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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Golf mk2 gallery => Topic started by: mk2addict on 18 October 2011, 21:45
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Started strippin the 8v tonight ready for an abf gunna take my time as the car is off the rd, going to get everything just how I want it. Any advice,tips on tricky bits would be good:-) IM(http://) IMG00076-20111019-1812 all pictures at at the end of the thread
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Take lots of pics for the Janet and John Brigade on here.
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Did mine a couple of years ago now . Managed to get hold of a seat Toledo which has the abf lump. Then just bolted the entire subframe with the engine still attached. Are you going to be running the digi management. New Ecu etc
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Running the digi, ecu from the ibiza I'm gunna get the engine out of. Want to polish port the head before it all goes in goin to have a 4branch stainless manifold. I really want atleast 170+bhp I'll cam it aswell
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Stainless fanimoulds don't fit mk2 abf's, and digis don't like aftermarket cams.
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Was hoping to do mine soon but havent got all the bits due to money and work etc.
Anyone tell me roughly where to get the lamda welded on the downpipe? I bought another so i can get it done beforehand but its bit hard to guess with out lining it up on the car plus im not sure if it needs to be certain distance from the manifold.
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ive got a 4-1 stainless and it fits :smiley: you need to weld the lambda where it can preferably sample all 4 ports. I got the lamba boss off ebay and welded it on
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Any chance of a pic? would put my mind at rest if i knew what the wire colours or plug on the lamda looked like aswell. Stripped the loom but have been worrying about which plug it is or if i still have it.
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R u sayin u can't get a stainless exaust manifold to fit abf? Taking my time so advice on what works best would be good
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Must be a stainless manifold that'll fit abf? I'm takin my time, this is the first time I've done an engine swap so any advice on what works and doesnt would be good. How fasy r ure abf's what cars can u keep up with?
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People have said 6.5 seconds to 60 does that sound about right? If so happy days:-)
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Think that figure is for k jet abf. Not 100% though.
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My abf kjet makes 159.5 bhp. Thatll do corsa vxr's, any type of saxo, bmw 118's, 318 320 325 and just do a 328, fabia vrs's, can match a scirocco tsi to 110 ish, will ruin mk4 gti's, had an old focus rs CREEP past me the other day, it only jus managed to get past. However some modern metal like a merc c350 cdi will bust me up!! Wring every last bit out the engine and you'll be alright. Don't stir the cogs and drive it properly and you may come unstuck..
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Must be a stainless manifold that'll fit abf? I'm takin my time, this is the first time I've done an engine swap so any advice on what works and doesnt would be good. How fasy r ure abf's what cars can u keep up with?
And you're on the IOW.
If you want to come round one evening you're welcome to check out my silver shed, which is ABFed.
I'm normally at my workshop Thursday evenings. PM me if you want to hook up/talk stuff through.
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Sounds awesome can't wait to get in a mk2 that shift, I've takin all the front end off ready to take the engine out on saturday, unplugd and labelled all electrics all goin good
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Must be a stainless manifold that'll fit abf? I'm takin my time, this is the first time I've done an engine swap so any advice on what works and doesnt would be good. How fasy r ure abf's what cars can u keep up with?
And you're on the IOW.
If you want to come round one evening you're welcome to check out my silver shed, which is ABFed.
I'm normally at my workshop Thursday evenings. PM me if you want to hook up/talk stuff through.
Id like to check out the ABF syncro :cool:
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The 8v is out:) bit heavy doin it on me tod but got it out fairly easy I wanna clean up the bay so any tips?
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Did you just take off the whole front end mate, got an abf sitting here waiting to fitted, just havn't had time yet! Mines going to running like 175bhp with probably 160ish lb torque, going to be an animal!
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Yea have the whole front end off had to leave the manifold on as it wouldn't come off lol so jack the engine up so the downpipe cleard the steerin rack and pulled the engine and pushd the car bk to get it out.what have u had done to ures to get 175 out of it? That's the kinda numbers I want
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ahh right lol It's on megasquirt mate, stand alone ecu. All in all you could fit it and map it for around £500-600.
Don't know if it'll have that figure, but a few abf's on megasquirt have had them figures, but it's the extra torque it gives what makes it good ie increased everywhere across the rev range, not just top end with it taken from the bottom. The bloke said it's very nippy atm and it hasn't been mapped on a dyno yet :laugh: R-tech do a fully mapped service, everything to make it work for £280 which is cheap considering I've had quotes of £120/hour to just a wot pull on the dyno!
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I have tsr performance close to me so I might give them a call see what they suggest they do rollin road tunin for 80quid an hour.
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Sounds good mate. Not trying to sell you nothing or advising just as I've got one for sell, but if you do go down that route I've got an ecu for sale, with a my the map from my new engine on it just made safer, so only needs a tweak advanced and leaner fuelling etc.
Got it built last year for £350 but never ran the car on it, well did but it's a long story. I'd sell it it for £150.
Isn't head porting like £400+ anyway?
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Yea its loads I was hopeion to get it done chgeaper but strugglin , I don't think u can widen the diamator of the valves on the abf or anything so don't know what ill gain probs only a few bhp, ill probably just match the inlet manifold and and exaust manifold to the throotle body block and that to get a bit beytter flow.try that myself with a lil grinder I reckon.but ill see how my banks lookin at the time. I've gotta get new suspension and new roll bars all round so other things might take priority first which is a bit sh!t
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Yer get the chassis sorted to handle the power, Mine has just a standard 2.016v 9A and it aint slow at all! Yer I've heard head porting messes up the flow and can in cases reduce torque!
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I'll see how things go I'm gunna get some sport dampers meant for a 16v mk2 to take the weight and stiffen it all up wiv some eibech roll bars I've already polybushed it so shoud be a lil go go kart.
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cleard the surface rust off the right inner panel battery tray and primed it with the rest of the right hand side of the engine bay. Gunna do the back of the engine bay on the weekend as gunna have to remove all the wiring out of the way to get a decent job dne.
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Better off doing some reading around the subject. Also I'd take DH up on his offer of a nosey at his ABF's syncro shed. Probably learn more in a few hours than weeks trawling the web.
You can however pick up an ebay chip which improves the feel for not much. Before porting the head I'd look to sorting induction path and exhaust, nothing extreme so as not to ruin it. If you're not moving the air your engine won't make the power.
Would be cheaper to do the valves than port the head, but there again only if you have a friend in a machine shop.
But for the figures you're looking for standalone management looks good.
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Change of plan, its gettin a 20v turbo I'm feelin brave:-).
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Second thoughts abf it is think for my first swap it'll be perfect then save up for a turbo later. Appreciatin all the help. I'm dwn I devon
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Sadly a bit of a hike to see an old shed on the Isle of Wight. :grin:
Whereabouts in Devon are you?
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lol yea bit out of my way.
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ordered all the new front end today gunna look stunnin i think,the car is silver and ive ordered all crystal smoked head,fog lights and indicators also got a new grill to tidy it all up, and sum door trims have finally cum onebay which imdetermined to get asmine has been, missin since the car got a respray.
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also a abf engine has came on ebay which looks like agd buy but its way up north which could be aproblem but its worth alook.
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i looked at mk3 gti specs and they said 0-60 in 8secs im hopein the tin can that is the mk2 is agd second faster than that else i'll be very dissapointed, people on here have said high 6 seconds to60. so i'll keep the faith and beileve you.lol
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If you know how to drive, a kjet abf is pretty swift. There's loads of cars it'll wank over, but you will come unstuck from time to time with some surprisingly quick modern cars. Or mk2's with tuned 20vt's...
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If you know how to drive, a kjet abf is pretty swift. There's loads of cars it'll wank over, but you will come unstuck from time to time with some surprisingly quick modern cars. Or mk2's with tuned 20vt's...
Then you just have to scuttle back to the workshop to create the daddy, 16vT :grin:
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Tidied all my engine bay up sprayed it all looks showroom condition real happy with it if I get the engine I'm tryin to get it should only be a coupke weeks till its in happydays.
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engine bay sprayd up lookin nice ,newbits arrivein every day for the mk2 costing me a fortune but i'll finally have my mk2 just how iwant it.
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got the abf engine gearbox cableshift setup pedal box all in ebay, sohopefully be here next week then abit of wrk to the engine and atidy up and put it in. im not goin to it like isaid i would but im pretty sure i'll be bord of the power in no time so will savin for all thebits to turbo the abf next year.
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savin for all thebits to turbo the abf next year.
A turbo ABF sounds wise...
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is it a carrado pedal box you got or just a mk3 pedal box?
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Just a mk3 pedal box with hydrolic clutch it'll fit won't it?
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Just a mk3 pedal box with hydrolic clutch it'll fit won't it?
i dont think it will m8 tbh
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Y not? I think it does I'll see when it comes if not ill stick wiv the rod shift box and 020 box
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Ah, yes I can't remember why but I don't think it will fit. You could always try and prove us all wrong but I think you'll need either a corrado/ passat or maybe a SEAT setup?
Depends what you want, I've opted to bypass the ballache of hydro and bleeding clutches by getting a SEAT setup. Bolt on bit means you can keep your pedal box, but run hydro box but use a cable actuator. :cool:
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Ah, yes I can't remember why but I don't think it will fit. You could always try and prove us all wrong but I think you'll need either a corrado/ passat or maybe a SEAT setup?
Depends what you want, I've opted to bypass the ballache of hydro and bleeding clutches by getting a SEAT setup. Bolt on bit means you can keep your pedal box, but run hydro box but use a cable actuator. :cool:
+1 on this, this is how im going just need to source cable clutch parts :wink:
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Avgot the carrado pedal box that am usin wen i find my new g/b
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from memory u can make them fit but its not that easy as every one else has said go for the corrado /passat/seat
all i done in mine was used a mk3 8v box so all rod change and easy to fit clutch cable and running the lighter 8v flywheel
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Ok cool the guy I bought the engine off has just said the pedal box is no good so which pedal box is best to go for?
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Carrodo or passat if your keepin hydro setup
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got the engine started strippin cleaing and painting it also ordered my corrado pedal box and got a decat pipe and the abf loom should come this week so should get all those in this ween not the engine i mean pedal box and loom, i want a 4 branch manifold for it ive seen one on ebay for a mk3 will that fit? also any advice on the loom will be good hopefully itll plub straight into the fuse box?
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From what I've read you need a tsr tall block manifold as the mk3 one hits the chassis could probably solve with a bit of hammering but I'm saving for a tsr one..
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From what I've read you need a tsr tall block manifold as the mk3 one hits the chassis could probably solve with a bit of hammering but I'm saving for a tsr one..
I've read similar somewhere....
I think you can leave your fusebox in with your lighting looms in etc and just swap out the engine looms.
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Yea had a look on tsr last night 300 smackers tho, but if it fits right its all good, that's what I'm hopein loom straight out and in but probs won't be that easy.
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Its only slight modifications to the loom I think. Mostly plug an play though
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What kinda slight modification?lol
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That I don't know. Just know about ecu needs deimobalIzing. Loom stuff am not sure
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either need to carry ecu, loom, immobiliser and chip.. or just ecu and loom and delete the immob on ecu for about £55-60..
I got my loom done by a member on here for £100 so it was the right length to reach the places it needs to and was done properly as wiring can be tedious.. all you need is ABF engine loom and mk2 lighting loom as mk3 one wont fit iirc..
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I have ecu transponder key and immobiliser:-) and abf loom on the pedal box should be here by the weekend so a lot is gunna happen this week
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yer so all you need to keep is the mk2 lighting loom.. The mk3 ecu wires need lengthening aswell iirc to fit in the standard mk2 place and a seat cradle as mk2 and mk3 one dont fit
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Oh does need lengthenin bit guttin think it'll be here by the weekend so I'll have a look then
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i believe so as you have to thread the wires through the middle of scuttle panel bit and mk3 you dont iirc.. im not 100% trial fit on your car :smiley:
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Yea ill try and fit it and see
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im useing the 02a geabox with cable shift and hydrolic clutch, it obviously has an electric speedo sensor, this isnt gunna wrk onmy mk2 clocks is it?
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Theress a part u get. Strange lookin cable av got one, if I want keepin it ide sell It
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were can iget one from,what does it look like, im guessin icant use themk2 sendor
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Think the mk2 sender may fit mate
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Al take a picture tomorow for u mate
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Unscrew the electronic sender from the top of the gearbox and screw on a mechanical drive cable from a really early B3 Passat. You will probably be into VW parts for this and I suspect the part number is somewhere in the Golf2 section.
Not sure whether the ratio in the standard clocks is right. I know I went through a couple of different clocks before I got the right speedo. :grin:
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Loom and pedal box have come so try and get them in this weekend got my old pedal box out today gettin the steering column out is a pain in the ass , but hopefully the new box will go in easier. Um try and tackle the loom Finnish Gunna be fun but its all gd gettin closer to gettin my engine in and all my new shiney bits on my car can't wait
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And nine pages in, and still no pics! :rolleyes: Get some posted now!!!
I'd say good work so far, but we have no evidence yet! :grin:
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I've been tryin to load pics and I can't it annoyin me big time
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make an account with photobucket. Upload pics to it, then go into your album. Hover over the pic, and it will give you 4 links underneath it. Left click on the bottom link and it will copy it, then paste it into your post. :smiley:
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pedal box went in easy whichis a relief.but the mk3 master cyinder clutch setup doesnt meet the corrado pedal. its to far left by 10mm ispec. do i weld a bit on the side?
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I don't understand what u mean mine had mk3 sh!t that went straight in
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I was told the mk3 pedals wouldn't fit so got a corrado box and had the master cylinder off a mk3, the pedals are all in and so the master cylinder on the rod cummin off the master cylinder theirs a plastic joint which look like the pedal I ment to slot staight into it but my pedal is 10mm left of the cylider
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Yeh the carrado pedal box bolts straight in. Have you tried turning the master cylinder round 180 degrees. Seen if the rods straight?
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Yea the rods straight, I've read people sayin they've had to modify there clutch pedal before its weird tho ud think it line straight up
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Bent a lil bit of metal to weld on the side of my clutch pedal so it meets the master cylinder. Tonight I modded my old ecu holder to fit the new one works a treat:-)the loom is scarin me I won't lie, the mk3 loom comes with two round sockets one for the engine obviously and assumin one for the lights,obviously I don't need the lights so do I match up the looms so there's the same sockets on the fusebox end as my original loom? Please say yes it is that simple lol
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Welded a lil bracket on my clutch pedal so its meets the master cylinder and its really not right the corrado master cylinder must be shorter then the mk3 and has to have a different connection to the clutch pedal so just gunna get a corrado master cyliinder
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Think this weekend is gunna be a busy one cable shoft to put in and then put engine in pkace and wrk out which bits of the loom I need then shell almost be ready to turn the key.lookin forward to gettin it done ythen I'm buyin another abf engine puttin it in the shed and gunna rebuild the whole thing for a turbo then swap it over boom need a project for next year don't I wish I had space for another car would love to build one from the ground up
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AND SHE STARTS ha been a while had a few months off lack of money and miss's missing me aperently haha but back to me first love now haha. Bought a chip that gets rid of the immobliser so simple 3 wires easy as that. Need lamba sensor and to properly sort the exaust before I run her properly.
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Good news mate.. pics ?? and where you get that immob thing ??
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Pics coin asap. A garage I know ordered it for me they specialise in vag vehicle electrics www.TVEuk.com is the website the numbers on there litually its a chip 3 wires ignition live,ground and k line I think its called which is grey and white wire with brown plug join it up and it started up after joining a stray aftermarket immobliser to ignition live in my case anyway.
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as I'm getting close to putting the car back on the road, hu do I need to tell about the new engine obviously insurance but anyone else to make it lagit so if I get pulled over I don't have to worry bout them searching round the car
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Give up trying to upload pics doesn't wrk grrrr
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as I'm getting close to putting the car back on the road, hu do I need to tell about the new engine obviously insurance but anyone else to make it lagit so if I get pulled over I don't have to worry bout them searching round the car
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/ChangesToYourRegistrationCertificate/DG_4022054
HTH's
Pic's or it never happened :wink:
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Yea had a look at what I've gotta do to register the changes seems uncomfotably official lol.and I can't get pictures up I must be being special.
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Photo bucket, upload, img code cut paste into reply box. Bob is your Mothers brother :wink:
V5C is the bit of paper you need.
this may also be of use to you
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199
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(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j475/mk2addict/golf.jpg) car before i started the transplant
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(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j475/mk2addict/th_golf064.jpg) after the first evening after work off takin it to bits
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after the first satuday engine out piece of cake really had no crane or anything but a jack so rolled the car back as i puled the engine on a hardcore drive good times lol
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(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j475/mk2addict/th_golf067.jpg) engine out all wires labeled and sealed at this point i still planned to use digifant management until i realised how stupid that would be
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car after i cleaned and resprayed the engine bay as it was still the original blue the car used to be
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(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j475/mk2addict/th_golf071.jpg) at this point im sh!tting myself wondering what the hell im doin tearing apart a wire loom but all came good in the end be brave take chances lol
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car in the origimal colour and state
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inlet manifold and rocker cover painted
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yep used a crate a jack and my back to get the abf lump in place easy enough this is after i had fitted the corrado pedal box hydrolic cluth and cable shift sorry no pics off that process but not hard by any means just pantients pedal box is by far the trickiest bit of this conversion i thought
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engine in not running loom in toyd with the idea off blue wheels wasnt a massive fan so ive gone with a dark metalic grey as i cant afford new deep dish lik id like atm im sprayin old seat ibiza gti wheels
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(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j475/mk2addict/th_IMG00186-20120318-1706.jpg) recaro seats out of a proton gti believe it or not, this is how the car is now running but not on the road waiting for a lambda sensor and a coupler to join the exaust properly then have to spray the piece of body work under th headlights silver to match the car and spend 4 ad a half hours on strippin and spraying 3 more wheels before its completed. very happy with the way its turned out and considering im a 22yr old plumber it hasnt been to difficult tbf taken a fair while tho but if you get all the bits you need and dont do it during freezing conditions lol i dont think it take to long. thats abf loom,management,gearbox,hydrolic cluth,engine,cableshift all done by my own two hand.lol proud :grin:haha. hmm dreaming of abf trbo by the end of this year now next project please.lol
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fans?
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Good effort well done :cool:
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Took her up the road today put a massive smile on my face just even pullin through low revs as I didn't have any brake because they have been unused for 5months. But the revs were climbing fast at half throttle proper excited about opening her up properly exspecting good things
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Took her up the road today put a massive smile on my face just even pullin through low revs as I didn't have any brake because they have been unused for 5months. But the revs were climbing fast at half throttle proper excited about opening her up properly exspecting good things
Nice effort, you must be very pleased indeed..... What's with the postage stamp images though????
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Yea not sure what happened with the images, ill try and put bigger ones on sometime
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Yea not sure what happened with the images, ill try and put bigger ones on sometime
That would be good as it looks like a nice car. :cool:
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Yea not sure what happened with the images, ill try and put bigger ones on sometime
That would be good as it looks like a nice car. :cool:
+1 to that!
Good work :afro:
I'm gunna be doing the same to a Jetta so might have some questions for ya! :smiley:
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Thanks glad u think so:-) still got plans for it. Happy to help loads of people on here help me out
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had an issue the car wouldn't rev past 1500rpm, talk a while to think it through, it wasn't getting enough fuel but it would idle so after lookin at it for a day or two lol I checked the wiring to the throttle position switch, which had gone britll and crack so were shortin and tellin the ecu the throttle hadn't moved so wasn't giving the engine any more fuel, so rejoined them and its now running fine for the first time :-) now just to mot
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Good save :wink:
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Which part do I need to buy for my speedo on the 02a mechanical sendor? I've got a part number but that's for the whole kit and its 60 quid so not getting that ha.its from a 1992 passat