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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: golfmk4owner on 12 November 2011, 18:38
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Hi guys, when i turn the key on my 16 valve KR the engine doesnt turn at all and then the clocks reset. I tried it with my lights on and rather than them dimming they went off completely. Whatever the problem is completely takes all power and breaks the circuit.
Ive fitted a new starter.
Ive cleaned all terminals at the battery.
Ive cleaned the gearbox earth, cylinder head earth and battery earth.
Ive charged the battery.
Ive tried another battery.
Ive left my tea go cold and punched myself in the face.
Nothing works, any ideas?
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Ignition switch. Checked that?
Over time the plastic wears so the terminals don't make contact when you turn the key.
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Take the plugs out and see if it turns over. Can you turn it over by hand? Can you bump start it. Check cambelt has not snapped or skipped. A piston could be hard up against a valve.
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sounds like your getting a lot resistence against the starter motor try 19mm spanner on the crank to see if theres any movement if not somthing has siezed up
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could be a hydrolic lock, whip the plugs out and turn over by hand and if loadz of motion potion comes cascading out then thats ur problem solved. happend to a mates gte when his kids kept turning the ignition on and off without starting the engine, something to do with injectors priming
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Ive just put the head back on and turned it over by hand so its not valve contact. I cant turn it by hand as it is cos the crank pulley and v belt would have to come off first but before i put it all together i DID turn it with no problems by hand.
What about the resetting clocks, isnt that an electrical clue?
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siezed starter?
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just read you changed the starter will it start with apush or tow
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To be honest the only reason i replaced the starter os because i broke the thread getting the old one off. Testing revealed that it was working fine. Exactly the same symptoms with the new one anyway so it wasnt the starter in the first place. I cant push start at the mo because its in my sisters garage which has a inclined driveway
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well if you can get it to start with a push that will a least show you that it starts then you will know its from ignition to starter problem
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Right i have tried using a wire across the positive and positive switch terminal on the starter and it did exactly the same thing as when i turn the key so does that rule out a problem between the key and starter?
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yep somthing is jamming up somewhere did it do this before you changed the starter? does the crank turn with a spanner ?
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Yes it did mate, thats why i changed the starter to rule it out. Its happened since i put the head back on. Yes it turns with a spanner on the crank, it is quite stiff but easy enough. I torqued the camshafts in the haynes sequence to the haynes torque spec and everything. It goes around by hand so its not out of timing. Baffled.
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im baffeled to. try taking off the starter and checking it spins when you put power to it should just need to earth the body and touch the live with a wire from the battery.
could try this with your old starter if you still have it first though
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Yep tried it with my old starter mate to check and it came out and span :undecided:
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Mine doses that when my battery is half dead the start is not enough to start it, but completely drains power to the dash i.e clocks go?
What Voltages are you getting from the battery fella?
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Yeah same.
Athough mine does it everynow and again even though its fully charged cos of the ignition timing being too far advanced.
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sounds like a battery issue still to me, did you put the end cam caps on in the right order just another thought.
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Hmm you know what guys i think im going to have to try a new meaty battery if you guys have had the same thing. If it was the ignition timing, would i just adjust the dizzy?
appreciating the comments so far guys im feeling the love
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yes. could try backing it off a bit.
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just a thought but if it was ignition timing would it still spin over but just not start? Because this isnt even turning
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if its too far advanced it wont turn over. piston is on the way up on the compression stroke but the plug is firing too early trying to push it back down
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Right guys i connected jump leads off my mk5 golf gt today, still the same though. So i can rule out battery. When i put a lead from the positive battery to the spade on the starter it clicks but doesnt turn which screams of failed starter to me, but then i had the same thing on the starter that i removed which was working.
I also tried earthing the motor directly with a lead from the starter housing to battery negative to rule out faulty earth but no joy. Im giving up to be honest.
Oh yeh i also took the plugs out and leads off so its nothing to do with ignition. The thing just will not turn.
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can you bum start it?
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Its on an uphill driveway in a small garage :undecided:
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So the bendix is spining right when the starter motor is off and you force 12V on to it?
Let me know if your bendix will engage and it spins freely off car!
You could have a broken bendix and its just stuck on the block?
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Well the one i took off with exactly the same symptoms came out and span when i put 12v to it
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Look down the hole where the starter sits and check for any loose bits of metal you might need a torch inspect for any signs of metal.
So far from my understanding there is 12V to the starter from ignition key right? (IF NOT POSSIBLY SOMETHING IS EARTHING OUT SO YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH CRANKING AMPAGE POWER TO START)
But its not spinning when its mounted to the block? Right?
When its off the car it spins nice and freely when 12V is applied right?
If all conditions are met then something in your block is stuck I have a feeling the cog that the bendix sits on is jammed somehow the only situation I've come across is when the shaft of that cog has broken and now jams up the whole cranking shaft. Which is why I want you to bum start it becuase if it starts without the the starter the car is fine and the starter crank shaft has shat its self somehow?
:undecided:
PS try disconecting the alternator cable to battery and see what happens!
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do you have friends with cars if so tie a rope to your cor and a rope to there car get them to drive away and you wont be in the garage anymore then put car in gear with ignition on lift clutch and see if it starts