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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Dave_IOW on 18 December 2011, 16:34

Title: Meth injection so far...
Post by: Dave_IOW on 18 December 2011, 16:34
Right, got the spanners out today and thought i'd make a start after fitting BAM fuel pump.

Un-wired subs and amps, never to go back in  :laugh:

Took up boot carpet and removed spare wheel.

Bolted pump into spare wheel well.

Bolted tank onto rear seats, didn't enjoy putting holes into leather Recaro seats but oh well  :rolleyes:

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f11/Wellowpartys/IMAG0293.jpg)

Connected them both up with the push fit connections, very easy.

I was going to use the washer bottle in engine bay, but decided, that runs out quick enough anyway and i had a tank so might aswell use it  :afro:

Im going to get a level sensor and screw that into tank to warn me when its getting low.

Next was deciding where to run the pipework, didnt really want it running through car, so underneath it had to go, following the fuel lines.

I poked a hole in one of the bungs in wheel well and pushed the line through.

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f11/Wellowpartys/IMAG0294.jpg)

That was the boot part done for now, bar wiring, which i will tackle later.

Boot carpet back in and looks pretty tidy!   :grin:

Left enough room for small amp, incase i want to amp all four door speakers later on again if i get pi55ed off at no music  :laugh:  no subs ever again though.

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f11/Wellowpartys/IMAG0299.jpg)

Next ran it down drivers side of the car, past rear ARB and to the first bit of fuel line i could find, and zip-tied to that  :smiley:

After that there was a spare rail with all the others running up so clipped it along there..

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f11/Wellowpartys/IMAG0304.jpg)

From the back you can see where it runs, the bit that looks 'looped out' and waggling about isn't actually like that, thats where i first tied it too, and isn't flapping about atall lol   :laugh:

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f11/Wellowpartys/IMAG0298.jpg)

Finally, im not sure what that 'box' is underneath car about halfway back, but it had wiring running to engine bay, so followed that, just as it pokes into engine bay has inline filter, and the hose is left ready for when inlet manifold goes on.

Engine bay filthy as usual but you can see hose ready to be attached  :smiley:

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f11/Wellowpartys/IMAG0300.jpg)

And here is a picture of inlet manifold to go on, which will be final stage when i have installed the level sensor and programmed the progressive controller in.

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f11/Wellowpartys/IMAG0305.jpg)

Just the wiring to do now, which looks pretty simple, then buy some meth and some distilled water  :afro:
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Post by: Toby on 18 December 2011, 16:37
nice install :O no sub! :O

my amp died when i put it in the white golf! and still aint got another amp  :laugh: does my nut  :angry:


and that engine bay really needs a wash :O thats terrible! :shocked:
Title: Re: Meth injection so far...
Post by: Dave_IOW on 18 December 2011, 16:41
I only ever turn the stereo on to listen to Chris Moyles on way to work, and Scott Mills on way home, 10 mins each way!

Plus them subs were HEAVY, cant be helping with acceleration  :laugh:
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Post by: Toby on 18 December 2011, 16:47
i guess! i have a stubby areal so its ipod only for me and all i listen to is drum and bass! im waiting till i got enough to do a full install!
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Post by: jamie16v on 18 December 2011, 16:49
nice work dave, but take the pipe off your anti roll bar!  :wink: how much did you pay for the kit by the way?.
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Post by: harlemex on 18 December 2011, 16:53
what the hell is this anyway?? Oh and get off them yellow lines  :grin:
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 18 December 2011, 17:07
nice work dave, but take the pipe off your anti roll bar!  :wink: how much did you pay for the kit by the way?.

Loads of slack bud and left zip tie loose, was hard to find somewhere to attach it too  :laugh:

Price... £240 delivered with the tank  :afro:
Title: Re: Meth injection so far...
Post by: Dave_IOW on 18 December 2011, 17:08
what the hell is this anyway?? Oh and get off them yellow lines  :grin:

Cools intake temps down and allows timing advance!

Kerb + 2 axle stands = 4 post lift  :grin:
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Post by: daz veedub on 18 December 2011, 17:33
nice work mate loving this   :smiley: :cool:
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Post by: mcgee9t2 on 18 December 2011, 17:37
looks good mate, what sort of gains do you expect to see?
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Post by: Chris. on 18 December 2011, 18:51
Be interesting to see the gains.

What wiring is there?

Is the methanol expensive?
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 18 December 2011, 20:08
Methanol is £25 for 25litres, eBay.

Distilled water, cheap.

Apparently a 4litre container will last roughly a whole tank of petrol.

Won't be that much really.

Gains...? Unsure.

Lower temps and bit more advance, maybe 5-10hp for £5 per tank full of petrol can't be that bad..
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Post by: Chris. on 18 December 2011, 20:09
Oooo, just depends whether it needs to be mapped on a rolling road or tweaks can be done from vagcom logs.

Only thing is the setup isnt cheap :(
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 18 December 2011, 21:30
Indeed, im only putting it on for when i go to R-Tech to have custom session. Dont expect any real gains from it till then tbh.
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Post by: Chris. on 18 December 2011, 21:39
Its just the price thats putting me off.  I dont mind running it as the meth aint too expensive.

£500 for a good kit  (or whatever it costs) is a lot for 5bhp. 
Title: Re: Meth injection so far...
Post by: Dave_IOW on 18 December 2011, 21:52
Under £250 pal, most are sub £300..  :afro:

AEM
Aquamist
Devils own
Snow

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Post by: Chris. on 18 December 2011, 21:57
ahhh, I still dont know, its a lot of money for little price and hassle of changing maps etc.

Next route would be nitrous and water meth, but i imagine it would crank the torque up a bit too much for the poor rods.
Title: Re: Meth injection so far...
Post by: Dave_IOW on 18 December 2011, 22:00
Ive only really fitted it to keep intake temps down, its just like having gigantic intercooler  :wink:

Cant do any harm!
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Post by: Chris. on 18 December 2011, 22:01
What IC you got?

I got THS and see temps around 25c at inlet according to VCDS
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 18 December 2011, 22:02
Ebay core, but with 2.5inch pipework.

I will have a DIY twinpass by the time it gets mapped though.
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Post by: Chris. on 18 December 2011, 22:04
Ahhh.

If i know how vagcom reported timing and what was set out in my map, i might have a better idea of how things are performing in my engine....but its far too technical for me lol
Title: Re: Meth injection so far...
Post by: Dave_IOW on 19 December 2011, 17:47
For anyone thats wondering what this does, someone posted a great video on another thread on here explaining exactly what to expect..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkPFZWd8wj4
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Post by: scarr89 on 19 December 2011, 18:35
For anyone thats wondering what this does, someone posted a great video on another thread on here explaining exactly what to expect..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkPFZWd8wj4

Pretty intense shiz!!

Can you do this to a diesel?
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 19 December 2011, 18:49
I believe you can, any turbo or supercharged engine  :smiley:
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Post by: Chris. on 19 December 2011, 20:05
Hmmm, wonder if the gains really are as much as shown in graph
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 19 December 2011, 21:37
Debatable I would have thought, it is a promotional video!

Does show the effects though, some people have doubts it works atall, some swear by it..
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Post by: jamie16v on 20 December 2011, 14:44
before and after injecting meth.... picture evidence below...
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/citroenaxgtr/img005.jpg)
No not that one... thats my last RR graph sorry...
it`s this one...
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/citroenaxgtr/meth2.jpg)
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Post by: golf-sib on 20 December 2011, 16:35
If that is what it does to the face, what would it do to the car!


Gains seem good, whats that 35lb and about 20bhp, I can't see the graph properly on opera mini?
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 20 December 2011, 18:27
Jamie, oh dear lol  :grin:

Still trying to buy some of the stuff lol. Anyone know where i can get some from Oxfordshire?
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Post by: jamie16v on 20 December 2011, 18:29
apparently you can make it from household cleaning agents  :grin:
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 20 December 2011, 18:30
Wrong meth, dont want to be injecting any crystals  :laugh:
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Post by: jonrandom on 20 December 2011, 18:44
apparently you can make it from household cleaning agents  :grin:

 :grin:

Liking the install its looking nice and neat!
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Post by: Chris. on 20 December 2011, 19:04
Bloody hell jamie...Theres a load more power under the graph.

Were there any map tweaks between runs?
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Post by: jamie16v on 20 December 2011, 19:09
Bloody hell jamie...Theres a load more power under the graph.

Were there any map tweaks between runs?
of course..lol went in for custom stage 2. was let down by starvation of fuel. first run was when car first went on and last run was obviously after tweeks were done.
as you can see though, top end power was cut back to 6.5k due to the fueling problem  :sad:
anyway, sorry for hijacking your thread dave! :kiss:
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Post by: Chris. on 20 December 2011, 19:26
Looks like i might be saving up in the new year.

Meth and a N/A inlet cam.
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 20 December 2011, 19:29
Lol Jamie, i knew what that was all about straight away lol. Show off  :laugh:

N/A cam, any before/afters of that?
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Post by: jamie16v on 20 December 2011, 19:35
 :wink: :evil:
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Post by: Wazzzer on 20 December 2011, 19:56
Looks like i might be saving up in the new year.

Meth and a N/A inlet cam.

rods?
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Post by: Chris. on 20 December 2011, 19:59
Too much effort lol.

maybe if i can find a crank for my other engine thats in bits!
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 20 December 2011, 20:09
Do you have a block spare?
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Post by: Chris. on 20 December 2011, 20:10
I have a block with a foobard crank what i took out of my car when it died,
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Post by: Chris. on 14 February 2012, 21:15
Well, anyone got a before after graph with new figures?

Im going to be fitting:

Forged rods
water meth
lightened flywheel
Intercooler jets over xxx rpm or boost
Wideband lambda + gauge

Hopeing to have a bit more area under the graph and hold onto power a bit more longer in range plus a bit more peak power for pub talk :)
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Post by: shaft69 on 15 February 2012, 10:53
Really need get mine on rollers soon, just need fit larger intake to filter housing then ready. Why you fit  bam fuel pump??
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 15 February 2012, 13:21
As BAM is a 4 bar job, mines coming up to 90k miles and didnt want standard 3 bar job to be a bottleneck.

I also lightened my ABF flywheel, revs up really quick, but makes car a bit more jerky on deceleration..

Shaft69 as pm, no, not yet mate, had MASSIVE problems with a couple of sumps and lost interest with it, but now its back, its all go again  :smiley:
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Post by: shaft69 on 15 February 2012, 18:41
Meth one mine superb mate love it comes in around 12psi surge/ acceleration is awesome. Pull so well from 70 to 120mph, but have to say i would very highly recommend APR map. Can see why they love it in the states its brilliant.
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 16 February 2012, 13:37
What turbo you running mate?
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Post by: shaft69 on 16 February 2012, 19:09
Ko3s made up with it mate get big grin every time drive it. Let my mate run out in it honestly he swears as fast or feels as fast as his mates golf 'R'.
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Post by: Chris. on 16 February 2012, 19:31
Got a graph with k03s water meth?

Im 248bhp now and want a tiny bit more [:)]
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Post by: shaft69 on 16 February 2012, 20:41
Hoping to soon if get fit intake pipe into filter box sat will see if carbon tuning give me power run sometime next week. Need little things doing before run, knocked fitting forge actuator to turbo for a while just not got the time. Adj up original turbo actuator rod up 3 turns boost little better. Getting meth inj big thumbs up for me, i was bit no no about it but now im running it just awesome very simple to fit.
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Post by: golf-sib on 16 February 2012, 21:10
A golf R as quick as a 1.8t, you on crack? I'd agree if you said you had a stripped out golf running 350bhp then that TT-RS territory but a 1.8t with 240ish  :undecided:

I wouldnt compare the two, Ive been in a mk4 r32 and thats on par with a 230bhp mk4, the 2.0TFSI powerplants are in a different league as I have been in the mk2 LCR k1 edition stock and tunes and my mate had APR's Golf R the other day as they borrowed his TT-RS for development. Even the lowergrade mk2 LCR would chew the hell out of any mk4 in its way unless it was stripped and had some good work done.
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Post by: shaft69 on 16 February 2012, 22:54
A golf R as quick as a 1.8t, you on crack? I'd agree if you said you had a stripped out golf running 350bhp then that TT-RS territory but a 1.8t with 240ish  :undecided:

I wouldnt compare the two, Ive been in a mk4 r32 and thats on par with a 230bhp mk4, the 2.0TFSI powerplants are in a different league as I have been in the mk2 LCR k1 edition stock and tunes and my mate had APR's Golf R the other day as they borrowed his TT-RS for development. Even the lowergrade mk2 LCR would chew the hell out of any mk4 in its way unless it was stripped and had some good work done.
Dont ask me never driven one, i know he went from evo9 to golf r to now modded focus rs500. Said for £30k performance was poor on the golf. Golf r's only260ish bhp aint they?? He's got 60plate M3 too in matt black, rich boy.
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Post by: golf-sib on 16 February 2012, 23:01
A golf R as quick as a 1.8t, you on crack? I'd agree if you said you had a stripped out golf running 350bhp then that TT-RS territory but a 1.8t with 240ish  :undecided:

I wouldnt compare the two, Ive been in a mk4 r32 and thats on par with a 230bhp mk4, the 2.0TFSI powerplants are in a different league as I have been in the mk2 LCR k1 edition stock and tunes and my mate had APR's Golf R the other day as they borrowed his TT-RS for development. Even the lowergrade mk2 LCR would chew the hell out of any mk4 in its way unless it was stripped and had some good work done.
Dont ask me never driven one, i know he went from evo9 to golf r to now modded focus rs500. Said for £30k performance was poor on the golf. Golf r's only260ish bhp aint they?? He's got 60plate M3 too in matt black, rich boy.

Sounds like my mate he is now debating a twin turbo r8, good fun though when he takes you out in his toys though.
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 17 March 2012, 18:09
Methanol finally bought  :lipsrsealed:

Controller to be wired in next weekend  :cool:
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 21 March 2012, 20:34
 :grin: :cool: :laugh: :evil:

(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/480852_10151419027025361_567250360_23155218_1206636542_n.jpg)
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Post by: jonrandom on 21 March 2012, 20:38
How much did you pay mate? I still aint bought any yet.
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 21 March 2012, 20:39
Nearly 20 quid for 5 litres as need it delivered, should last a decent few tankful's thought at 50/50 or even 25/75 water..

Is not so bad for you 'mainlanders' some places doing it at 60p/litre!
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Post by: jonrandom on 21 March 2012, 20:43
lol yeah it is that cheap but you have to get to them. Ill just stick with the plan of getting some when I take it to get mapped theres one on ebay near by.
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 21 March 2012, 20:50
Take some 25l drums with you, i would..

Most places deliver drums aswell, if you want 200litres of it though  :laugh:
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Post by: Toby on 21 March 2012, 21:10
Whys it much cheaper over here??

Im going to be looking in to wmi
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 21 March 2012, 21:12
Because i have to have EVERYTHING posted, and meth is a dangerous chemical..

You have the beauty of collection, a difference of £3.50 a bloody litre lol
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Post by: Toby on 21 March 2012, 21:33
Aw man! Shame i didnt get that job on the iow!! I could have saved u a fortune!!

You paying top prices for postage?
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 21 March 2012, 21:41
£8/£9 for 5litres..

What i bought £4 a litre- http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130638261168?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_683wt_952

Near R-Tech 60pence a litre- http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/METHANOL-VIRGIN-GRADE-99-9-BIODIESEL-LEICESTER-/160763051915?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Supplies_ET&hash=item256e397f8b#ht_631wt_1185

 :sad:
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Post by: Toby on 21 March 2012, 21:48
£8-9 postage  :sick:

Dam!! Surley its worth ur while stocking up - idk how much the ferry over is thou
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 21 March 2012, 21:53
£50 with car, return.. Most expensive piece of water to cross in the world per meter lol  :cry:
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Post by: shaft69 on 21 March 2012, 21:54
Pay £18 for 25lt from.place in lymm have yo say buying it to make boi diesel or have pay tax.
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Post by: Toby on 21 March 2012, 22:13
Dam! Thats deer!!
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Post by: Wazzzer on 21 March 2012, 22:16
Most expensive piece of water to cross in the world per meter lol  :cry:

Nope, that accolade belongs to the floating bridge between Cowes and East Cowes  :angry:
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 21 March 2012, 22:54
Most expensive piece of water to cross in the world per meter lol  :cry:

Nope, that accolade belongs to the floating bridge between Cowes and East Cowes  :angry:

Ahh we claim first and second place then   :laugh:
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Post by: Daniow on 26 March 2012, 22:20

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f11/Wellowpartys/IMAG0293.jpg)



I recognise that hammer lol ;)
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 26 March 2012, 22:26
Hmmm lol, i think you may do! Controller nearly wired in  :wink:
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Post by: Daniow on 26 March 2012, 22:39
Sweeeet, got the manifold on ?
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 26 March 2012, 23:27
Not until controller properly wired in, need to extend two wires and T into boost line then test  :wink:
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 31 March 2012, 19:07
Working!

This my friends is good!
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Post by: Toby on 31 March 2012, 19:13
I want
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 31 March 2012, 19:21
Yes, yes you do!
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Post by: shaft69 on 31 March 2012, 20:14
Meth up and running Dave??  :smiley:
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Post by: Dave_IOW on 31 March 2012, 20:29
Meth up and running Dave??  :smiley:

Indeed it is pal! 50/50    :cool:

Pulls harder, quicker, stronger and longer..

Not a bad word against it and not even mapped yet!  :shocked:
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Post by: shaft69 on 31 March 2012, 21:42
Told you i love my meth inj best upgrade i've done to my car so far, enjoy mate.  :smiley: