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Little sh!t got what he deserved :grin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJBUNOG8kw
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Little sh!t got what he deserved :grin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJBUNOG8kw
respect to the big man..
fcuking hate all the 'do-gooders' like that woman who said 'och.. there's noo need for tha' - bollocks... of course there is
some of the 'he was in the wrong' comments after that video make me wanna puke
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This is being discussed on radio 2 in the Jeremy Vine show in a bit, you'll get the usual people calling in.
The guest is going to be an ex-policeman saying the big guy acted outside the law.
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I would normally be against it, but the kid was giving it all, the mouthy little sh!t :rolleyes:
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Anyone probably would have done the same thing.
After a long day at work, the last thing you need is to be sat on a train not going anywhere with some gob sh1te causing trouble.
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Quality video. Would benefit from subtitles though.
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Bit over the top if you ask me. Especially some of the comments on the video. People are to quick to judge. Nobody knows the circumstances surrounding the lad, he may of had a genuine reason for not paying. Although if he didn't and was just chancing his luck then he should have been removed but not man handled off like that. I reckon 'the big man' was just pissed off because of the impending delay.
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Bit over the top if you ask me. Especially some of the comments on the video. People are to quick to judge. Nobody knows the circumstances surrounding the lad, he may of had a genuine reason for not paying. Although if he didn't and was just chancing his luck then he should have been removed but not man handled off like that. I reckon 'the big man' was just pissed off because of the impending delay.
If theres a genuine reason you dont act like an arsehole an get peoples backs up. you calmly and politely put across your situation.
How to win friends and influence people!
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Bit over the top if you ask me. Especially some of the comments on the video. People are to quick to judge. Nobody knows the circumstances surrounding the lad, he may of had a genuine reason for not paying. Although if he didn't and was just chancing his luck then he should have been removed but not man handled off like that. I reckon 'the big man' was just pissed off because of the impending delay.
If theres a genuine reason you dont act like an arsehole an get peoples backs up. you calmly and politely put across your situation.
How to win friends and influence people!
+1 As i already said i wouldn't agree with it if the lad was being polite. But he was mouthing off, the problem with these kids is they think they are untouchable. I see it alot through my work :rolleyes:
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I would have done the same as the big lad to be honest.
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problem is that now adays there is camera about everywhere. people filming spy shots!! i would probably have given that kid a slap an all.
dont run your mouth off and expect people to just sit there. i have children at home to attend to, dont wanna have to grab you but if needs must!!!
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Was the kid being a little tw@? Yes.
Should he have been thrown on to the floor like that? No.
The second time the man throws him off he clearly hits the ground hard. Would it have been 'justice' if he'd cracked his head off the floor?
The kid was assaulted here, the man acted outside of the law and manhandled him. Very over the top for someone refusing to pay.
The police should have been called. What I would have done in that situation though I'm not sure, but if I was the 14+ stone of that man I know wouldn't have thrown a kid onto the floor like that.
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Was the kid being a little tw@? Yes.
Should he have been thrown on to the floor like that? No.
The second time the man throws him off he clearly hits the ground hard. Would it have been 'justice' if he'd cracked his head off the floor?
The kid was assaulted here, the man acted outside of the law and manhandled him. Very over the top for someone refusing to pay.
The police should have been called. What I would have done in that situation though I'm not sure, but if I was the 14+ stone of that man I know wouldn't have thrown a kid onto the floor like that.
Yes. :smiley:
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I have told teenagers to STFU and GTFO before. For some reason kids seem to be more unnerved by other teenagers then older blokes. I am and I have no idea why.
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I have told teenagers to STFU and GTFO before. For some reason kids seem to be more unnerved by other teenagers then older blokes. I am and I have no idea why.
More likely to get stabbed? Thats probably the sickening truth
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A comment on the daily mail website, from a randomer.
The 'Ned' is a 19 year old called Sam Main, who is a student at Heriot Watt University. He had bought the RIGHT ticket but showed the Inspector the WRONG one- after a night out 'celebrating' . That does not excuse his behaviour, and abusive language. . However this does put a new light on this incident. - Phil , Perthshire,
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A comment on the daily mail website, from a randomer.
The 'Ned' is a 19 year old called Sam Main, who is a student at Heriot Watt University. He had bought the RIGHT ticket but showed the Inspector the WRONG one- after a night out 'celebrating' . That does not excuse his behaviour, and abusive language. . However this does put a new light on this incident. - Phil , Perthshire,
The requirement is to produce a valid ticket for your journey. So he still fails.
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I dont care what the little gobsh!te does for a living - He got what he deserved!
No different than gobbing off in a club/pub and moaning like a b!tch when you thrown out.
Good on the big man :angry:
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Act like a thingy, get treated like a thingy..
I was on a train home from Birmingham going to Bristol one Friday and someone complained because my music was too loud and we were in the quiet cab.. I turned it down and apologised to the old couple in front.
Later on in the journey some piss head starts gobbing off to this woman in front of me, she was white with a black kid.. He said he had just got out and was celebrating, he then proceeded to ask horrid questions like.. "Is that kid hers" "Is it his cousins from St.Pauls" etc .. I looked and he asked me "what the fcuk I was looking at".. Nobody on there said a thing.. I told him to shut up and he stood up with a 1/4 vodka and walked up to me.. I was like.. "sit down and shut up mate.." he continued to lean over me.. So I thought f**k this.. stood up and said "your upsetting this lady, will you sit back down." he said make me and went forehead to forehead with me.. That was enough for me.. He ended up on the deck with me on his back and the conductor called..
I will not do what everyone else on the train did and stand by and watch this poor woman get abused by the dregs of society.. I don't care that he was steaming, that old guy was doing his job.. You are making his job hard and gobbing off, you deserve what you get..
Too many times people will walk by and forget whats going on or not say a word.. If i get a kick-in at least I can say that I was trying to help someone out.. I cannot sit by and watch these thingys!
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Act like a thingy, get treated like a thingy..
I was on a train home from Birmingham going to Bristol one Friday and someone complained because my music was too loud and we were in the quiet cab.. I turned it down and apologised to the old couple in front.
Later on in the journey some piss head starts gobbing off to this woman in front of me, she was white with a black kid.. He said he had just got out and was celebrating, he then proceeded to ask horrid questions like.. "Is that kid hers" "Is it his cousins from St.Pauls" etc .. I looked and he asked me "what the fcuk I was looking at".. Nobody on there said a thing.. I told him to shut up and he stood up with a 1/4 vodka and walked up to me.. I was like.. "sit down and shut up mate.." he continued to lean over me.. So I thought f**k this.. stood up and said "your upsetting this lady, will you sit back down." he said make me and went forehead to forehead with me.. That was enough for me.. He ended up on the deck with me on his back and the conductor called..
I will not do what everyone else on the train did and stand by and watch this poor woman get abused by the dregs of society.. I don't care that he was steaming, that old guy was doing his job.. You are making his job hard and gobbing off, you deserve what you get..
Too many times people will walk by and forget whats going on or not say a word.. If i get a kick-in at least I can say that I was trying to help someone out.. I cannot sit by and watch these thingys!
Good on you, I'd say you acted completely within reason. He was acting in a threatening way.
Someone sitting down refusing to get off a train however does not warrant being thrown on the floor by a giant. If the police had thrown that guy off the train and onto the floor like that it would have been called police brutality.
My earlier post...
Was the kid being a little tw@? Yes.
Should he have been thrown on to the floor like that? No.
The second time the man throws him off he clearly hits the ground hard. Would it have been 'justice' if he'd cracked his head off the floor?
The kid was assaulted here, the man acted outside of the law and manhandled him. Very over the top for someone refusing to pay.
The police should have been called. What I would have done in that situation though I'm not sure, but if I was the 14+ stone of that man I know wouldn't have thrown a kid onto the floor like that.
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Act like a thingy, get treated like a thingy..
I was on a train home from Birmingham going to Bristol one Friday and someone complained because my music was too loud and we were in the quiet cab.. I turned it down and apologised to the old couple in front.
Later on in the journey some piss head starts gobbing off to this woman in front of me, she was white with a black kid.. He said he had just got out and was celebrating, he then proceeded to ask horrid questions like.. "Is that kid hers" "Is it his cousins from St.Pauls" etc .. I looked and he asked me "what the fcuk I was looking at".. Nobody on there said a thing.. I told him to shut up and he stood up with a 1/4 vodka and walked up to me.. I was like.. "sit down and shut up mate.." he continued to lean over me.. So I thought f**k this.. stood up and said "your upsetting this lady, will you sit back down." he said make me and went forehead to forehead with me.. That was enough for me.. He ended up on the deck with me on his back and the conductor called..
I will not do what everyone else on the train did and stand by and watch this poor woman get abused by the dregs of society.. I don't care that he was steaming, that old guy was doing his job.. You are making his job hard and gobbing off, you deserve what you get..
Too many times people will walk by and forget whats going on or not say a word.. If i get a kick-in at least I can say that I was trying to help someone out.. I cannot sit by and watch these thingys!
This, all of this!
The kid is quite obviously trying to be the big man and get away with it knowing full well the conductor can do anything about it. Corse he is going to come forward and say he did have the right ticket :rolleyes:
https://www.facebook.com/sammain16?sk=wall
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Why would you post his facebook link??
Yeah the guy had a mouth on him but it does not justify being man handled and thrown off a train. People are to quick to accept violence by means to deal with problematic people. The boy should have been dealt with through the relevant protocol especially on a train. Incidents like these can easily spiral out of control and put other passengers at risk. Common sense really.
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Why would you post his facebook link??
Yeah the guy had a mouth on him but it does not justify being man handled and thrown off a train. People are to quick to accept violence by means to deal with problematic people. The boy should have been dealt with through the relevant protocol especially on a train. Incidents like these can easily spiral out of control and put other passengers at risk. Common sense really.
Why not? To show some of the post on his wall :huh:
No mention of defence that he had the correct ticket just people saying he is a "local legend" and "well done top bloke"...
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Yeah the guy had a mouth on him but it does not justify being man handled and thrown off a train. People are to quick to accept violence by means to deal with problematic people. The boy should have been dealt with through the relevant protocol especially on a train. Incidents like these can easily spiral out of control and put other passengers at risk. Common sense really.
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I can't understand how some people believe not paying for a train ticket isn't OK but assaulting someone is OK?
Both of which are crimes, I wonder which one carries the harsher punishment? :rolleyes:
Next they'll be saying Pulp Fiction isn't one of the best films ever made :laugh:
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Yeah the guy had a mouth on him but it does not justify being man handled and thrown off a train. People are to quick to accept violence by means to deal with problematic people. The boy should have been dealt with through the relevant protocol especially on a train. Incidents like these can easily spiral out of control and put other passengers at risk. Common sense really.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-16143909
I reluctantly agree and now the big fella is being investigated even though there were no complaints from anyone on the train ! I have known a few cases where some one has done what everyone else at the time agrees is the "right" thing to do but when it goes wrong and the "have a go hero" ends up in court the people who supported and praised them at the time are suddenly silent and anonymous leaving the person who did everyone a favour to take the fall ?
A sign of the times we live in !
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I don't see any other way to get him off of the train other than to physically remove him... He was asked politely and refused.
Why should all of the paying customers on the train have to suffer because of one selfish pond dweller?
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I don't see any other way to get him off of the train other than to physically remove him... He was asked politely and refused.
Why should all of the paying customers on the train have to suffer because of one selfish pond dweller?
Yes he should have been removed but not launched out the door onto the floor by a member of public. The man had no right to touch him at all and definitely no right to throw him out the door. The right thing to do would have been to call the police, yes it would have taken longer and caused delays but it would have been the legal thing to do. The guy may have gotten off the train anyway once being threatened with police action.
Point is; not paying is illegal and so is assault.
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Not made my mind up on this.
If I was in a situation where I was drunk on a train, having bought a ticket yet accidentally shown the wrong one (I often have a lot of old train tickets in my wallet) I'd kick up a fuss, especially if it was the last train home.
If it wasn't the last train home I'd simply wait for the next one to come along :rolleyes:
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I think some of the laws of this coutry need editing, and some peoples opinons of what theer rights are need changeing.
said kiddy is not all that inteligent he is actualy a dumb f**k had he kept his gob in order and thought before opening it, he may well have been abel to blag it.
but he chose to gob off, and was unabel to present the correct ticket. so the default outcome is to be told to get of train. as presenting the correct ticket is a requirement of travel, if he did actauly purchase the correct ticket but din't have it when required this further backs up the fact he isa a dumb f**k.
also he was given plent of chances to exit the train himself but chose to sit there and try to make it to much hasstel to get him off said train, this would be fair enough if he was only inconveinceign himself and the conductor but thats not the case he was inconvinceing everyone on said train and people waiting for it and potentaly people with connections.
he also invited someto throw him of the train by saying make me
i wouldn't call it assult ether, he was ejected in a resonably tame manner the first time round but chose to have another go, so he was ejected with a bit more force, thats perfectly reasonable it's not like he got punched in the face or had his head used to open the door
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everyone knows you hide in the bogs when the ticket inspector comes!
rookie
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:laugh: :laugh: @ the comments here :lipsrsealed:
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from what ive heard on the radio, he showed the wrong ticket, and was thrown off, dont really know what happend as you cant see on that video, he could be looking in his wallet for the correct ticket when the guy threw him off.
either way the guy who threw him off had no need to do it in such a manner, if someone threw me off a train like that ide be doing more than pushing my way back on.
however i agree if he didnt have the correct ticket or a ticket then yes he should be made to get off the train, either by the conductor asking him to, or the police, no need in "big man" to get involved at all.
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With some of the opinions expressed here, it's no wonder that alot of the mouthy kids we see nowadays think they are untouchable :rolleyes:
I think reasonable force was used.
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With some of the opinions expressed here, it's no wonder that alot of the mouthy kids we see nowadays think they are untouchable :rolleyes:
I think reasonable force was used.
this and that
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i dont know where my thoughts are with this one as the gobsh!te could well have been in the right if he did purchase the correct ticket.
though for abusive people, then i think there is only one way to deal with these sorts, saying that you should not man handle the type scum as "bored_welsh_lad" mentioned in his is a little too PC for my liking, thats why all the little sh!ts in our country are untouchable.
back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.
i hate all these tracksuit wearing "OH, wor ew f`in lokin at" bunch of pricks, and in "bored_welsh_lads" situation it wouldnt just be pinning on the floor i would be doing.. his face would have blunt contact with the floor multiple times.
it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.
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back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.
it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.
1. This is 2011 not 1971.
2. The guy wasn't a 'bobby'.
3. You condone people taking things into their own hands? Being vigilantes?
It's not a shame at all that vigilante action can get worse punishment at all, someone refusing to get off a train deserves worse punishment than someone actually dragging someone down the train and throwing them out the door? No, just no.
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With some of the opinions expressed here, it's no wonder that alot of the mouthy kids we see nowadays think they are untouchable :rolleyes:
I think reasonable force was used.
I very much doubt people who are opinionated against unnecessary violence are to blame for societies mouthy kids. The kid on the video had an attitude problem, but 'big man' had issues with his temperament which are far worse. Reasonable force is what is used in self defence, not to omit ticketless young men from trains.
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was he hurt?
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With some of the opinions expressed here, it's no wonder that alot of the mouthy kids we see nowadays think they are untouchable :rolleyes:
I think reasonable force was used.
I very much doubt people who are opinionated against unnecessary violence are to blame for societies mouthy kids. The kid on the video had an attitude problem, but 'big man' had issues with his temperament which are far worse. Reasonable force is what is used in self defence, not to omit ticketless young men from trains.
The kid was mouthing off at an old man. Kids of today think they can get away with anything, as the 'law' is on their side.
The kid isn't hurt, he has just been shoved off a train.
Political correctness gone mad again.
If you don't like his treatment then don't mouth off. I don't condone violent, this was not a violent attack, the kid brought it upon himself.
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was he hurt?
I hope so, I can't stand lack of respect like he was showing to conductor. People like this only understand violence really. I am young, and would never talk like that its just downright rude and threatening to the conductor this day and age there is far too much 'let the police deal with it' like they dont have enough actual crime to sort out.
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back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.
it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.
1. This is 2011 not 1971.
2. The guy wasn't a 'bobby'.
3. You condone people taking things into their own hands? Being vigilantes?
It's not a shame at all that vigilante action can get worse punishment at all, someone refusing to get off a train deserves worse punishment than someone actually dragging someone down the train and throwing them out the door? No, just no.
1. Yes it is 2011, so its ok to abuse an old man doing his job?
2. Yes the guy was a member of the public, he was just doing what the police should be doing.
3. He's hardly a vigilante, now come on! he is just sticking up for the old man who is being abused by an unpleasant little sh!t.
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With some of the opinions expressed here, it's no wonder that alot of the mouthy kids we see nowadays think they are untouchable :rolleyes:
I think reasonable force was used.
I very much doubt people who are opinionated against unnecessary violence are to blame for societies mouthy kids. The kid on the video had an attitude problem, but 'big man' had issues with his temperament which are far worse. Reasonable force is what is used in self defence, not to omit ticketless young men from trains.
The kid was mouthing off at an old man. Kids of today think they can get away with anything, as the 'law' is on their side.
The kid isn't hurt, he has just been shoved off a train.
Political correctness gone mad again.
If you don't like his treatment then don't mouth off. I don't condone violent, this was not a violent attack, the kid brought it upon himself.
Aye ok then :rolleyes:
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back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.
it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.
1. This is 2011 not 1971.
2. The guy wasn't a 'bobby'.
3. You condone people taking things into their own hands? Being vigilantes?
It's not a shame at all that vigilante action can get worse punishment at all, someone refusing to get off a train deserves worse punishment than someone actually dragging someone down the train and throwing them out the door? No, just no.
1. Yes it is 2011, so its ok to abuse an old man doing his job?
2. Yes the guy was a member of the public, he was just doing what the police should be doing.
3. He's hardly a vigilante, now come on! he is just sticking up for the old man who is being abused by an unpleasant little sh!t.
Where did I say it was OK to abuse an old man? If you read all of my replies you'll see I've said the lad and the guy that threw him off the train were both in the wrong.
Points 2 and 3 contradict each other. He was a member of the public doing what the police should be doing but he wasn't a vigilante? What then?
Crime's the problem here, not the solution.
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OK, if I acted like that lad, I'd fully expect to get a punch in the face and booted off the train. No exaggeration.
I'd have tried to tell the guy the situation and if that failed, left (although probably admittedly while calling the inspector a dick out of frustration).
Not kicked off and held it up for everyone else and yes I have been in that situation.
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back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.
it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.
1. This is 2011 not 1971.
2. The guy wasn't a 'bobby'.
3. You condone people taking things into their own hands? Being vigilantes?
It's not a shame at all that vigilante action can get worse punishment at all, someone refusing to get off a train deserves worse punishment than someone actually dragging someone down the train and throwing them out the door? No, just no.
1. Yes it is 2011, so its ok to abuse an old man doing his job?
2. Yes the guy was a member of the public, he was just doing what the police should be doing.
3. He's hardly a vigilante, now come on! he is just sticking up for the old man who is being abused by an unpleasant little sh!t.
Where did I say it was OK to abuse an old man? If you read all of my replies you'll see I've said the lad and the guy that threw him off the train were both in the wrong.
Points 2 and 3 contradict each other. He was a member of the public doing what the police should be doing but he wasn't a vigilante? What then?
Crime's the problem here, not the solution.
The point i was making is it was hardly a vigilante act. Just a member of the public helping at an old man who was affectively being bullied.
So not a contradiction at all.
In my opinion the big guy has not committed a crime.
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With some of the opinions expressed here, it's no wonder that alot of the mouthy kids we see nowadays think they are untouchable :rolleyes:
I think reasonable force was used.
I very much doubt people who are opinionated against unnecessary violence are to blame for societies mouthy kids. The kid on the video had an attitude problem, but 'big man' had issues with his temperament which are far worse. Reasonable force is what is used in self defence, not to omit ticketless young men from trains.
The kid was mouthing off at an old man. Kids of today think they can get away with anything, as the 'law' is on their side.
The kid isn't hurt, he has just been shoved off a train.
Political correctness gone mad again.
If you don't like his treatment then don't mouth off. I don't condone violent, this was not a violent attack, the kid brought it upon himself.
Aye ok then :rolleyes:
Oh great comeback there :laugh:
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back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.
it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.
1. This is 2011 not 1971.
2. The guy wasn't a 'bobby'.
3. You condone people taking things into their own hands? Being vigilantes?
It's not a shame at all that vigilante action can get worse punishment at all, someone refusing to get off a train deserves worse punishment than someone actually dragging someone down the train and throwing them out the door? No, just no.
1. Yes it is 2011, so its ok to abuse an old man doing his job?
2. Yes the guy was a member of the public, he was just doing what the police should be doing.
3. He's hardly a vigilante, now come on! he is just sticking up for the old man who is being abused by an unpleasant little sh!t.
Where did I say it was OK to abuse an old man? If you read all of my replies you'll see I've said the lad and the guy that threw him off the train were both in the wrong.
Points 2 and 3 contradict each other. He was a member of the public doing what the police should be doing but he wasn't a vigilante? What then?
Crime's the problem here, not the solution.
The point i was making is it was hardly a vigilante act. Just a member of the public helping at an old man who was affectively being bullied.
So not a contradiction at all.
In my opinion the big guy has not committed a crime.
Refusing to get off a train is not bullying. However if someone was being verbally bullied dragging the bully away and throwing them on the floor isn't justified.
As for the thread title "Justice"; this isn't justice, it's crime on crime.
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back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.
it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.
1. This is 2011 not 1971.
2. The guy wasn't a 'bobby'.
3. You condone people taking things into their own hands? Being vigilantes?
It's not a shame at all that vigilante action can get worse punishment at all, someone refusing to get off a train deserves worse punishment than someone actually dragging someone down the train and throwing them out the door? No, just no.
1. Yes it is 2011, so its ok to abuse an old man doing his job?
2. Yes the guy was a member of the public, he was just doing what the police should be doing.
3. He's hardly a vigilante, now come on! he is just sticking up for the old man who is being abused by an unpleasant little sh!t.
Where did I say it was OK to abuse an old man? If you read all of my replies you'll see I've said the lad and the guy that threw him off the train were both in the wrong.
Points 2 and 3 contradict each other. He was a member of the public doing what the police should be doing but he wasn't a vigilante? What then?
Crime's the problem here, not the solution.
The point i was making is it was hardly a vigilante act. Just a member of the public helping at an old man who was affectively being bullied.
So not a contradiction at all.
In my opinion the big guy has not committed a crime.
Refusing to get off a train is not bullying. However if someone was being verbally bullied dragging the bully away and throwing them on the floor isn't justified.
As for the thread title "Justice"; this isn't justice, it's crime on crime.
The kid was bullying the old man and verbally abusing him. Would he have done this against a younger a bigger chap? i doubt it. He behaved in this way because he thought he could intimidate the old man.
Justice is the perfect title for this thread, because that is what happened, the big guy used reasonable force in helping the conductor, no crime was committed.
I dread the day that people can't touch anyone when they are clearly behaving like a yob, this is part of the reason are society is going down the pan.
It's all about ME, stuff everyone else.
Think on people...
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Oh great comeback there :laugh:
Not looking to comeback mate i've made my opinion clear and stand by it. I'm not looking to win any arguments here. I fail to see how the other side thinks its acceptable behavior. The situation could have been dealt with more effectively without suddenly resorting to physical manhandling.
A small point i may add is that all Scotrail ticket collectors are specifically trained to deal with these kind of situations and deal with them regularly. An issue like that is not a problem if dealt with accordingly. Its not as if it was a drunken lout who posed an immediate threat to anyone.
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It's all about ME, stuff everyone else.
Think on people...
So, in your opinion, verbal abuse is worthy of the punishment of physical abuse? Sorry but your wrong on so many levels mate.
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Oh great comeback there :laugh:
Not looking to comeback mate i've made my opinion clear and stand by it. I'm not looking to win any arguments here. I fail to see how the other side thinks its acceptable behavior. The situation could have been dealt with more effectively without suddenly resorting to physical manhandling.
A small point i may add is that all Scotrail ticket collectors are specifically trained to deal with these kind of situations and deal with them regularly. An issue like that is not a problem if dealt with accordingly. Its not as if it was a drunken lout who posed an immediate threat to anyone.
It is very easy to say that a situation could be dealt with better after the event, people will react however they react at time, for what they see is right.
I think its to do with upbringing personally. I would not of dared be so disrespectful, rude and then abusive to an old man like that. Some
times if a person causing a situation, it can in certain people's opinion get out of hand.
By refusing to leave the train, the kid was breaking the law. The passenger only intervened as he thought that the conductor was being intimidated and abused. A member of public is allowed to intervene by law in such circumstances. Whether you believe the force used was too much is down to your opinion. The fact still remains, i believe the passenger acted in good faith.
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It's all about ME, stuff everyone else.
Think on people...
So, in your opinion, verbal abuse is worthy of the punishment of physical abuse? Sorry but your wrong on so many levels mate.
No... I think if someone is bullying someone who is helpless to respond verbally- they deserve swift punishment of the physical variety.
That kid thinks it's okay to make defenceless people feel small... If he hadn't acted out, "big man" wouldn't have had to put him back in his place.
"Big man" wouldn't have got up out of his seat and kicked him off the train if the yob wasn't causing a disturbance.
Unprovoked verbal abuse and bullying in my eyes is a lot worse than a physical (and in this case harmless) reaction to a situation.
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It's all about ME, stuff everyone else.
Think on people...
So, in your opinion, verbal abuse is worthy of the punishment of physical abuse? Sorry but your wrong on so many levels mate.
So you would call that physical abuse? now that's a bit over the top really....
And i believe he acted lawfully as stated in my previous post.
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It's all about ME, stuff everyone else.
Think on people...
So, in your opinion, verbal abuse is worthy of the punishment of physical abuse? Sorry but your wrong on so many levels mate.
So you would call that physical abuse? now that's a bit over the top really....
And i believe he acted lawfully as stated in my previous post.
If it wasn't physical abuse what was it? 'Justice'? as you call it?
Lawfully? Thank god you're not in charge eh? :rolleyes:
Unprovoked verbal abuse and bullying in my eyes is a lot worse than a physical (and in this case harmless) reaction to a situation.
Lets look at the worst case scenarios here.
Old man goes home to wife and says "had some little tw@ mouthing off tonight"
Lad mother gets a phone call "Hi your sons in hospital after hitting his head because someone took it upon themselves to throw him out of train onto the floor because he wouldn't get off"
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So you would call that physical abuse? now that's a bit over the top really....
And i believe he acted lawfully as stated in my previous post.
He was a 'big man' and seemed to be using alot of force against a wee skinny lad. I would say its borderline over the top. Not by much but still injury could have been caused.
In regards to other comments, he was 19!! I mind what i was like when I was that age, I was not much better but so is most young lads that age. Just a bit of a mouth, you grow out of it though and learn to respect people. Its just the way some are brought up. Not necessarily a bad thing, much worse goes on in this world. If anything good is to come out of it at least he might learn a lesson to be more respectful towards others but I would never advocate someone being physically removed in that manner. I just don't like that sort of thing without justifiable reason.
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TBH this is why I don't use the peasant wagons.
All these videos taken on public transport lately me back up.
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Kid = No respect
Big Man = Showing the kid a lesson
My opinion is the same as AudiA8Quattro's
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‘He’s tried to get back in the carriage to get his bag.
‘He’s diabetic and all his things were in that bag – his medication, his university notes, his money, his mobile phone and his iPod. This man had no right to do what he did. If I was him, I’d expect to be charged.’
Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/884716-father-of-fare-dodger-calls-for-assault-charge-after-son-is-thrown-off-train#ixzz1gSeAL8L2
Justice at it's best eh?
Kid allegedly get's wrong ticket out, gets thrown off, tries to get medication back, could have died due to not being able to get his stuff back.
Ahhh 'Justice'.
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And all of that was in hindsight. If he wasn't being an arrogant prick if he didn't disrespect the ticket collector, and didn't make a scene this wouldn't have escalated.
I think it's all nuts and the defence is there to make him seem innocent. He says he had a valid ticket but wouldn't it be logical to provide evidence to these online news sites? Is there one?
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And all of that was in hindsight. If he wasn't being an arrogant prick didn't disrespect the ticket collector, and didn't make a scene this wouldn't have escalated.
I think it's all nuts and the defence is there to make him seem innocent. He says he had a valid ticket but wouldn't it be logical to provide evidence to these online news sites? Is there one?
He was disrespectful yes but that didn't warrant physical violence from member of the public and that wont change no matter how many times someone says "when I was a kid" "XX years ago he would have got..."
Laws are there for a reason, he committed a crime, who deals with crimes? The police.
Was he using physical violence that the police could get to in time to sort out? No. So the big guys actions were not justified.
It's early days, evidence may come out but yes that's what I'd do.
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:rolleyes:
So when McDonalds gets your order wrong, do you start screaming verbal abuse? No.
Not the way to act regardless. He should have got a taxi and requested reimbursement from the train company.
Once when I was younger, I mouthed off to someone older not knowing my dad was round the corner. I got a slap. My dad came round and asked wtf he was doing. He explained and all my dad said was I was lucky to not get another one. I remember that everytime I even think of having a go.
I'm sure he won't do it again.
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:rolleyes:
So when McDonalds gets your order wrong, do you start screaming verbal abuse? No.
Not the way to act regardless. He should have got a taxi and requested reimbursement from the train company.
Once when I was younger, I mouthed off to someone older not knowing my dad was round the corner. I got a slap. My dad came round and asked wtf he was doing. He explained and all my dad said was I was lucky to not get another one. I remember that everytime I even think of having a go.
I'm sure he won't do it again.
Again read every reply I've written to this thread. I've not once condoned the kids actions and a number of times I've said he was in the wrong too.
If someone refuses to move out of line at McDonalds and swears do they deserved to get dragged across the room in front of everybody and thrown outside on the floor by some big bloke?
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:rolleyes:
So when McDonalds gets your order wrong, do you start screaming verbal abuse? No.
Not the way to act regardless. He should have got a taxi and requested reimbursement from the train company.
Once when I was younger, I mouthed off to someone older not knowing my dad was round the corner. I got a slap. My dad came round and asked wtf he was doing. He explained and all my dad said was I was lucky to not get another one. I remember that everytime I even think of having a go.
I'm sure he won't do it again.
Again read every reply I've written to this thread. I've not once condoned the kids actions and a number of times I've said he was in the wrong too.
If someone refuses to move out of line at McDonalds and swears do they deserved to get dragged across the room in front of everybody and thrown outside on the floor by some big bloke?
In my honest opinion, yes.
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:rolleyes:
So when McDonalds gets your order wrong, do you start screaming verbal abuse? No.
Not the way to act regardless. He should have got a taxi and requested reimbursement from the train company.
Once when I was younger, I mouthed off to someone older not knowing my dad was round the corner. I got a slap. My dad came round and asked wtf he was doing. He explained and all my dad said was I was lucky to not get another one. I remember that everytime I even think of having a go.
I'm sure he won't do it again.
Again read every reply I've written to this thread. I've not once condoned the kids actions and a number of times I've said he was in the wrong too.
If someone refuses to move out of line at McDonalds and swears do they deserved to get dragged across the room in front of everybody and thrown outside on the floor by some big bloke?
In my honest opinion, yes.
You're the guy that started the home-made fireworks thread and had a blue Micra with a pink rocker cover? And your name is Bellend? Oh...
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+1 :grin:
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Was the kid being a little tw@? Yes.
Should he have been thrown on to the floor like that? No.
The second time the man throws him off he clearly hits the ground hard. Would it have been 'justice' if he'd cracked his head off the floor?
yes it would! he should never have been there for it to happen in the first place, he didn't have a ticket! and he definitely shouldn't have been a little gobsh1te when he was caught out! imo while your breaking the law you shouldn't have any human rights, too many people want to protect the criminals while law abiding people suffer, if someone breaks into someone's house and gets hurt/shot/beaten, they shouldn't have a leg to stand on, they should leave their rights outside the property, not like it is now where they could sue you. if a child molester is caught he should have his balls cut off. if a fare dodger is caught they should be thrown off, preferably while moving if they are mouth little tw@s like him. the problem is that those people now thinks they are untouchable, that they can do what they like and get away with it, that no one can do anything to stop them and to a certain extent they are right, the law protects criminals more than the decent people, human rights only protect or apply to criminals, and anyone who stands up for themselves or others against the scum out there are the ones punished and judged when they should be commended. if there is nobody to say that far enough your not getting away with things anymore, those people will get worse and worse until they end up in prison with an 18 month sentence for murder, but while their in there they've got to have a tv, xbox, a full gym, pool tables, games rooms, I know what it's like in prisons as I worked installing outdoor gym equipment in them, it was made of metal and they complained that it hurt their hands and backs so the prison spent another £15,000+ on gym gloves and mats for every inmate, that's on top of the £100,000+ for the cost of the gym in the first place, there is no deterrent for these people anymore I have now in the last 4 days had my golf keyed 3 times and one of my other cars has had the Ariel pulled off and thrown by the drivers door, both cars are off the road on private property, now if I see someone doing it I won't be calling the police, i'll break their hands, as the police will be far too busy pulling a car over for doing 30.000000001 mph in a 30 zone. they took 3 hours to turn up when I phoned about a bloke drugged out his head walking down the road threatening people with a machette and then they turned up on the wrong road, in the meantime he had thrown bricks through windows 1 of which landed on a 6 month old baby in it's cot and covered it in glass the mum was sorting the baby out and the dad went outside, he then got a brick in the face and beaten and was in hospital for weeks with broken ribs, fingers, a broken leg, a broken jaw and a punctured lung, the bloke left him for dead and went and smashed up about 20 cars and got away (police never even interviewed me to get a description, and never found him). now in that situation I should have been able to get in my car and run him down to stop him damaging peoples property, assaulting people and nearly killing a baby and it's dad, but had I done that I'd have been arrested and everyone would go on about his human rights, not concerning themselves with the innocent that suffered because of him.
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You're the guy that started the home-made fireworks thread and had a blue Micra with a pink rocker cover? And your name is Bellend? Oh...
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and what's that got to do with anything? are you trying to make a personal attack against bellend? and you've missed something you could say is wrong, he was video'd without permission and then that video was put on the internet! perhaps we should find the person who took the video and put it on the internet and lock him up to make an example of him to show that it's wrong, while the little fornicating lady garden gets away Scott free? I imagine in you eyes that would be "justice"?
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Please lets leave out the personal attacks and the whole title of "bullying" is taking the piss..
With regards to his bag and being a diabetic blah blah, as soon as the big man gripped him he could have said wow.. ok, let me get my bag.. On numerous occasions he could have stopped the situation esculating, but instead he continued to act irrationally and like an idiot.
What if that guy had been undercover, would people have been calling for police brutality? In the military you are taught about esculation of force.. You ask to leave, you move with hands.. blah blah.. I am sure the police have the same schooling.. When the big lad tries to move him out he does as a bouncer would in a nightblub or any other venue truthfully.. Its only when the kid plays up does he launch him..
I still think the little bastard deserved what he got.. These conductors aren't paid enough as it is.. Let alone dealing with all the piss heads and gobsh!tes!
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Please lets leave out the personal attacks and the whole title of "bullying" is taking the piss..
With regards to his bag and being a diabetic blah blah, as soon as the big man gripped him he could have said wow.. ok, let me get my bag.. On numerous occasions he could have stopped the situation esculating, but instead he continued to act irrationally and like an idiot.
What if that guy had been undercover, would people have been calling for police brutality? In the military you are taught about esculation of force.. You ask to leave, you move with hands.. blah blah.. I am sure the police have the same schooling.. When the big lad tries to move him out he does as a bouncer would in a nightblub or any other venue truthfully.. Its only when the kid plays up does he launch him..
I still think the little fatherless son deserved what he got.. These conductors aren't paid enough as it is.. Let alone dealing with all the piss heads and gobsh!tes!
+1 :angry: in a nutshell...
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+1 to Adam, danny_p, bored-welsh-lad and the OP.
The kid actually asked to be removed from the carriage after he refused to leave by the authority on the train. The 'big guy' in question was just stopping this waste of skin from wasting alot of peoples time as it could of taken hours for the police to arrive. Acording to the radio he is also a firefighter, id put that down as a trained, responsable person who took it upon himself to do what was right.
According to the guy who filmed it the situation was going on for a good 5 minutes before he started filming, so if the kid truly believes it was a misunderstanding why get so abusive and unhelpful? why not just try and state your case rationally?!
I agree with many in this thread who say that it is allowing kids to have this kind of behaviour that is killing our nation, along with the 'where theres a blame theres a claim' culture.
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As it's my thread, i'm going to have the final word :grin:
I believe the big guy only intervened because he thought the old guy was getting out his depth, he would of heard the kid getting abusive so decided to step in.
Now some people clearly believe that he should not of done so. But i would argue that the big guy acted in good faith, and as the kid was refusing to leave, and it was clear that he was a trouble maker, he stepped in before the situation could get any worse.
I think its a shame that some people believe that we should turn a blind eye to this sort of behaviour, ok the kid wasn't violent, but at the time, did anyone know that for sure? there is alot of buts after the event, but hindsight is a great thing.
If only more people would stand up against anti social behaviour in this country, then we would live in a better place.
Even it means some kid is going to get a little shove :rolleyes:
Have a good day people :wink: