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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: am1w on 26 October 2011, 21:01
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It's an awful feeling when a car breaks down, especially with kids in tow but also a bit annoying when quite a new car breaks down.
Let me play Devil's Advocate: It's just this sort of situation that puts me off re-mapping, especially if you can't remove it at will and the car might be towed to the dealer with the new map in place.
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I have done 26k now on a mapped engine, no problems here, it just gets better as the miles clock up,
Hope you get it sorted soon mate :sad:
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To add I did 30k on a remap and no probems either (well kind of :grin:)
Hopefully just a small issue as you said :smiley:
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I can see your point, plus if you could remap and remove your remap at will you'd have a fair number of tell tale signs in the ECU's flash counter that's as good as writing Chipped down the sides of the car in bright day glow writing when the car is plugged into a diagnostics machine or VCDS.....
Plus on your car you'd already struggle to get warranty claims on the electrical side due to the non-OEM mods you've already made - this is very concerning indeed.
Any good indi tuning company would advise you on your best course of action if engine failure occurs when performing the remap.....
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@ Craig: I presume your post was aimed at me. Don't know quite why but I expressed a genuine concern to Adrian with no ulterior motive.
In response: May I ask you which non-OEM electrical parts apart from the power amplifier, sub bass unit and loudspeakers have I installed in my car, please?
Quote from JKM Performance:
Will using the Bluefin handset cause my V.A.G ECU 'Flash Counter' to be increased?
On later V.A.G applications the Engine Control Unit (ECU) contains an ECU ‘Flash counter’. This is essentially a number that is stored in the ECU and it can only be viewed by specifically looking for it within the ‘advanced data’ area of the ECU - when using suitable diagnostics equipment. As its name suggests the Flash Counter is increased each time the ECU is Flash programmed.
There are various types of ECU used by V.A.G to cover all of their engine types, It is possible to reset the Flash Counter on Bosch MED9 ECU’s used on Turbo Charged Petrol applications such as the 2.0 TFSI engine. Other applications may have their flash count increased following a programming operation with the Bluefin. The message is sent from the bluefin handset to the to the ECU requesting a reset of the flash count, however it is not always successful in doing so on each ECU type.
JKM have not heard of, or are aware of, an official ‘Flash Count log’ being kept by any of the Vehicle manufactures, However we cannot rule this out. This is not something that JKM are aware of any dealership routinely ‘looking at’ during any normal servicing.
Goodnight. :smiley:
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Just didn't want it dragging way off topic - he's had a bad enough day - you know where it was heading.
Tops and bottoms I don't know of a single case where a warranty claim has been rejected due to a car having a remap.
Yes it is possible to reset the flash counter but not by an end user at the side of the road.
Any good indi tuning company will go through the procedure with the customer of what to do if they have a problem with their car.
"apart from the power amplifier, sub bass unit and loudspeakers have I installed in my car"
That's quite a bit you know..... :wink:
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Any good indi tuning company would advise you on your best course of action if engine failure occurs when performing the remap.....
Yeah, unclip high pressure fuel line and aim at red hot exhaust manifold, run like f**k and hope the ECU gets toasted in the blaze!!
Disclaimer: That was an attempt at humour ... don't try it at home kids.
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Any good indi tuning company would advise you on your best course of action if engine failure occurs when performing the remap.....
Yeah, unclip high pressure fuel line and aim at red hot exhaust manifold, run like f**k and hope the ECU gets toasted in the blaze!!
Disclaimer: That was an attempt at humour ... don't try it at home kids.
I see you've used us before :grin:
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Any good indi tuning company would advise you on your best course of action if engine failure occurs when performing the remap.....
Yeah, unclip high pressure fuel line and aim at red hot exhaust manifold, run like f**k and hope the ECU gets toasted in the blaze!!
Disclaimer: That was an attempt at humour ... don't try it at home kids.
I see you've used us before :grin:
To date I've had numerous cars remapped and have had no issues that caused a breakdown, i have taken all of them into main delaers for servicing and never had anything mentioned, this has been VW, Audi and BMW.
I did once have an issue with a Bluefin unit that when trying to switch back to stock (for no reason other than I was messing about on my driveway) it 'killed' the car which would not turn over - this turned out to be a school boy error on Superchips behalf who had uploaded the incorrect originl map onto the unit from someone elses car, Superchips were not contactable as it was the weekend but I called out a local independant who happens to be a Revo delaer and he used Revo recovery software to re-install a standard map at a cost of £50.
It was at this point I switched allegance and had Revo installed but to be fair to SC this was my first issue over 6 cars they mapped for me.
My point is that I don't belive that delaers go looking for remap evidence or are particularly bothered so long as they can claim back the costs for warranty work, if you use your head, any fault encountered that is obviously linked to the remap just visit an indepnedant for this particular query.
I actually think its a crime not to have at least a stage 1 and enjoy the car how it should have left the factory, they drive so much better and mpg is definetly improved.
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My point is that I don't belive that delaers go looking for remap evidence or are particularly bothered so long as they can claim back the costs for warranty work, if you use your head, any fault encountered that is obviously linked to the remap just visit an indepnedant for this particular query.
I actually think its a crime not to have at least a stage 1 and enjoy the car how it should have left the factory, they drive so much better and mpg is definetly improved.
I think this is a very good point... Dealers are getting more work and getting paid for carrying out the work.
Mine went in for a new engine and not a single question was asked, they were happy to just get on with the work. I would imagine the only issue would be if VW wanted more details on the actual car itself to dig a little deeper.
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I would imagine the only issue would be if VW wanted more details on the actual car itself to dig a little deeper.
Yes, I'd have to agree with that. If your car displayed lots of signs of modifications that would sound warning bells to a technician and more importantly a warranty manager then you may run into issues if they dug deep into the car's brain to check for maps (which from my understanding isn't as involved as you may think as there are certain physical parameters that can be checked without fully examining the software, simple things like requested boost and injection/fueling/ignition).
I've had about ten remaps from various companies and have friends that have had maps from different ones again. There are only two mobile tuners that buy in their maps from overseas that I've encountered any problems with and they aren't active forum people on here.
I've never had any isses with taking a mapped VW/SEAT/Skoda in for servicing and have never had any warranty issues with an engine that even needed looking at. Touch Wood!!!
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The easiest way to spot a remapped car is to drive one! Once my map was on I could tell the car was more eager from simply driving forward 3m and then in reverse for 3m to turn it around. It wanted to be driven much faster :evil:
HOwever with the revo std map back on there you wouldnt be able to tell at all. As for the flash counter, VW reflashed my car when it went in as it was due and update (for some reason or another). I would imagine the flash counter simply counts how times it has been flashed, which could be a few due to VW updates etc.
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The easiest way to spot a remapped car is to drive one!
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The easiest way to spot a remapped car is to drive one!
:wink:
Unless its my current boss :lipsrsealed: :laugh: :laugh:
I'll upset him next week :evil:
Back on topic - cars break down in standard form, a remap simply takes the car to level they should leave the factory :smiley: If you're worried about losing your warranty then there is a simple solution; don't remap!!
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The easiest way to spot a remapped car is to drive one!
:wink:
Unless its my current boss :lipsrsealed: :laugh: :laugh:
I'll upset him next week :evil:
Back on topic - cars break down in standard form, a remap simply takes the car to level they should leave the factory :smiley: If you're worried about losing your warranty then there is a simple solution; don't remap!!
Back on topic - cars break down in standard form, a remap simply takes the car to level they should leave the factory If you're worried about losing your warranty then there is a simple solution; don't remap!!
That quote sums it all up. :grin:
If your worried then ask you dealer even before you get a remap, if they give you the green light then all is good, if you red the red light then wait until you warranty period is over.