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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: mk3tony on 20 January 2012, 21:18
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Evening all,
Just on my way back from remap (Thanks Rtech :cool:) and after 3 hours of being stuck in traffic I needed to stop for petrol. So fill up, pay, start up and head off. Suddenly its hard to engage gears, they'll eventually go in but sometimes they'll miss completely. So I take it easy and get her home. Is the remap prematurely killing the clutch or the gearbox?!
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could just be something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp9ggefOjAE
cant see it being clutch unless you can feel the clutch slipping
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forgot to say it was slipping. it was only like this after remap. Before remap there was a spongey feel at the bottom of pedal travel so i suspected the clutch needed replacing soon but wondering if the remap has just killed it quicker?
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yes a map will kill the clutch quicker due to the extra power its been putting through it, and i suspect you had a play will all that extra power on the way back :evil:
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could just be something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp9ggefOjAE
cant see it being clutch unless you can feel the clutch slipping
So if it takes a bit 'force' to get your car into 1st and 2nd, which mine does (only on first and 2nd), and you can feel almost like a 'crunch' when getting in gear if you do what this vid does could that cure that issue?
Thanks :smiley:
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damp road, remap test drive = wheel spin in third :cool: the gearbox wouldnt be a cause would it as i don't want to buy a new clutch and have it fitted to still have the same issues. I know the symptoms was a slipping clutch but difficult to engage gears? It was clunky when getting into all gears before but this is completely different
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My vr6 was like that and it turned out to be the gear linkage
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correct me if i'm wrong but isnt the linkage on a vr6 rods and on mine cable? would it get worse after a remap?
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never mind your clutch what figures did you make mate haha :laugh: :laugh: r-tech ftw :cool:
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if gears are hard to select its suggests the clutch isn't disengadeing fully, its hydralic you chould allways bleed it before pronounceing the clutch or box dead. just as likely a leacky / worn master or slave cyl
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My moneys on the clutch needs changing. :wink: I had this on a different car the next morning it wouldnt go in first gear.
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yes a map will kill the clutch quicker due to the extra power its been putting through it
Not always the case :smiley: driven carefully it should not shorten its life unless it was in poor health before.
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never mind your clutch what figures did you make mate haha :laugh: :laugh: r-tech ftw :cool:
stock:
153 bhp and 159 lb/ft
mapped
209bhp and 237lb/ft :cool:
i think i'll get the clutch done anyway and go from there. wont be driving the car for a few days now :( this is torture!
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if gears are hard to select its suggests the clutch isn't disengadeing fully, its hydralic you chould allways bleed it before pronounceing the clutch or box dead. just as likely a leacky / worn master or slave cyl
just recently has gearbox oil changed to see if it would help so they were all checked as had service at the same time
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bleeding the clutch is not the same as gearbox fluid..
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No but clutch fluid was checked. Either way I need a new clutch to cope with power so i'll do that first then go from there :smiley:
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No but clutch fluid was checked. Either way I need a new clutch to cope with power so i'll do that first then go from there :smiley:
still doesnt rule out air in it :smiley:
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I had problems engaging 1st and 2nd gear and eventually they went all together. It is a common ish problem with the MK4 boxes. It's the selector fork for 1st and 2nd that goes meaning you can no longer select them gears. Do a google search on MK4 golf gear selector problem. Mine ended up costing me £800 as driving home in 3rd, from where the gears went, meant the clutch was fooked as well. I suggest doing a little research and see if what other people have experienced is what happened with yours then maybe get a gearbox specialist to have a look at it. They have to remove the box to do the clutch so it'll probably be worth doing that as well if it comes to it.
The vid that was posted maybe the same one I saw regarding resetting the gear linkages manually and it is worth a try but it didn't work in my case. Google search may help you determine what could be the cause and help you decide how to go about it.
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It was all gears, doesnt engage gears properly. Spoke to a specialisy and they said sounds like clutc. I've ordered ecs stage 1 kit with lighter flywheel and should get fitted tuesday so will go from there!
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i had problems getting first from cold,and a notchy feel in both 1st and 2nd,for about a year-3 different garage's told me there was nothing wrong with it,just kept lubing up the linkage.eventualy,i had the gear box oil checked,and hey presto,it had a hint of cooper/bronze in the oil,which meant there was damage in the box.i was lucky,and found a low (lower than mime!) milage box for £110 and it's like new.
hope ya get it sorted,must be murder not being able to use your newly mapped motor?!! :angry:
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I had problems engaging 1st and 2nd gear and eventually they went all together. It is a common ish problem with the MK4 boxes. It's the selector fork for 1st and 2nd that goes meaning you can no longer select them gears. Do a google search on MK4 golf gear selector problem. Mine ended up costing me £800 as driving home in 3rd, from where the gears went, meant the clutch was fooked as well. I suggest doing a little research and see if what other people have experienced is what happened with yours then maybe get a gearbox specialist to have a look at it. They have to remove the box to do the clutch so it'll probably be worth doing that as well if it comes to it.
:angry: My 1st and 2nd gears have been gettig stiff to get into :cry:
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reverse is an arse to get into and when cold getting into 2nd was just a little grindy, i'll get the clutch done and then see what happens
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i had problems getting first from cold,and a notchy feel in both 1st and 2nd,for about a year-3 different garage's told me there was nothing wrong with it,just kept lubing up the linkage.eventualy,i had the gear box oil checked,and hey presto,it had a hint of cooper/bronze in the oil,which meant there was damage in the box.i was lucky,and found a low (lower than mime!) milage box for £110 and it's like new.
hope ya get it sorted,must be murder not being able to use your newly mapped motor?!! :angry:
Can you lube the linkages yourself, and what would you use to this with? Also can you 'check' the gear box oil as well & or change it your self?
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check the how to section scarr, theres a thread on changing the gear box oil i'm sure :wink:
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I heard something a while ago about just ajusting the gear linkage? Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp9ggefOjAE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp9ggefOjAE)
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I heard something a while ago about just ajusting the gear linkage? Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp9ggefOjAE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp9ggefOjAE)
I think some one mentioned that isn't the reason why you get clunky gears. However it may help if you do this.
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it will still be the first thing i do once new clutch is in!
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check the how to section scarr, theres a thread on changing the gear box oil i'm sure :wink:
Found it, but with no pictures :undecided: :sad:
Are the boxes on the DERV the same as petrols? I have a GTTDI see and would very much like to do this but am wondering if the guides would be different... :huh:
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So I took the car for a little drive, after a spirited trip all I could smell was clutch, is this a goodsign as in it would indicate clutch and nor gearbox?!
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yes as long as it was clutch you could smell and not molten gearbox parts :shocked:
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so update..
Got a call saying clutch is all fitted. ECS Stage 1, turns out the clutch plate had split in 2! they showed me in and said that would be why i was having trouble! The clutch itself wasnt actually that worn but at least thats all changed now. Single Mass conversion with 14lb flywheel.
BUT, go to start it and see smoke coming from bay, starter motors fried. So once again I am left car less! WHEN WILL IT END :cry:
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so update..
Got a call saying clutch is all fitted. ECS Stage 1, turns out the clutch plate had split in 2! they showed me in and said that would be why i was having trouble! The clutch itself wasnt actually that worn but at least thats all changed now. Single Mass conversion with 14lb flywheel.
BUT, go to start it and see smoke coming from bay, starter motors fried. So once again I am left car less! WHEN WILL IT END :cry:
It wont / it doesn't :kiss:
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if that was the first turn of the key since the gearbox got bolted back on, check the flywheel isn't jammed
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if that was the first turn of the key since the gearbox got bolted back on, check the flywheel isn't jammed
Good point !
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how would you know? They took the starter motor out because I was there and put a live onto it and the piston went up but the cog didnt turn so they're getting a new starter motor tomorrow
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Turn the engine over by hand via the bottom pulley on the cam belt end and see if it turns. Take the plugs out to make it easier too
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So an update, new starter motor and all is fine bar some maf issues :angry:.
Anyway 1st and 3rd aren't engaging properly. Its not all the time, but most, you move it up, it sort of goes 3/4 the way and then stops. Press clutch down, release and try again and it goes in fine. Air in the system, slave/master cylinder or gearbox? :cry:
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anyone got any suggestions?
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you might need to re adjust the linkages.
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Did you have the clutch bled?
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i'm not sure mate, i'm assuming so if they did all that? it was fine at first but problem started again the other day and its definately only 1st 3rd and 5th.
As soon as i figure out how to get the gaitor up i'll adjust the linkages