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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: cossiemark on 15 January 2012, 12:44
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Right looking for a Mk4 gti but not sure which model to buy we have been looking at the 2.0 litre and the 1.8 Turbo but unsure which is best. I'm sure every one has there own opinion but which is best on miles per gallon and which will be the best engine for milage as these cars are never low milage cars unless your very lucky and you have loads of money to spend. I am interested in a 1.8 turbo but it has done 140000 no survice history is that to high for that engine and a 2.0 litre with 169000 but with some history up to 87000. So any info would be most appreciated.
cheers mark
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2.0 8v is not the best engine - drinks oil and petrol. and only 115 bhp
1.8 N/A 125 bhp or 1.8T 150 /180 bhp is better on fuel doent drink oil and is quicker :smiley:
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1.8t every day of the week. I wouldn't touch anything with that mileage unless it had comprehensive history with it.
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There's plenty around to choose from, depending on your budget.
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2.0 is nippy, reliable and cheap to insure. There are faster clios than 1.8T's. :lipsrsealed:
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lol the 2.0 is the worst Golf and engine they've ever made. Even the 1.8 n/a is better!
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the 2.0 isnt a real gti :rolleyes: :grin: avoid :wink:
1.8t :smiley:
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1.8t all day long mate :smiley:
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2.0 is nippy, reliable and cheap to insure. There are faster clios than 1.8T's. :lipsrsealed:
Maybe - but they're French crap made out of tin foil!! :grin:
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2.0 is nippy, reliable and cheap to insure. There are faster clios than 1.8T's. :lipsrsealed:
Maybe - but they're French crap made out of tin foil!! :grin:
^^no maybe about it^^ :wink: as its not true :wink:
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1.8t Every day from me, Steer clear from the 2.0 they nowhere reliable or as quick as the 1.8t.
If funds wont allow then atleast for the 1.8N/A gti thats still 125bhp which is more than the 2.0 :grin:
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You can grab yourself an alright 1.8T for under £2k easily. Or a bit over will get you a great one.
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Any of the engines mentioned will be fine with high mileage provided they have been serviced regularly.
Especially oil changes - one thing to consider is a replacement oil pick up pipe which can become blocked over time only £15 for piece of mind :smiley:
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Neither.
1.9TDI
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Neither.
1.9TDI
:smiley: Youl get alot more smiles per gallon this way!!!
Although I smile when passing them :grin:
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2.0 is nippy, reliable and cheap to insure. There are faster clios than 1.8T's. :lipsrsealed:
Yeah and there are faster clios than the 2.0! And in my experience it's really unreliable and drinks oil like theres no tomorrow.
So not sure how your statement justifies buying the 2 litre?
It's EVEN SLOWER.
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2.0 sucks bad. Why they put GTI on it . :rolleyes: God the old Rs 1800 had 150 bhp with out a turbo, 115 bhp for a 2 litre sucks. I got 115 bhp out of my fiesta xr2i 1.6 litre 8 valve. :wink:
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i own a 2.0 gti..also known in the service book as a highline....it may not be as quick as a 1.8t...but reading tales of woe on this forum, seems to be a a damn sight more reliable.
my 2.0 returns around 32mpg..and i dont exactly hang about :wink: again , reading how many miles to £10 worth of petrol type posts..again seems to be better than the other models...except an oil burner
as an every day car it does everything you would want.
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i own a 2.0 gti..also known in the service book as a highline....it may not be as quick as a 1.8t...but reading tales of woe on this forum, seems to be a a damn sight more reliable.
my 2.0 returns around 32mpg..and i dont exactly hang about :wink: again , reading how many miles to £10 worth of petrol type posts..again seems to be better than the other models...except an oil burner
as an every day car it does everything you would want.
I diagree AGU 1.8T engines rock :wink:
Never uses any oil.
I can get 42mpg when driven carefully - or 37mpg average :wink:
Waterpump aside mine has been a brillant engine its on 148k now too
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I diagree AGU 1.8T engines rock :wink:
Never uses any oil.
I can get 42mpg when driven carefully - or 37mpg average :wink:
Waterpump aside mine has been a brillant engine its on 148k now too
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+1 on the above. I have a driveway done engine conversion with the above engine AGU 1.8t and its been super reliable and returns about the same mpg with a spec 1 R-Tech remap. Definatley gets a thumbs up from me for the 1.8t, specially over the 2.0 in my opinion.
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1.8t ftw, best all round choice, how the hell something with 115bhp could ever be badged as a GTI I will never know.
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1.8T all the way, if you can get an AGU, less things to go wrong and don't come with lipstick and traction control mostly :smug:
Less things to go wrong, I always get AUM boys coming to me to help in some way or form :grin: Plus all the AUM boys do is end up building their engines into AGU's, oh wait n249 failed, lets remove this, SAI failed, lets bypass this, oh lets get rid of the n112 etc.... so they end up with an AGU setup. Only downside with AGU is no VVT and the piss poor k03 turbo, why vw gave us this cr@p I do not know.
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1.8T all the way, if you can get an AGU, less things to go wrong and don't come with lipstick and traction control mostly :smug:
Less things to go wrong, I always get AUM boys coming to me to help in some way or form :grin: Plus all the AUM boys do is end up building their engines into AGU's, oh wait n249 failed, lets remove this, SAI failed, lets bypass this, oh lets get rid of the n112 etc.... so they end up with an AGU setup. Only downside with AGU is no VVT and the piss poor k03 turbo, why vw gave us this cr@p I do not know.
Much easier & cheaper to delete SAI & n249/112 valves than to add a ko3s :wink:
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I dunno why people are saying the 2 litre is unreliable, it's not very quick and perhaps it shouldn't really have a GTI badge but there's no reliability issues. If you want speed it's got to be a 1.8t but for a reliable run around with the all the GTI trim there's nothing wring with a 2 litre. Also this myth about oil consumption I have had mine for 3 years and it hasn't needed any extra oil outside of yearly oil changes. People on here have this thing about the 2 litre being the work of satan i wonder how many people who say to avoid it have actually driven one.
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I dunno why people are saying the 2 litre is unreliable, it's not very quick and perhaps it shouldn't really have a GTI badge but there's no reliability issues. If you want speed it's got to be a 1.8t but for a reliable run around with the all the GTI trim there's nothing wring with a 2 litre. Also this myth about oil consumption I have had mine for 3 years and it hasn't needed any extra oil outside of yearly oil changes. People on here have this thing about the 2 litre being the work of satan i wonder how many people who say to avoid it have actually driven one.
I have driven them test drove before i got the 1.8T - and a friend of mine had one which i also have driven.
Most 2.0 8v engines use oil it is no myth - http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/57513/435471.aspx
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&f=86&t=1066846&mid=0&nmt=Mk4+Golf+GTi+2.0+8v+AZJ%2FAZH+-+Oil+Consumption
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1719309-Jetta-s-Burning-Oil
have a search on here too.
Its not just the speed though is it - a 1.8 NON turbo is better on fuel and drives much better than a 2.0
1.8 with 125bhp
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2.0 with 115bhp worse on fuel, use oil, slower, has old engine technology comes with all the other mk4 faults its a no brainer really.
All of that said its not the worst car in the world far from it :wink: As a cruiser it does the job ok.
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i would rather have a 1.6 than the 2.0 8v
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I've read about the oil consumption but I have never experienced it, yet. Fuel consumption, I usually get 30 mpg plus. Like you said the car is a good cruiser, I have no complaints as long as you know what you are buying.
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This is not an attack on the 2.0 but the thread is asking which engine to buy - i cannot find any reasons why you would buy a 2.0 over the other engine choices.
If you have a 2.0 and it does what you want / need then thats cool :afro:
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Id have an SDI over the 2.0
Modded 1.8t all day
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modded 1.8t is expensive on insurance tho. 2.0 is cheap.
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modded 1.8t is expensive on insurance tho. 2.0 is cheap.
Not always, specialist companies are available, 2.0 is still classed as a GTI at the end of the day.
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2.0 GTI more expensive for me on insurance.
Got my 1.8t for £900 in the end :)
I'm only 20 btw
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makes my insurance seem very cheap at £250 fully comp....and i was smarting a bit at that price.. :rolleyes:
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makes my insurance seem very cheap at £250 fully comp....and i was smarting a bit at that price.. :rolleyes:
I'd love to pay £250 for insurance, but I'm 20 which means I can only drive into trees, and other commuters :smiley:
I've had my licence since 17, no claims or convictions but it's still expensive.
My Mini Cooper S renewal came through at £1650!
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makes my insurance seem very cheap at £250 fully comp....and i was smarting a bit at that price.. :rolleyes:
I'd love to pay £250 for insurance, but I'm 20 which means I can only drive into trees, and other commuters :smiley:
I've had my licence since 17, no claims or convictions but it's still expensive.
My Mini Cooper S renewal came through at £1650!
My Mini is £91 for the year :laugh: (Classic mini though :wink: )
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makes my insurance seem very cheap at £250 fully comp....and i was smarting a bit at that price.. :rolleyes:
I'd love to pay £250 for insurance, but I'm 20 which means I can only drive into trees, and other commuters :smiley:
I've had my licence since 17, no claims or convictions but it's still expensive.
My Mini Cooper S renewal came through at £1650!
My Mini is £91 for the year :laugh: (Classic mini though :wink: )
Ooo! Nice!
I'm too young to even get classic insurance or I'd have a Mini! A Mini that is not a MINI.
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2.0 GTI more expensive for me on insurance.
Got my 1.8t for £900 in the end :)
I'm only 20 btw
how is that? Its at least three groups lower..
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2.0 GTI more expensive for me on insurance.
Got my 1.8t for £900 in the end :)
I'm only 20 btw
how is that? Its at least three groups lower..
Groups mean nothing really....
All sorts of things are taken into account.
For instance, if a certain make or model of car is involved in accidents more, it's seen as higher risk to insurers, therefor puts insurance up.
Insurance on a Citroen Saxo VTS for me is £3000+ as it's seen as a high risk car even though it's insurance group is lower.
My Mum's 1.5 DCI Nissan Qahqai was circa 2000 for me, yet again my Golf GTI 1.8T is cheaper.
Groups mean nothing, and insurance companies are ****
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so on that basis, more accidents happen in a 2.0 gti than a1.8t? :grin:
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so on that basis, more accidents happen in a 2.0 gti than a1.8t? :grin:
Lol, it was an example :grin: although my cousin crashed my aunties 2.0 :tongue: