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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Dub_master77 on 03 December 2011, 17:27
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Hi all,
I have a quick question which I would like to ask regarding the VW Golf Bluemotion.
I used to have an early VW Golf Bluemotion Match 1.9 105HP on a 58 plate. I understand that one of the features of this was lowered suspension for aerodynamic reasons. The car actually handled great going around corners. (yes even with only 105hp)
Now the old car has gone and I have replaced the Bluemotion with another one.
This time I have opted for the 140HP TDi Bluemotion Tech Match. I was expecting the power to be loads greater and it doesn't fail on this point but the suspension is crap at best.
It rolls like nothing else that I have ever driven and it slides like mad, even under medium cornering. This car has 16's with wider profile tyres as opposed to the doughnuts that were on the old car's 15 inch alloys.
Can anyone shed any light on what the difference is between the two set ups or if not, at least what is different between my set up and that of the GT TDi mark 6 Golf. If its as simple as a set of springs, I will get it done quick time but there is no way that I can live with the current set up. I have only had the car for less than 1000 miles and its already getting to me big time.
Your help is appreciated.
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Are the transit blocks still on the suspension springs?!?
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Not really sure what that is. Care to clarify ?
Is it some sticker with part numbers on it ?
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Its the blocks they put in the springs when transporting the Golf!!
They tend to make the golf look quite high and would make it roll like how you've described.
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+1 get on your hands and knees and have a look at your springs, they're usually bright orange bits of plastic, they're to stop the car boucing up and down while being transported.
I went for a test drive in a GTI before i got mine and they were still in, the ride was rock hard and it did move around more on the road than mine. :shocked:
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If trying to source original sports suspension for my Passat is anything to go by, there are a multitude of spring, damper, bushing combinations. Each one different according to the model, spec and extras fitted to the car.
If you have got body roll, it won't be that the transit blocks are still in. I think the most simple solution would be a set of decent aftermarket springs. H&R or Eibachs with a 25mm or so drop ought to do the job and still work well with the original dampers.
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Good suggestions there and now it seems a little clearer. Its hammering down with rain right now so its going to be a job for tomorrow.
I do hope that its got those blocks in so it could be a cheap fix. If it doesn't have the blocks in, Eibach springs it is.
I will let you guys know what I find once I get under it
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What type of rubber is on the car vs your old one. It's not some hard, save the planet eco tyre that's causing your problem is it?
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Hi,
Its actually the other way around. The one that we have now is not the eco tyre but the old one was.
The car has over 1k on it now and it feels poor to drive. Looks like it might have to be a set of spings on this to get it to ride a little better. Does anyone know what parts differ between what i have and the GT spec version of the car ?
Thanks,
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Your best bet is to ask the parts department at the dealer, or TPS, to check the part numbers of springs and dampers for your car against the part numbers for a GT. You'll need a reg number for the GT, but you can get one off a used car site.
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hows about
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AP-Coilover-Suspension-Kit-VW-Golf-MK6-1K-2008-/200579428778?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2eb37731aa
or
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Koni-1130-1111-Sport-Suspension-Kit-Golf-Mk6-2008-2010-/180619644846?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2a0dc50fae#ht_3490wt_986
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Crash, bang, oooh me back, arrhhh me fillings.
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Its a company car so coilovers are not an option.
I am also looking at getting it done reasonably cheap.
Does anyone have access to something like the old etka that can help ? I am not sure what the new one is called.
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Hi, just read your original post and can't help thinking the first thing is to get the dealer to check it out (if you haven't already). You say it actually slides easily on medium cornering...that does not sound right at all as it's actually not easy to get a car actually sliding (on dry roads at sensible speeds) these days. Unless your 'medium' is measured on the Hamilton scale. Or perhaps you meant understeer?
I have a GT TDI, and I would have thought if your's is on 'Sport' suspension they should be pretty similar - how many variations of Sport suspension can there be?
I would really recommend getting out in it with the dealer on board, and also insist on comparing it with another similar Golf too. It really shouldn't be sliding out from under you.
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Hi,
That's seems like sound advice. I am not sure that my car comes with standard sports suspension.
I will offer the dealer the chance to come out on a test drive and see if he thinks that the car handles like it should do.
The more I drive it the more I dis like it. I cant even get rid as its a company car. Dont fancy three years of this.
If worst comes to worst, I will just swap out the springs and see if that makes things any better. Apparently the sports suspension is described as lowered suspension by 15mm. If this is all it is, then its a simple fix.
This is the reason why I would like someone to technically confirm that all other suspension elements are the same and its just the springs that differ.
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There will be some spring rate and damper variations, even within Sport suspension as opposed to normal / GTI etc, to account for differences in axle weights when certain options are fitted e.g. DSG, etc.
The GT i have is "sports suspension; lowered by 15mm" so basically the same as yours subject to the above. I've not driven the Bluemotion; but I have driven a standard Match TDI for 2 weeks (long story; mine was poorly) and although not as sporty handling as mine it was pretty good I thought; certainly no sliding.
Let us know how you get on with it.
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Forgive my ignorance here, but I thought only the full on Bluemotion model has sports suspension, along with body kit, 15" wheels etc.
The car the OP has is a Match 2.0TDI with Bluemotion Technology. It is essentially a normal Match, but with stop start and possibly alternator disengagement. It will have standard suspension and 16" wheels.
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i would definitely take this back to the dealers. maybe a spring is broken or something is bent/misaligned?
also are your tyre pressures right?
don't want to patronise but its worth a look.
my mrs sister was moaning about her car handling bad and she wanted to sell it so i checked the pressures and the front were 14psi one side and 38psi the other and 30psi rear - should be 29f/29r. of course the car drove bad!
the car drove fine afterwards (until the tyre i told her had a slow puncture let go a few days later and the spare in the boot which i told her was illegal was useless... :rolleyes:)
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Forgive my ignorance here, but I thought only the full on Bluemotion model has sports suspension, along with body kit, 15" wheels etc.
The car the OP has is a Match 2.0TDI with Bluemotion Technology. It is essentially a normal Match, but with stop start and possibly alternator disengagement. It will have standard suspension and 16" wheels.
Correct.
I drive a hire Golf TDI base model occasionally at work; in the dark it feels just like my GTI, similar torque at sensible speeds, same layout and feel from the interior in the darkness. So I just drive it as I would my GTI (which isn't particularly quickly as I'm old and broken) and the front end will wash out on a roundabout unlike my GTI which would just blast through.
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could try a stiffer rear ant roll bar
fairly cheap and very easy to fit and will reduce understeer