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Title: Engine removal questions
Post by: emery1990 on 12 November 2011, 12:04
Ive got an engine hoist with a hook on it, I didnt get anything else with it, was expecting something to wrap around the engine or something. Never used one before so Don't know how I need to support the engine. Ive got a wrap around thing that supported my engine in transit, needs a quick answer as wou7ld like the engine out today.

Thanks
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: emery1990 on 12 November 2011, 12:20
Nope cant use that, so basically got an engine hoist sitting there for a week not being able to use it, why wouldn't it not come with lifting equipment so it can actually be used.
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: danny_p on 12 November 2011, 12:25
They never come with anything,   I usally use a few feet of chain with bolts through the links to hold the engine, or on cars anything will do,old seatbe
Ts are a favoret, as are small ratchet straps  if needs must even blue rope
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: emery1990 on 12 November 2011, 12:28
Ahhright thought they might come with something. I've found this from machine mart http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/range/guid/EFB02A37-CF38-406B-8839-C255122309F6 so would that be ok to use 1tonne lifting so I'd presume so!

Thanks

Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: danny_p on 12 November 2011, 12:35
It would work but I find slings sub optimal   with a chain you can lift tthe engine on the piss if you like
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: DOA on 12 November 2011, 12:52
B&Q normally sell chain by the meter.
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: emery1990 on 12 November 2011, 14:03
Ok thanks for the advice, I just went and bought an engine leveler and some slings.

thanks.

Right the drivetrain bolts, what size star bit are they, Ive tried all the sizes ive got but non grip it!

M8 spline been told.
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 12 November 2011, 14:45
Do you mean the inner cv joint to flange? they are spline headed bolts.
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: emery1990 on 12 November 2011, 15:11
Yes mate, just bought a clarke tool kit as wanted it out today, but all but one of the bolts are rounded , couldn't get the spline bit to grip, even with hammer it a bit and pushing against it, it just slipped all the time :sick: So god knows what I'm going to do now, hammer in a bigger spline bit?
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: DOA on 12 November 2011, 16:03
Mole grips!
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: emery1990 on 12 November 2011, 16:14
Did think about grips, but aint got moles, try that tomorrow then!
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: emery1990 on 13 November 2011, 12:42
Have you tried the mole grips on it before, as normal grips cannot grip it as cannot get them on enough ( not enough teeth on the bolt) so mole grips won't lock the whole way round the bolt anyway.

I got one off using a 12mm socket hammered on, but then that rounded off the 12mm  bit now that is stuck on one of the bolts and won't come off even though it slides about  :angry: will get heat on that though. So only thing I can think of doing is buying 6 12mm socket bits, or drilling them out.
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: DOA on 13 November 2011, 13:00
Last time I removed one it had female torx bolts IIRC (though admittedly there was only two left in after the rest had fallen out/snapped but that wasnt on my own car). If they wont grip, tighten them up and apply more force  :tongue:, they should be tight enough that you dont like the removal bit because you know they will ping in your hands! You only have to get the very end on there if you do it tight enough.
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: Seanl on 13 November 2011, 13:13
Stilsons. The tighter you grip, the tighter they grip so get someone with strong hands! The driveshaft bolts have a sort of ribbed head on them anyway iirc, so you should be able to get a decent purchase on them with mole grips or stilsons whatever you go with.
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: emery1990 on 13 November 2011, 13:42
Ok mate, I have got a small set of stilson but gave up after grips didn't work and that socket got stuck lol Yer stilsonj would work better as you don't have got anything around the bolt like the grips I was using. Pump grips might have a better chance aswell.
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: ToddyGTi on 14 November 2011, 18:27
Irwin Grip Bolts.

Removed tons of rounded driveshaft bolts with these
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: emery1990 on 14 November 2011, 19:36
Cheers mate, I'll look into a set !

Don't seem to do a 12mm one, thats the size socket that went over it with some hammering, would a 13mm one do the job.
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: emery1990 on 20 November 2011, 15:15
Done with the bolt grips..... The 19mm bolt just below the driveshaft please say that can stay in.... I've undone tight bolts before but this one is unreal!!! heated it up and everything but nothing! To get the engine off of the bell housing is it 3 bolts? Thats all Ive seen and removed 2 of them so far. Just need to get this bolt out then can undo my rear mount!
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: danny_p on 20 November 2011, 15:49
that 19mm bolt has to come out,  big kuckel bar will shift it.
Title: Re: Engine hoist question asap!!!!!!
Post by: emery1990 on 20 November 2011, 15:59
OK cheers.
Title: Re: Engine removal questions
Post by: emery1990 on 22 November 2011, 17:18
I've got that bolt out, but now I've snapped one of the rear mounts bolts, is that a problem or if I get the others out ok will it like lift out as there is no nut on the bolt?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Engine removal questions
Post by: danny_p on 22 November 2011, 22:27
it may do depends how well corroded in there it is,  if it won't just undo the 4 bolts holding the rear mount arm to the engine block,

then undo the 2 bolts that hold the mount to the subframe then deal with it on the bench at a later date
Title: Re: Engine removal questions
Post by: emery1990 on 23 November 2011, 21:04
Thats what I've snapped one of the four holding the mount to the engine, the 13mm ones on top as you look at it, I'm taking friday off work so Ive got an actual whole day to play around!
Title: Re: Engine removal questions
Post by: emery1990 on 25 November 2011, 11:09
Could do with a quick answer, want the engine out today! It's very wobbly, I think all those 3 bolts on the rear mount snapped  :undecided: I undo the big 17mm centre bolt that goes through the mount, but I cannot get the engine out. It is seperated from the gearbox, does the driveshaft have to come right out of the gearbox. I've split the flange, but this looks like the reason why the engine isn't coming out.
Title: Re: Engine removal questions
Post by: Seanl on 25 November 2011, 11:55
Better off disconnecting drive shafts at gb end, and leaving the box attached to the lump when pulling it out. Creates more hassle than it's worth taking the box off first
Title: Re: Engine removal questions
Post by: emery1990 on 25 November 2011, 12:50
I am the bigger that that donut in the simpsons. I'm only taking the block out, so didnt even need to remove the driveshaft!!! Notice when the engine was out looking at the driveshaft thinking it's fing connected to the gearbox! £50 wasted on tools and now need new bolts and gasket for it  :grin:

To make it worse it fell apart and getting it back together with all that slime didnt help  :laugh:

It was a steep learning curve!

Where would I get the driveshaft bolts from ? Today.