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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Ant on 11 May 2005, 08:17

Title: Advice required
Post by: Ant on 11 May 2005, 08:17
During my overhaul of various issues in my engine bay, I have disconnected various things, everything I know I disconnected is back toghether, but I came across something that I didn't directly disconnect.

This is a Mk2 16v engine.

On the upper air filiter box there is a pipe that comes out perpendicular to the box, the pipe has a T connection on it about halfway along, the end of the pipe connects somewhere into the the right of the engine (this is from memory so might be a little off), the small T piece however is connected to anything, is this correct?

(A quick rushed look at my Haynes this morning, the right end of the pipe is by the arrow (24) saying Crankcase breather something of other)

Due to the oil leak problems in my engine bay, the T piece (and most of the pipe, have a lot of gunk in them (which implies to me that the T was never connected to anything) is this gunk likely to be affecting the performance of my car?
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Gambit on 11 May 2005, 09:40
this is just the cranckcase breather. ideally you dont want to vent it back into the intake as your basically venting warm oil vapour/fumes. but it is illegal to vent this into the atmosphere hence why it is recircultated back into the intake

the little t-piece in question connects in underneath the intake manifolid, and works as a warm air shroud & heats the injectors to help atomization. its located between (or around) injectors 1 & 2
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Veedubgt18v on 11 May 2005, 10:14
gambit can you change your sig to you know you really really really want a 16v?
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Judderi on 11 May 2005, 11:03
this is just the cranckcase breather. ideally you dont want to vent it back into the intake as your basically venting warm oil vapour/fumes. but it is illegal to vent this into the atmosphere hence why it is recircultated back into the intake

the little t-piece in question connects in underneath the intake manifolid, and works as a warm air shroud & heats the injectors to help atomization. its located between (or around) injectors 1 & 2

Go Gambit Mr knowledge base!

So from what you said would it be better if the breather hose didnt go to the airbox and maybe had its own little filter on the end?
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Gambit on 11 May 2005, 12:22
it'd be better if you vented it off via the little fliter, and caught the oil in a catch tank rather than it connecting to the airbox at all
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Judderi on 11 May 2005, 12:24
Will add that mod to my list then. Always found it strange why a dirtly oily pipe connected to the air box.
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Gambit on 11 May 2005, 12:35
on my old 16v i got a plastic little T-pipe connector from B&Q and split the pipe just in the gap between the airbox and the alternator. and put on a little vent filter there. cost me £6 for filter n T-piece

what i did think about trying was cutting the breather pipe off after the little T-piece for the injector shroud and putting a bung in the end. then puttin another plastic T-Piece just after the engine end of the pipe. and then attaching the piece you cut off to this, and then direct this into a catch tank which was a 500ml coke bottle tie wrapped to the oil fiter. might not look to pretty but it would have done the job perfectly!!

you also need to bung the hole on the air filter box as it lets in unfiltered air!
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Judderi on 11 May 2005, 12:49
How much oil drips out. If its not much i might just run the pipe to the bottom of the engine bay and let it drip out onto the ground. Not very eco friendly but better looking than a coke can in your engine bay as im going for the clean chromed look.
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Gambit on 11 May 2005, 13:27
the amount of oil on your air filter will give you a good idea on how heavy your car breathes. if you let it drip onto the road then it will also drip onto your driveway when parked up!!
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Ant on 11 May 2005, 13:33
This might well be my major oil leak!

As I said originally I don't remember disconnecting it, and if I didn't then the oil would have just been pouring out into the engine bay giving me the wierd oil leak diagnoses (well it's def wasn't the head gasket, but all the oil was down that way). Will be checking it out later.
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Gambit on 11 May 2005, 13:43
just outta curiosity is the top of your rocker cover wet with oil also? the oil cap seals can go hard and allow oil out there also, which runs down the front of the block also
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Judderi on 11 May 2005, 13:54
the amount of oil on your air filter will give you a good idea on how heavy your car breathes. if you let it drip onto the road then it will also drip onto your driveway when parked up!!

Dont have a driveway so i dont really care. Come to think of it i dont have a house either! Hopefully that will change soon.
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Ant on 11 May 2005, 20:56
just outta curiosity is the top of your rocker cover wet with oil also? the oil cap seals can go hard and allow oil out there also, which runs down the front of the block also

Would be hard to tell at the moment, I'm a bad aim with the oil when filling  :sad:

The pipe has broken away (is perished), is definatly the cause of my problems.
However I've made the problem worse, had replaced the rocker cover gasket, the gasket I've been given, is different from the one that was there (which didn't really seem to have anything wrong with it) with 'new' gasket oil is leaking from the rocker cover, reckon I'll just put the old one back, at least for now.
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Gambit on 12 May 2005, 09:51
get a new correct rocker cover gasket from VAG or ECP

& buy a funnel for the oil :wink:
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Veedubgt18v on 13 May 2005, 11:35
right im gonna get a catchtakn and little filter always wondered whatthey were for.........will try get a nice metal one tho (make it)
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Ant on 14 May 2005, 13:49
New Gasket fitted, everthing fine as far as that does, no leak.

My only concern was when removing one of the two centre bolts of the rocker cover I noticed that at sometime it must have been over tightened, some of the thread from the head block was wrapped around it :sad:
There was enough thread to hold the bolt, but I didn't torque it all the way to 10Nm as it felt like it was going to give completly.

Is it possible to get the block re-tapped? Will just one bolt not tighted to torque cause the gasket to leak?

Your right about the oil filler cap, I wipe the block doen so I can see any leaks, and there's oil seeping out of there.

The new crankcase breather valve from VW stealers is £50 + VAT!!! :shocked:

There's enough of the old T pipe left to push on the breather valve, and I'll propably get a jubile clip to make sure it stays on (till I find out if ECP do one, or grab one from a scrappy)

The main problem that took the car of the road still exist, the cooling fan doesn't turn, new fan/motor (works if I short the switch, new thermostatic switch. I did notice that the raditor seems cold even though the pipes are hot, and the hot temp is all the way, the pressure cap is leaking as well.

I'm on my way back out to see if I can solve the fan problem, I suspect an air lock, hope it's not the pump, don't know how to do it but I've got to get my car back on the road before Monday.
Title: Re: Advice required
Post by: Veedubgt18v on 14 May 2005, 17:09
yeah one bolt could cause a leak, get your self a new bolt (bigger than the existing on) and rethread the hole with some taps and dies available from diy shops and chavfords