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Title: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: Cory on 07 December 2011, 13:32
so after not driving the car for nearly 6 weeks because of my new wheel issues which include . . .

2 bolts cross threading in the rear brake drum
paying the garage £25 to get the wheel away from the offending drum
having to buy a new drum and bearing
having to buy new bolts
cutting 3mm of 8 bolts as they were too long

and now today was supposed to be the day that i could drive the mk2 again and guess what happened

a bolt has cross threaded in the brake drum on the other side now . . .

getting pretty sick of it now  :cry:
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: SoundillusioN on 07 December 2011, 13:35
so after not driving the car for nearly 6 weeks because of my new wheel issues which include . . .

2 bolts cross threading in the rear brake drum
paying the garage £25 to get the wheel away from the offending drum
having to buy a new drum and bearing
having to buy new bolts
cutting 3mm of 8 bolts as they were too long

and now today was supposed to be the day that i could drive the mk2 again and guess what happened

a bolt has cross threaded in the brake drum on the other side now . . .

getting pretty sick of it now  :cry:


you sure it's not you?  :grin:  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: Cory on 07 December 2011, 14:16
that has crossed my mind. i have double and triple checked everything from the wheels to the spigot rings, brake drums, and bolt specs down to the last t. i even phoned the wheel company and they gave me the number for the bolt manufacturer.  the only thing i can think of is that the wheel drums have corroded some how.
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: lewis1641 on 07 December 2011, 14:18
are you starting the bolts with fingers or going straight at it with tools?

surely its pretty hard to cross a wheel bolt thread?

or are you doing them mega tight and stripping the threads?
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: SoundillusioN on 07 December 2011, 14:52
sawing the ends off the bolts is probably affecting the start of their threads so they might not start straight and then mash up the hub thread.
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: Cory on 07 December 2011, 16:36
im not over tightening them. once i sawed them down. i filed the ends down so that they were finished off properly and re shaped the ends of the thread with the file so that the wouldnt happen again.

i have been doing the bolts up by hand as far as my fingers will reach in the holes. then using a socket because a tyre iron wont fit in the holes.

after inspection of my old bolts they seem a little dirty, so im thinking now that the issue is with dirt in the wheel drum threads causing the problem.

have new a complete set of new bolts coming tomorrow plus 8 24mm ones specifically for the rears. guna order up a new drum and bearing and see what happens then.

so carless week number 5 for me . . .
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: MrBounce on 07 December 2011, 17:38
Why not just buy the correct size bolts in the first place?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: justalex81 on 07 December 2011, 17:39
i've never heard of anyone cross threading that many wheel bolts. go and learn how to put them in properly before you destroy anything else  :evil:
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: Diamond Hell on 09 December 2011, 17:39
you sure it's not you? 

This.

that has crossed my mind. i have double and triple checked everything from the wheels to the spigot rings, brake drums, and bolt specs down to the last t.

Likely wrongness.  You're fitting dodgy wheels.  You SURE they're 4X100 PCD
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: tweed on 09 December 2011, 19:06
you sure it's not you? 

This.

that has crossed my mind. i have double and triple checked everything from the wheels to the spigot rings, brake drums, and bolt specs down to the last t.

Likely wrongness.  You're fitting dodgy wheels.  You SURE they're 4X100 PCD

This is what I thought
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: leigh_harty on 09 December 2011, 19:31
Don't some fords Or mini's come in 4x98? A possible cause...
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: Cory on 10 December 2011, 15:23
i think i know whats caused the problem now. the old bolts and drums have some corrosion on them for some reason. probably my fault getting the bolts dirty when doing coilovers, rear axle bushes, brakes and a few other bits all at the same time at the start of summer.

new drum, bearing and bolts on one side and all seems tickedy-boo. just waiting on another drum to be delivered and ill have a car again
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: Chris. on 10 December 2011, 16:45
copperslip helps.
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: Diamond Hell on 10 December 2011, 18:10
copperslip helps.

NO

You want your wheel bolts to stay where they are.  The threads should be clean and dry, not with something smeared all over them which is specifically designed to stop things seizing where they are (i.e. not coming loose!).
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: Chris. on 10 December 2011, 18:12
Wildly debated topic.....LOTs of people put copperslip on wheelbolts.
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: SoundillusioN on 10 December 2011, 19:28
Wildly debated topic.....LOTs of people put copperslip on wheelbolts.

Lots of people self harm.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: travisreeve on 11 December 2011, 18:38
Copperslip on wheel bolts is an mot failier if the mot tester was to check them

 
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: cняis on 11 December 2011, 20:07
Copperslip on wheel bolts is an mot failier if the mot tester was to check them

 

Our MOT testers only check that bolts are all present (if the bolts can be seen), and NOT whether they're smeared with grease.

The local tyre place always uses a thin smear of copper slip.
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: travisreeve on 11 December 2011, 20:32
only goin by what other mot testers have said
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: tweed on 11 December 2011, 21:33
you don't copperslip the threads, you copperslip the tapper.
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 11 December 2011, 22:28
Copperslip on wheel bolts is an mot failier if the mot tester was to check them

 

Where is that in the testers manual?
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 11 December 2011, 22:29
you don't copperslip the threads, you copperslip the tapper.

Nothing wrong with using a small amount of copper slip on the threads.
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: Sam on 11 December 2011, 22:44
I copperslip the hub, the wheel nuts go in bone dry as stated  :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: thats another wheel drum f*cked then . . .
Post by: danny_p on 12 December 2011, 00:37
on the truck the nuts, threads and hub get covers in coppeslip else you can never get the damb things off.   everything else just the hub bolts go in dry.