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Title: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: andynorfolk on 16 January 2012, 21:42
ever since lowering my car on coilovers the fronts have had positive camber while the rear has had a bit of negative camber...

i can't for the life of me work out why the fronts have positive camber after lowering... any help much appreciated :D :smiley:
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: benvictors on 16 January 2012, 21:47
You can adjust the camber on the front with the two bolts that hold the strut to the hub, jack it up. take ya wheel off, loosen the bottom bolt slightly and the top bolt more, you can then pivot the hub slightly to adjust the camber  :wink:
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 16 January 2012, 21:48
mcpherson strut suspension adds positive camber as the wheel rises basically
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: andynorfolk on 16 January 2012, 21:50
how much camber can you actually get from just adjusting the the strut bolts then?
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: benvictors on 16 January 2012, 21:51
Think its about 3-4 degrees each way from memory
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: DOA on 16 January 2012, 21:52
mcpherson strut suspension adds positive camber as the wheel rises basically

Depends where in the stroke you are and the specific geometry but typically struts do not add positive camber on bump travel  :rolleyes:. Perhaps your confusing bump with roll......
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: Thom89 on 16 January 2012, 22:11
Can of worms now officially open!

Thom
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: scarr89 on 16 January 2012, 23:35
You can adjust the camber on the front with the two bolts that hold the strut to the hub, jack it up. take ya wheel off, loosen the bottom bolt slightly and the top bolt more, you can then pivot the hub slightly to adjust the camber  :wink:

On a mk4 are there 4 bolts, underneath the hub, that bolt it to the wishbone right?
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: Diamond Hell on 17 January 2012, 02:01
You can adjust the camber on the front with the two bolts that hold the strut to the hub, jack it up. take ya wheel off, loosen the bottom bolt slightly and the top bolt more, you can then pivot the hub slightly to adjust the camber  :wink:

This, but unless you understand how to set up geometry and have either a set of gauges, or know how to accurately set up your front suspension manually, take it to a Protyre branch or similar and get them to set it up.

Ten quid says you've done the idiotic thing of bolting up coilovers and not taking it to a garage to get it set up.  Check your tyres for uneven wear.  I'll wager whatever turd you've nailed the coilovers to pulls to one side or the other under acceleration.  :grin:

Get it set up properly.  It will make a massive difference and will stop your car eating tyres. For road use I'd recommend -0.5 - -1 degrees of negative camber, which will sharpen turn in and improve in-corner grip.
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: mcgee9t2 on 17 January 2012, 12:49
You can adjust the camber on the front with the two bolts that hold the strut to the hub, jack it up. take ya wheel off, loosen the bottom bolt slightly and the top bolt more, you can then pivot the hub slightly to adjust the camber  :wink:

This, but unless you understand how to set up geometry and have either a set of gauges, or know how to accurately set up your front suspension manually, take it to a Protyre branch or similar and get them to set it up.

Ten quid says you've done the idiotic thing of bolting up coilovers and not taking it to a garage to get it set up.  Check your tyres for uneven wear.  I'll wager whatever turd you've nailed the coilovers to pulls to one side or the other under acceleration.  :grin:

Get it set up properly.  It will make a massive difference and will stop your car eating tyres. For road use I'd recommend -0.5 - -1 degrees of negative camber, which will sharpen turn in and improve in-corner grip.
by "set up" do you just mean have the tracking ect checked/ adjusted?

just fitted my coilovers and was going to get the tracking checked out this weekend but is there more that needs to be checked out?
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: SoundillusioN on 17 January 2012, 13:21
You can adjust the camber on the front with the two bolts that hold the strut to the hub, jack it up. take ya wheel off, loosen the bottom bolt slightly and the top bolt more, you can then pivot the hub slightly to adjust the camber  :wink:

This, but unless you understand how to set up geometry and have either a set of gauges, or know how to accurately set up your front suspension manually, take it to a Protyre branch or similar and get them to set it up.

Ten quid says you've done the idiotic thing of bolting up coilovers and not taking it to a garage to get it set up.  Check your tyres for uneven wear.  I'll wager whatever turd you've nailed the coilovers to pulls to one side or the other under acceleration.  :grin:

Get it set up properly.  It will make a massive difference and will stop your car eating tyres. For road use I'd recommend -0.5 - -1 degrees of negative camber, which will sharpen turn in and improve in-corner grip.
by "set up" do you just mean have the tracking ect checked/ adjusted?

just fitted my coilovers and was going to get the tracking checked out this weekend but is there more that needs to be checked out?

Yes, Camber setup as per this thread.  Tracking is a different thing altogether
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: mcgee9t2 on 17 January 2012, 15:21
You can adjust the camber on the front with the two bolts that hold the strut to the hub, jack it up. take ya wheel off, loosen the bottom bolt slightly and the top bolt more, you can then pivot the hub slightly to adjust the camber  :wink:

This, but unless you understand how to set up geometry and have either a set of gauges, or know how to accurately set up your front suspension manually, take it to a Protyre branch or similar and get them to set it up.

Ten quid says you've done the idiotic thing of bolting up coilovers and not taking it to a garage to get it set up.  Check your tyres for uneven wear.  I'll wager whatever turd you've nailed the coilovers to pulls to one side or the other under acceleration.  :grin:

Get it set up properly.  It will make a massive difference and will stop your car eating tyres. For road use I'd recommend -0.5 - -1 degrees of negative camber, which will sharpen turn in and improve in-corner grip.
by "set up" do you just mean have the tracking ect checked/ adjusted?

just fitted my coilovers and was going to get the tracking checked out this weekend but is there more that needs to be checked out?

Yes, Camber setup as per this thread.  Tracking is a different thing altogether
ah ok. i always thought they might have checked camber when doing tracking
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: tweed on 17 January 2012, 16:53
Some places don't do camber. I live in a small town and no one does it.

I pushed mine all the way in and I have even wear on the front. However I have -2 on the back, and they will need changing soon. Rears have lasted 4000 miles  :grin:
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: Bellend on 17 January 2012, 19:04
Some places don't do camber. I live in a small town and no one does it.

I pushed mine all the way in and I have even wear on the front. However I have -2 on the back, and they will need changing soon. Rears have lasted 4000 miles  :grin:

Get the rear tyres swapped round when they're half worn.  :grin:
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: raferackstraw on 17 January 2012, 19:46
as DH said get it to someone who knows their stuff, i had been removing driveshafts and refitting and had marked position of hubs and bolts so thought i had put it back together as near as damn it as it was.
 after finally stopping hub seal leak on g/box i took it to one of them hunter [ i think they are called ] alignment centres,
 bluddy thing was miles out iirc summat like 16 pos on one side and toe was again miles out. the guy got it down to what DH  said and fook me what a difference. combined with correct tyre pressures was like having power steering and handling was transformed  :wink:
Title: Re: positive camber on the front :S
Post by: tweed on 18 January 2012, 15:41
Some places don't do camber. I live in a small town and no one does it.

I pushed mine all the way in and I have even wear on the front. However I have -2 on the back, and they will need changing soon. Rears have lasted 4000 miles  :grin:

Get the rear tyres swapped round when they're half worn.  :grin:

Inside/outside tyres  :sad: lol