, or deal with it.
The other option is to strip back some of the soundproofing on your (presumably) Golf4, refresh all the suspension bushes and engine mounts and fit some proper replacement suspension and a rear ARB.
I don't think you have the money for that.
The MINI felt 'chuckable' because it had rear independent suspension (Z-axle). Your Golf4 (I'm assuming that's what you have) has a torsion beam rear axle. Never going to be as good.
Go get a Golf5 GTI. That will be chuckable like the MINI. Oh hang on, you're only 20 and skint. You can't afford one.
So go get a Golf2. That's chuckable, but you will need to spend money on the chassis to refresh and restore it and there's the budget issue (and probably the insurance issue) again.
You have found a lower level of living standard. This probably sucks.
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i drove a saxo vtr the other day :angry:
pedals to closed together (size 10 shoes)
and build quality hmm
Your just used to a golf.
Close together is better for fast road and track driving.
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If you want MINI handling and can't afford an S, why not just get a Cooper or a One? Particularly the R50 (earlier shape One) which has a detuned Cooper lump (maps up to Cooper levels of performance).
Can't believe no one has suggested this yet.
And you won't be losing out on too much performance. Sound yes, but in terms of sheer grunt a well driven Cooper (EDIT: and remapped ONE approx 130bhp.) will 9 times out of 10 be able to keep up with a standard supercharged S (163hp).
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My old bubble shape 200, lowered with strut brace, stuck to the road like sh!t to a blanket.
MGZRs are meant to be as good in standard form. Apparently the 2.0TD ZR handles better with extra engine weight? There is always the MG/Rover reliability issues though; I had my fingers burnt and will not go back.
Head gasket?
MG ZR's are pretty reliable and the 170 is fairly rapid, my old 623 was reliable until the head gasket went, it was at the end of the block so pi55ed out oil, it was doing 25 mpg on petrol and 18 mpg on oil. :grin:
can't really complain, 170 bhp + heavy right foot + over 240,000 on the clock with no engine work ever done on it + ex mini cab = Death. :laugh: most reliable car I've had while it was working, 10,000 miles in 3 months, didn't put a foot wrong, most comfortable car I've ever been in as well.
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You're speaking sh*te
Mini 1130kg
Golf3 16V 1140kg
Golf4 1290kg
Bigger car, more weight.
You want a car that's 'chuckable' but will hold up in a crash.
At the budget you must have, if you have one, you're unlikely to get the other.
Earn more, or deal with it.
The other option is to strip back some of the soundproofing on your (presumably) Golf4, refresh all the suspension bushes and engine mounts and fit some proper replacement suspension and a rear ARB.
I don't think you have the money for that.
The MINI felt 'chuckable' because it had rear independent suspension (Z-axle). Your Golf4 (I'm assuming that's what you have) has a torsion beam rear axle. Never going to be as good.
Go get a Golf5 GTI. That will be chuckable like the MINI. Oh hang on, you're only 20 and skint. You can't afford one.
So go get a Golf2. That's chuckable, but you will need to spend money on the chassis to refresh and restore it and there's the budget issue (and probably the insurance issue) again.
You have found a lower level of living standard. This probably sucks.
mk1 and mk2 gti's are cheap to insure, a mk3 gti for me at 23 with 3 years no claims is over £800, for my girlfriend as an 18 year old learner it's upwards of £2000. a mk2 gti for me £500, for my girlfriend £807. usually old cars are cheap to insure, capri 2.8i, 924, xr3, rover sd1, all around £500 1.1 fiesta mk3/mk4 £1200.
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mk2 escort
now go find
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renault 19 16v or clio 16v one of the best cars i have owned for handling so far :smiley:
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If you want MINI handling and can't afford an S, why not just get a Cooper or a One? Particularly the R50 (earlier shape One) which has a detuned Cooper lump (maps up to Cooper levels of performance).
Can't believe no one has suggested this yet.
And you won't be losing out on too much performance. Sound yes, but in terms of sheer grunt a well driven Cooper (EDIT: and remapped ONE approx 130bhp.) will 9 times out of 10 be able to keep up with a standard supercharged S (163hp).
The other half has a Mini Cooper!
It's nothing like my S, my S was a facelift with 170 bhp as standard. Simple £200 mod and you've got 210 bhp with a reduced supercharger pully.
I just wish I'd have been able to keep it.
Having said that I drove to Germany in it and it was so uncomfortable, but the golf is great down the motorway.
I have a new job now so saving for some fun!
Don't know wether to mod the golf or buy another car and keep the golf as my daily.
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You're speaking sh*te
Mini 1130kg
Golf3 16V 1140kg
Golf4 1290kg
Bigger car, more weight.
You want a car that's 'chuckable' but will hold up in a crash.
At the budget you must have, if you have one, you're unlikely to get the other.
Earn more, or deal with it.
The other option is to strip back some of the soundproofing on your (presumably) Golf4, refresh all the suspension bushes and engine mounts and fit some proper replacement suspension and a rear ARB.
I don't think you have the money for that.
The MINI felt 'chuckable' because it had rear independent suspension (Z-axle). Your Golf4 (I'm assuming that's what you have) has a torsion beam rear axle. Never going to be as good.
Go get a Golf5 GTI. That will be chuckable like the MINI. Oh hang on, you're only 20 and skint. You can't afford one.
So go get a Golf2. That's chuckable, but you will need to spend money on the chassis to refresh and restore it and there's the budget issue (and probably the insurance issue) again.
You have found a lower level of living standard. This probably sucks.
I don't have the money right now no, but as I'm in a new job I'm saving.
Yes I'm only 20 but insurance isn't too bad, it's come down a lot. I passed my test 7 weeks after my 17th.
I nearly have 3 years no claims and I've not got any convictions or had any accidents.
I'm aware the Golf 4 is never going to be my many but I blew all my money from my parents on my Cooper S when I was 18, spent around £3000 modding it and over £4000 insuring it.
Now I realise how f*****g stupid I was and utterly regret it!
I guess In have to suffer the consequences of being impatient!
My budget currently is around £1000. But I'm putting away 200 - 300 now to get my self a "fun" car again.
Not sure wether to throw it a the golf or just buy a second car to have fun with.
I'd like a stripped car that I could use for track days.
I've never done track days other than the Nurburgring in the Mini.
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Get a kart :grin: much more fun and cheaper.
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Cant go wrong with a ZR! Cheap to buy, run and maintain and super fun to drive. As long as you can put up with everyone calling it a Rover and telling you that its crap :grin:
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Cant go wrong with a ZR! Cheap to buy, run and maintain and super fun to drive. As long as you can put up with everyone calling it a Rover and telling you that its crap :grin:
Our other car is a 220 coupe turbo.... fastest ever road production rover, people don't see it coming (it's a sh!tty old Rover!!) and it's immense fun, mainly just to wind people up!
Edit - I should qualify this by saying the only way it's kept going is by having a whole other donor car sat there ready to be cannibalised....
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Cant go wrong with a ZR! Cheap to buy, run and maintain and super fun to drive. As long as you can put up with everyone calling it a Rover and telling you that its crap :grin:
Cheap maintenance is not something I associate with a ZR, their good cars and fairly reliable yes, but parts are expensive, a bloke I lived with had his clutch cable snap a week after mine, I paid £18 for a clutch cable for a corsa b, he paid literally 10 times that £179.99 :shocked: I nearly fell through the floor when I saw the receipt!
He had taken it to a garage who tried to rip him off, they looked at it and said he needed a whole new clutch and quoted over a grand, I looked at it and said "just get the cable and I'll fit it, it'll only cost about £20" how wrong was I!
Everything that went wrong on my corsa went wrong on the ZR and vice versa within a week of the other, punctures, brakes, clutch cable, battery it was quite funny because in the end when something went wrong for one of us we ordered the part for the other car at the same time. :grin:
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First time I've seen a ZR described as fairly reliable...
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Get a kart :grin: much more fun and cheaper.
Yeah right :grin:!! More fun, definately!!! cheaper???? Only if you never drive it :laugh:
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Get a kart :grin: much more fun and cheaper.
Yeah right :grin:!! More fun, definately!!! cheaper???? Only if you never drive it :laugh:
It only needs a engine rebuild and tyres.
No road tax, no insurance. Nothing to go wrong. A used set of good tyres are £25
Trust me it's cheaper!
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dare I say a metro with a 1.8 vvc dropped in it? although not safe, they're bloody quick!
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Get a kart :grin: much more fun and cheaper.
Yeah right :grin:!! More fun, definately!!! cheaper???? Only if you never drive it :laugh:
It only needs a engine rebuild and tyres.
No road tax, no insurance. Nothing to go wrong. A used set of good tyres are £25
Trust me it's cheaper!
Is it? £1200 minimum for a semi decent rotax kart then there's safety equipment, spares, transport, track fees, race licence (provided you want to race in MSA races), maintenance and running costs (Fuel, oil, spark plugs, engine rebuilds, etc). I've racked up a pretty hefty amount since buying the chassis last summer. I'm probably in the region of £2500 and still have about £500 to spend on a couple of parts, race licence and club membership. This is excluding track fees at £40 per day.
Cheaper to buy a Mk4 :grin: :grin:
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First time I've seen a ZR described as fairly reliable...
I dont understand why people think they arent?!! :huh:
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First time I've seen a ZR described as fairly reliable...
I dont understand why people think they arent?!! :huh:
Because they read it on the internet innit. :grin:
Nick
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i never forget my mk1 astra gte. that thing cornered like it was on rails.
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I'm going to spend money on the golf anyway.
I really cant be arsed selling and buying another car!
So let the mods commence.
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First time I've seen a ZR described as fairly reliable...
I dont understand why people think they arent?!! :huh:
Because they read it on the internet innit. :grin:
Nick
I've owned one. :wink:
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out the box and im quite fond of them too....
clio cup 172 :lipsrsealed:
loads of fun!
EDIT: sorry cheap was mentioned too, so maybe the slightly weightier std. pre face lift 172, cheaper than a grand and as long as cambelt is done happy days!
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a kart is about the most expensive TOY i've ever owned. tho it did end up as a 500 gearbox :evil:
they eat parts used to seem like it cost £50 in spares to start the bloody thing, was fast tho
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First time I've seen a ZR described as fairly reliable...
I dont understand why people think they arent?!! :huh:
I don't understand either, Honda's with a rover badge.
My 623 had a Honda engine and gearbox and done over 240,000 miles, even the ashtray said Honda, it was an ex mini cab didn't get oil change or service for 7 years before I bought it, head gasket blew but other than that the engine was fine, left it sat in the garden as I was going to fix it, after 4 months I scrapped it, put the battery back on to load on the trailer and it started straight away.
People just think as old rovers blew head gaskets for fun, that they are all sh!te.
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Get a kart :grin: much more fun and cheaper.
Yeah right :grin:!! More fun, definately!!! cheaper???? Only if you never drive it :laugh:
It only needs a engine rebuild and tyres.
No road tax, no insurance. Nothing to go wrong. A used set of good tyres are £25
Trust me it's cheaper!
Is it? £1200 minimum for a semi decent rotax kart then there's safety equipment, spares, transport, track fees, race licence (provided you want to race in MSA races), maintenance and running costs (Fuel, oil, spark plugs, engine rebuilds, etc). I've racked up a pretty hefty amount since buying the chassis last summer. I'm probably in the region of £2500 and still have about £500 to spend on a couple of parts, race licence and club membership. This is excluding track fees at £40 per day.
Cheaper to buy a Mk4 :grin: :grin:
That's why I went to tkm and not rotax.
It can be cheap for a bit of fun. Your talking about racing. Yes that's expensive, because you need an up to date chassis. Running lean engines so need to be serviced all the time and regular engine rebuilds, ect.
But that's racing. Go run a race car and tell me how much that costs.
So ok for a bit of fun a kart is a lot cheaper. Lol buy a cheap rolling chassis for £200 tkm engine for £250, then get a helmet and a boiler suit. That's all you need for practice day.
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I don't understand either, Honda's with a rover badge.
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People just think as old rovers blew head gaskets for fun, that they are all sh!te.
Ummm, the 25, 45 and various MG clutter built on the same thing are not a lot of Honda, especially not from the 25 vintage onwards.
Most of the engines are definitely not Honda, they're Rover K-series, which can be OK, but has a number of design faults built-in which is why they blow head gaskets.
I've covered the reasons on here before, but unless they have a remote stat housing, the K is likely to blow its head gasket.
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Plastic dowels... Bad idea. Besides, speaking from experience, they're not reliable. Even the so-called more reliable 8v 1.4 k series will blow the o.e gasket prematurely. I know!
Went from a 3 grand rover to a 250 quid mk2 golf gti and never looked back :wink:
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I don't understand either, Honda's with a rover badge.
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People just think as old rovers blew head gaskets for fun, that they are all sh!te.
Ummm, the 25, 45 and various MG clutter built on the same thing are not a lot of Honda, especially not from the 25 vintage onwards.
Most of the engines are definitely not Honda, they're Rover K-series, which can be OK, but has a number of design faults built-in which is why they blow head gaskets.
I've covered the reasons on here before, but unless they have a remote stat housing, the K is likely to blow its head gasket.
The K series is what I was talking about when I said "old rovers blew head gaskets for fun"
Luckly I have not had a rover with a K series engine, nor has any of my friends, my 400 and 600 series rovers were honda engines, my mates between them have had a rover SD1, rover 75, rover 200 and 800, an MG ZR (This was one of a few ZR's that had a 180 bhp 1.6 honda engine which was never a car sold to the public.) , MG ZS, MG ZT, MG ZTT. None of these had a K series engine, so they were reliable.
Here's a review of the ZS The Rover 45 donor car was not known for being a driver's car, but in fact it was the best car in the Rover range for transformation into an MG, with its Honda heritage providing double-wishbone front suspension and fully independent multi-link rear suspension.
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Well, my point is that even if they do blow the head gasket - its a cheap and easy fix.
They just got tarred with this unreliable image, mine blew its head gasket when I first got it - £300 later and everythings hunky dorey, not had a problem since.
When I took my MG for its mot the other day (which it passed) there were 2 peugeots in there with blown gaskets and Ive also owned 2 golfs and a polo that have blown head gaskets, its not just a K series thing.
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Dragging this back on topic. Cheap, chuckable, reliable and the roff comes off. All kinds of win.
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Nick
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is the last picture a cut scene from death race? Who needs bodywork to drift!
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Those pics make me want one!! :cool:
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I was wondering why the MX5 hadn't popped up.
Love them, and I'm tempted!
Neatly bought one but the impracticality put me off.
My mate has a mk1 which I've driven! Suprisingly tail happy considering it's not that powerful.