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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Cory on 11 November 2011, 13:30
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bought some wheels and a fitting kit. got delivered this morning so have been fitting the new wheels.
went all round the car torquing up the wheel bolts, and i found two that are just spinning on one of the rear wheels. :huh: so i jacked the car back up and removed the two good bolts. the other two are just spinning. wont come out, wont go in any further. does this mean they have cross threaded the rear hub? seems a little odd.
also with this in mind is it safe to drive down to the garage? 10 mins away
thanks in advance
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I would not be driving it at all tbh :smiley:
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any idea on how to get the offending bolts out?
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They're not just some sort of locking wheel nut that you've mixed up and stuck 2 on that wheel are they!?
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no, im pretty sure the thread in the hub has been destroyed. getting them out is going to be a fun game . . .
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if i took off the hub nut, and wheel bearing, would the wheel not just come off of the stub axel attched to the brake drum? does that make sense? because surely the wheel bolts aren't long enough to go through the brake drum and into brake back plate?
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If you have two good bolts then I would personally take a chance and slowly /carefully make my way to a garage that is close by...they can then deal with the situation.Just use a bit of common sense and don#t travel in rush hour traffic...two correctly torqued up bolts and the wheel is safe enough!
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If you have two good bolts then I would personally take a chance and slowly /carefully make my way to a garage that is close by...they can then deal with the situation.Just use a bit of common sense and don#t travel in rush hour traffic...two correctly torqued up bolts and the wheel is safe enough!
Bollocks to that! I wouldn't risk it!
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If you have two good bolts then I would personally take a chance and slowly /carefully make my way to a garage that is close by...they can then deal with the situation.Just use a bit of common sense and don#t travel in rush hour traffic...two correctly torqued up bolts and the wheel is safe enough!
nuts to that! I wouldn't risk it!
not a chance I would risk it :shocked:
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Each to their own! It would be a slightly different situation if he had to travel down National speed limit roads...we are talking thirty miles an hour/ten mins max! Don't be afraid of the dark lads!
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or you could try driving it to the garage with just the 2 dodgy bolt in then if the wheel falls off you wwont need to go to the garage cause the bolts wil be out :laugh: :laugh:
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then hel be visiting a body shop ;)
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in theory it's a big no no but in practice two bolts will hold a wheel on at low speeds.
ive had enough cars rock up at the workshop in the past with wheels been held on with a sub optimal number of bolts. even a mercwith all the wheel bolts loose,
fit a merc space saver with the std wheel bolts and the shank threads right through the hub they won't tighten and they won't come out. taht came from an inpressive distance.
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in theory it's a big no no but in practice two bolts will hold a wheel on at low speeds.
ive had enough cars rock up at the workshop in the past with wheels been held on with a sub optimal number of bolts. even a mercwith all the wheel bolts loose,
fit a merc space saver with the std wheel bolts and the shank threads right through the hub they won't tighten and they won't come out. taht came from an inpressive distance.
This to be honest.
In the process of finishing my car for it's first MOT in years I had to drive mine for 10 mins down the road with a bolt missing from each wheel. (lost the lockers)
Ideally you would want tight bolts opposite each other in the hub at least and obviously drive slowly and carefully. (although it does take a lot for a wheel to come off).
A stupid friend of mine complained for weeks about his Passat that had an annoying, rattling sound coming from the offside and steering vibration at speed. Turned out all bolts on one wheel were undone (last dealer visit)
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If I didnt have the time or tools to get them out Id happily drive on 2 bolts
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driving will be my last resort. gonna have a play around with it myself first.
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Jack the car up, take off the dustcap in the middle of the hub, take off the split pin, undo the 30mm nut which SHOULD be loose, it's normal and should be only nipped up (let the garage do it) the wheel will then come off with the brake drum. This will be an annoying job due to limited space but is more then doable.
Then take it to the garage and they can remove the bolts and inspect the drum. If the threads are gone in a drum, then you might as well just get a new pair of drums if it's the bolts then two new bolts.
Are they aftermarket wheels?
I also would just drive it but can't say I reccomend it (just incase something happens) but you'd be fine. I was driving around daily in a car which work bought and turns out it only had two out of 5 bolts in each front wheel. :grin:
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If I didnt have the time or tools to get them out Id happily drive on 2 bolts
i would also , not fast though. The ax gt and early saxos only had 3 bolts iirc
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Yes but 3 bolts is alot better than 2 :laugh:
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If I didnt have the time or tools to get them out Id happily drive on 2 bolts
i would also , not fast though. The ax gt and early saxos only had 3 bolts iirc
Yes but they were spaced accordingly.
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Get someone to pull on the wheel whilst undoing the bolts. It should bite and start coming out. Make sure it's on axle stands though.
You sure those wheel bolts are long enough?
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Assuming the spigot in the centre of the hub is engaged in the wheel, two bolts will hold it quite safely as long as your not going to be driving like an idiot. You have to remember that the wheel bolts are specced to deal with braking from top speed which is by far the worst load case scenario. The spigot and bolts support the vertical loads from the weight of the car in shear (strong), the tensile strength of the bolts supports the cornering forces (not quite so strong but still strong) and the shear strangth of the bolts supports the loads imposed by acceleration and this will be the weakest load case. Drive carefully and it will be fine (leave plenty of distance in front of you just in case!).
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Get someone to pull on the wheel whilst undoing the bolts. It should bite and start coming out. Make sure it's on axle stands though.
You sure those wheel bolts are long enough?
I concur
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well i got the stub cap, split pin, and washer out a piss of p*ss.
can anyone tell me what size this bolt is? normal 30mm hub nut socket it way too big. i think its around a 24mm but my socket seems to have gone missing - typical
i think its going to be a pretty easy job after all :wink:
(http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt223/Guitar_cory/900106f4.jpg)
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well i got the stub cap, split pin, and washer out a piss of p*ss.
can anyone tell me what size this bolt is? normal 30mm hub nut socket it way too big. i think its around a 24mm but my socket seems to have gone missing - typical
i think its going to be a pretty easy job after all :wink:
(http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt223/Guitar_cory/900106f4.jpg)
Hmm, could have sworn they are 30.........
May be 24 then.
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bought some wheels and a fitting kit. got delivered this morning so have been fitting the new wheels.
went all round the car torquing up the wheel bolts, and i found two that are just spinning on one of the rear wheels. :huh: so i jacked the car back up and removed the two good bolts. the other two are just spinning. wont come out, wont go in any further. does this mean they have cross threaded the rear hub? seems a little odd.
also with this in mind is it safe to drive down to the garage? 10 mins away
thanks in advance
fun and games for you hope you sorted ya nuts :smiley: :smiley:
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i thought they were 30mm aswell, but have a couple spare bolts and they are alot bigger than the ones fitted. also the centre of the 30mm bolts look too big for the stub axle when i offered if up for comparison.
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good luck fun and games joys of motoring hope you sorted it cheerz trickeymickey
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30mm fronts, 24mm rears.
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You should be able to undo the nut with some pliers no need for a socket as it should not be tight :wink:
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oops - its pretti tight :grin:
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wheel bearing has probably shat itself then :rolleyes:
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wheel bearing has probably shat itself then :rolleyes:
Yep shouldn't be tight at all. Think about replacing the bearing whilst your at it.
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drums pads and bearings were all replaced about 12 weeks ago
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drums pads and bearings were all replaced about 12 weeks ago
Makes no difference if it has been over tightened then the bearing is scrap
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Out of interest, are the wheels multi-fitment or has someone drilled them for you. Some interesting stress raisers in the fizing bores.....
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Out of interest, are the wheels multi-fitment or has someone drilled them for you. Some interesting stress raisers in the fizing bores.....
They look home drilled tbh :undecided:
Also your using the wrong bolts if they are aftermarket alloys.
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not home drilled. just the how the wheels came. also i only put the vw bolts back in as i didnt know if it was an issue with the bolts or not. didnt plan on driving it with the vw ones in.
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Out of interest, are the wheels multi-fitment or has someone drilled them for you. Some interesting stress raisers in the fizing bores.....
They look home drilled tbh :undecided:
Also your using the wrong bolts if they are aftermarket alloys.
Just noticed that on the wheels. Definitely look wrong. Bolts holes that close together looks like a fail waiting to happen. :shocked:
You got a pic of the whole wheel?
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i havent got a pic of the whole wheel. but they are lenso bsx's
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Ignore everything I said, those wheels look dangerous! :shocked:
In your pic it looks like you have two sets of holes, no way they were manufactured like that, you say they came like that, surely second and then and not from a supplier, the secondary bolt holes overlap the originals. From what I see the wheels are fit for nothing but the bin!
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this is worring me now. i bought them from rimstyle.com which is advertised in the vw magazines.
should i phone them and say ive been advised that they are dengerous and want by money back?
(http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt223/Guitar_cory/8cbe3aba.jpg)
(http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt223/Guitar_cory/2605ae56.jpg)
(http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt223/Guitar_cory/86666942.jpg)
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Looks crap tbh, I am no expert and maybe they will be ok but I think you should have more metal around the bolt holes for strength. :undecided:
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i wouldn't put wheels like that on my car i would be sending am email to them asking what the fek is going on most multifit wheels would have all the holes evenly spaced out not right next to each other the closest thing that iv seen to that i 4x100 to 5x100 adaptors and they only have one bolt hole that lines up
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Oh dear fissher cracks I hear!
Get your money back then report them to trading standards shocked!
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:shocked: WtF why didn't they redrill them centrally between the original 4 I personally don't like that.
On further investigation looks like it's not redrilled though :shocked:
found with a google image search
(http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3335/3335514-3.jpg)
(http://is02.thegumtree.com/image/extrabig/95169286.jpg)
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yea. the sharp edges and burrs havent even been removed. If they are redrilled, they could have at least put the holes between the other ones, like with adapters
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Redrilled or factory that is still cack and I will not trust it.
Very poor quality / idea :smiley:
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you got the hub off yet?
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Not a chance I would put those wheels on my car :shocked:
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when i had a wheel bolt stuck in (after some twit tried to nik my wheel and reked the thread on a locking wheel nut), tried everything to get it out, the removal tool which just slipped off until it couldnt grip anymore. numerous chisels and hammers trying to make a slot to get a screwdriver in a windy gun on it, in the end most of the head just snaped off, so we undid 4 bolts a little, not the whole way just enough to put pressure on the stuck bolt but to stop the wheel falling off when the bolt snaped, then took the car into the car park of the garage, and drove around for about ten -15 mins, nothing, then put the car on full lock (so max pressure was on the bolt) and drove around in cirlces for about a min or so untill the bolt snaped and then removed by drilling into it and forcing an allenkey type tool into it and puting in on the windy gun so wheel bolts can put up with quite a bit, mine had 15+ mins of driving by just being held on by one bolt.
also my mate had wheels with a bolt pattern simelar, he ran them for about a year compleatly fine, i however wouldnt like to run them and would prefer something with the multifitment stud pattern more centralised.
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im all for ringing them up and getting my money back, but im pretty sure they will get sh!tty because ive fitted them to the car. . .
will be getting the hub off when i get a 24mm socket, only got the hub bolt and wheel bearing to get off so its gunna take me 20 mins to get off i recon :cool:
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Trading standards, if its not fit for the purpose..
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when i had a wheel bolt stuck in (after some twit tried to nik my wheel and reked the thread on a locking wheel nut), tried everything to get it out, the removal tool which just slipped off until it couldnt grip anymore. numerous chisels and hammers trying to make a slot to get a screwdriver in a windy gun on it, in the end most of the head just snaped off, so we undid 4 bolts a little, not the whole way just enough to put pressure on the stuck bolt but to stop the wheel falling off when the bolt snaped, then took the car into the car park of the garage, and drove around for about ten -15 mins, nothing, then put the car on full lock (so max pressure was on the bolt) and drove around in cirlces for about a min or so untill the bolt snaped and then removed by drilling into it and forcing an allenkey type tool into it and puting in on the windy gun so wheel bolts can put up with quite a bit, mine had 15+ mins of driving by just being held on by one bolt.
also my mate had wheels with a bolt pattern simelar, he ran them for about a year compleatly fine, i however wouldnt like to run them and would prefer something with the multifitment stud pattern more centralised.
Remind me to avoid your technique Sir...I'd rather kiss a Leper!
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thats crazy! :shocked: