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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Guy on 28 November 2011, 12:14
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word up
popping in the new sky bb router at the mrs' home at some point in the next couple of days
want to also upgrade their sky box to HD+ anytime which means we can download movies/boxsets/series etc on demand
now... had the thought that I would install it upstairs next to the phone point in the room where the desktop is
then... from the router in this location run an ethernet cable to the wall and directly down to the point where the tv box is... obviously I would want to run it to boxes so I could unclip the cables and walk away as necessary and just leave the junction boxes
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phone point upstairs -----> router ------> desktop
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wall box
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wall box downstairs -------> sky box
landline phone on separate phone junction downstairs with ADSL filter
so... what tools, equipment etc do I need to do this and what should I be aware of when going through cavity walling?
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you need two face plates, a lenght of network cable, the type you get will dictate the maximum speed (achievable), cat5 is 10/100, cat5e/cat6 is 10/100/1000.
regarding the fitting, no different than routing an cable, if you're doing a proper job then you'll want chase out a channel for the cable then plaster over it. If you're doing a bodge job then you could simply drill trough the ceiling and leave the cable hanging, in-between this you've got tower clips (the type you would run a phone extension with).
Re the ceiling, the gap can be bigger than you think, so you're going to need either a large drill or something to feed the wire through a hole drilled either side, best bet is a sparky on the forum.
Personally as it's the sky box then I'd get a wireless acess point and a wireless router, the anytime / on demand wont be able saturate the wireless bandwidth
phone point -----> wireless router ------> desktop
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wi-fi
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wireless access point or router -------> sky
you basically create a bridge between the two wifi devices which is the same as running a cable, given the cost of running a cable properly this would probably be cheaper. an other alternative is the ethernet over power, this uses your home wiring as the cable.
also given the main problem you've got here is routing cables, I'd probably say off topic would be a better place (maybe).
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(i thought as it was talking bout tech stuff it might be better off in the tech sectchun - there would be crossover whatever section it went in :/)
i was thinking as the walls are that silly plasterboard stuff that I could just drill a hole in it and drop a cable down the gap in the wall :/
you can pickup a sky specific wireless receiver for £60 which would probably be the best solution but I kinda liked the idea of paying about a tenner for the whole solution
I was just thinking would I need crimps or anything for connecting up the junction boxes?
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you need 2 faceplates and 2 RJ45 outlets
so two of these (as they include the lot)
http://www.screwfix.com/p/philex-rj45-module-outlet-kit-single-cat-5e/10030
stick one behind the tele and one near the router, get the length of cable and its a scotch style fit into the back of the connectors, instructions show you what colour wire for what pin but its easy enough, just a small blunt screwdriver to push the wiring into the connectors. there is a tool but ive never used one..
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you need 2 faceplates and 2 RJ45 outlets
so two of these (as they include the lot)
http://www.screwfix.com/p/philex-rj45-module-outlet-kit-single-cat-5e/10030
stick one behind the tele and one near the router, get the length of cable and its a scotch style fit into the back of the connectors, instructions show you what colour wire for what pin but its easy enough, just a small blunt screwdriver to push the wiring into the connectors. there is a tool but ive never used one..
bonza.... do they recess back into the wall?
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those dont they sit out,
i suppoose you could use this so its flush http://www.screwfix.com/p/single-keystone-jack-faceplate/29153
but then dont forget you need the outlet http://www.screwfix.com/p/philex-rj45-cat5e-jack-punch-down-outlet-90-white/72694
you can use either 90 degree or 180 degree connectors with most faceplates. the connectors just clip into the faceplate
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those dont they sit out,
i suppoose you could use this so its flush http://www.screwfix.com/p/single-keystone-jack-faceplate/29153
but then dont forget you need the outlet http://www.screwfix.com/p/philex-rj45-cat5e-jack-punch-down-outlet-90-white/72694
you can use either 90 degree or 180 degree connectors with most faceplates. the connectors just clip into the faceplate
i was hoping they would as I was looking at the double kit for the unit you recommended... if you look at the second review there is a photo
http://www.screwfix.com/p/philex-rj45-cat5e-module-outlet-kit-double/34584# (http://www.screwfix.com/p/philex-rj45-cat5e-module-outlet-kit-double/34584#)
i am guessing that it is just like the two separate products you recommended plus this http://www.screwfix.com/p/45mm-1g-network-pattress/10228 (http://www.screwfix.com/p/45mm-1g-network-pattress/10228)
i'll get the two double kits + some cat5e (maybe some cat 6) cable
what tool/s would you recommend for stripping the wires and punching down... i don't mind buying tools if I am saving money, chances are if this install works I will get carried away with it and install data everywhere :evil:
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you only need to strip back the outer cables to expose the 8 wires inside, you do not need to strip the 8 small wires, they just push in. like i say scotch like style, i cant vouch for tools i use a small screw driver but something like this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RJ45-RJ11-Cat5e-Network-Cable-Punch-Down-Impact-Tool-UK-/250652856235?pt=UK_Computing_NetworkingTools_Accessories_SM&hash=item3a5c130fab#ht_2797wt_1089
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if you use a double box you can dispose of the single phone line box.
so you have the phone in coming in the left socket and then the one to downstairs going to the right socket. save having 2 seperate boxes. you can plug adsl/phone lines into rj45 connectors.
i know this as in my brothers house, i used 2 rj45 connectors and cat5 cable to effectively extend the phone line into his sky router as he didnt want the router in the hall by the front door where the phone line box is.
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you only need to strip back the outer cables to expose the 8 wires inside, you do not need to strip the 8 small wires, they just push in. like i say scotch like style, i cant vouch for tools i use a small screw driver but something like this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RJ45-RJ11-Cat5e-Network-Cable-Punch-Down-Impact-Tool-UK-/250652856235?pt=UK_Computing_NetworkingTools_Accessories_SM&hash=item3a5c130fab#ht_2797wt_1089
okey dokey so some crafty work stripping it with a craft knife and then getting a cheap punch :wink:
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Would be cheaper, quicker and easier using cheap home plugs:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Newlink-85-Mbps-home-plug-ethernet-cable-/270860353018?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item3f1088fdfa#ht_500wt_1203
Cheap enough to take a punt on and provides enough speed for what you want.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200Mbps-Powerline-Homeplug-Adapters-Twin-Pack-/260902117619?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item3cbefa60f3#ht_964wt_1140
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=homeplug+ethernet&_sacat=0&_sop=15&_odkw=homeplug&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
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hmmm... i know... but I just wanted to see if I could do it... you know... for sh!ts and giggles!! :laugh:
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You've got to watch out for power cables when doing this, not just to avoid drilling into them, but also make sure the cat5/e/6 does not run parallel with the power cables otherwise the EMI could reduce the signal quality and thus speed. You need to be at 90 degrees to have as little interference as poss.
Can you get the floor boards up and see if it might help you route the cables better?
You could also use trunking to hide the cable if you decide to drop if through the floor->ceiling.
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You've got to watch out for power cables when doing this, not just to avoid drilling into them, but also make sure the cat5/e/6 does not run parallel with the power cables otherwise the EMI could reduce the signal quality and thus speed. You need to be at 90 degrees to have as little interference as poss.
Can you get the floor boards up and see if it might help you route the cables better?
You could also use trunking to hide the cable if you decide to drop if through the floor->ceiling.
was hoping to just drop through the cavity and down through the wall that way... no floorboards etc won't be using trunking as I want it all completely hidden behind the wall
as far as I know there won't be ably electrical cables in the run but i'll see if i can sniff anything out beforehand
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The problem with dropping cables down in cavity walls is not getting the cable in, but getting the other end out.
What you need for this is a tool like this: http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand+Tools/Electricians+Tools/MagnaMole/d10/sd170/p12294 (http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand+Tools/Electricians+Tools/MagnaMole/d10/sd170/p12294)
When my brother put Cat5e in his flat he borrowed a tool from an electrician friend and it still took ages.
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Is it a internal cavity wall you are planning on dropping the cable down?,the reason i ask is the cavity may be full of insulation if its a external wall and wall ties which stop the external and internal walls from seperating.
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probably be dropped down an external cavity
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Seconding homeplugs.. I use them in my house and in my parent's house - saves so much hassle and they're surprisingly good.
Messing about with trunking is NOT fun.. There's something quite stress-relieving about punching down modules though.
Best of luck!
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i just wanted to try something different, and a bit neater :lipsrsealed:
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I'm in an old terraced house and I had to run cable from the frontroom to my computer upstairs and to networked hard drive under the stairs. The solution was
Router in frontroom ----> Through Outside Wall ----> Up Outside wall ---- > In through bedroom wall
Then routed around the edge of the bedroom in the gap by under the skirting board. Then the cable goes straight down through a whole in the floor where there were already pipes going.
It's neat and can't be seen inside the house and the cable isn't noticeable on the wall of the house, not amongst the TV aerial cables anyway.
Much easier drilling straight through a wall, even easier when I just used the holes that were there already from an old Sky tv cable.
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I'm in an old terraced house and I had to run cable from the frontroom to my computer upstairs and to networked hard drive under the stairs. The solution was
Router in frontroom ----> Through Outside Wall ----> Up Outside wall ---- > In through bedroom wall
Then routed around the edge of the bedroom in the gap by under the skirting board. Then the cable goes straight down through a whole in the floor where there were already pipes going.
It's neat and can't be seen inside the house and the cable isn't noticeable on the wall of the house, not amongst the TV aerial cables anyway.
Much easier drilling straight through a wall, even easier when I just used the holes that were there already from an old Sky tv cable.
crafty!! :grin:
I was thinking about that... a mate of mine is a builder so will consult him first about the cavity thing
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problem has been solved..
I just plugged in one of these fellows downstairs
http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/hometheater/networking-for-home-theater-and-gaming/WNCE2001.aspx (http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/hometheater/networking-for-home-theater-and-gaming/WNCE2001.aspx)
which I then plugged into the ethernet of a time machine and the network is extended downstairs with stronger signal and ethernet into sky so remote record and sky+ anytime are now tickety boo!
job done...
time taken - 10 mins
cost - £34
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I was thinking about that... a mate of mine is a builder so will consult him first about the cavity thing
Good job having seen your recent attempts at DIY :laugh:
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problem has been solved..
I just plugged in one of these fellows downstairs
http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/hometheater/networking-for-home-theater-and-gaming/WNCE2001.aspx (http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/hometheater/networking-for-home-theater-and-gaming/WNCE2001.aspx)
which I then plugged into the ethernet of a time machine and the network is extended downstairs with stronger signal and ethernet into sky so remote record and sky+ anytime are now tickety boo!
job done...
time taken - 10 mins
cost - £34
this was what I was raving on about in another thread. I got the d link one with pass through so you dont lose a plug socket either. Fantastic bit of kit to complement 50MB connection :evil:
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I was thinking about that... a mate of mine is a builder so will consult him first about the cavity thing
Good job having seen your recent attempts at DIY :laugh:
:grin:
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problem has been solved..
I just plugged in one of these fellows downstairs
http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/hometheater/networking-for-home-theater-and-gaming/WNCE2001.aspx (http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/hometheater/networking-for-home-theater-and-gaming/WNCE2001.aspx)
which I then plugged into the ethernet of a time machine and the network is extended downstairs with stronger signal and ethernet into sky so remote record and sky+ anytime are now tickety boo!
job done...
time taken - 10 mins
cost - £34
this was what I was raving on about in another thread. I got the d link one with pass through so you dont lose a plug socket either. Fantastic bit of kit to complement 50MB connection :evil:
yep... saved me a lot of trouble... saves on a lot of wires etc!
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I'm going to get me one of those HomePlugs, the ethernet cable running along the skirting board from the living room to the bed room is getting old and frayed from the door closing on it :grin:
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Jay... if you can i would hold out for this!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004KPLKO6/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d2_g147_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=0M4T4VBSVCNXQKQ6G5W4&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128473&pf_rd_i=468294
Cant get them for love nor money at the moment but think all the big players are due them in a couple of weeks. :smiley: