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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Exonian on 16 October 2011, 17:23
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Yes! It's your lucky day/week/month; another pointless poll has arrived and has probably been done before (but I can't remember it as it is such a dull subject).
ACC - Got it? Want it? Hate it?
To my eyes the standard suspension is quite a good blend and only women or blokes with bony bottoms (watch the seats if you're buying a second hand car with it!!) would spend money on it.
But I've never tried a car with it on so I thought I'd throw it to the lions instead; what is everyone's opinion on ACC?
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Std works fine for me - less to mess about with! :laugh:
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£800 is a snowboarding Holiday, I'll take the snow please, that is far more fun than 4 years with a slightly nicer / variable ride!
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I didn't order it and I wouldn't pay for it - although I did :grin:
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£800 is a snowboarding Holiday, I'll take the snow please, that is far more fun than 4 years with a slightly nicer / variable ride!
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I always wished i had it until i dropped the tyre presuures down to 36psi (same as the mk5), now im reasonably happy, some days i still wish i had ACC and some days im happy without it.
Yesterday was the first time i have traveled in mine were i was not the driver (Scary moments) and i was suprised how good the ride was with 3 adults in it. For some reason a cars ride always feels different to me depending on if im the driver or a passenger.
The poll answers are a bit misleading as even if you leave ACC in normal its still always working so the only way to work out if you would want it or not is to sample cars with and without it.
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Where ignorance is bliss 'tis folly to be wise
ACC is amazing especially with 18"+ wheels. :smug:
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Tis the one thing I really wish for on my Gtd, (apart from an easy/quick/re-programmable ECU upgrade that doesn't involve removal or destruction of the DPF :rolleyes:) having to drive close relatives with back/hip problems (and a wheelchair!) on a regular basis and see them wince when driven over - even slightly - rough surfaces I cringe :sad:
I've seriously though about Koni FSD's but it's a lot of dosh to shell out without *really* knowing if the ride would be improved or just 'similar' to standard.
I've realised that with the car fully laden. ie. 3 passengers, the ride is a lot less harsh that with just the driver and/or 1 passenger..... so perhaps a boot full of bricks would sort it?
Having said all that, I do enjoy a 'spirited' ride and always come home from a quick blatt by myself (OoooH Errr Missis!) with a smile on my face :laugh:
So where do I vote???...... I don't see a 'Haven't got it, wish I did' button'y type thing to press?!? :undecided:
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Tis the one thing I really wish for on my Gtd, (apart from an easy/quick/re-programmable ECU upgrade that doesn't destroy the DPF :rolleyes:) having to drive close relatives with back/hip problems (and a wheelchair!) on a regular basis and see them wince when driven over - even slightly - rough surfaces I cringe :sad:
I've seriously though about Koni FSD's but it's a lot of dosh to shell out without *really* knowing if the ride would be improved or just 'similar' to standard.
I've realised that with the car fully laden. ie. 3 passengers, the ride is a lot less harsh that with just the driver and/or 1 passenger..... so perhaps a boot full of bricks would sort it?
Having said all that, I do enjoy a 'spirited' ride and always come home from a quick blatt by myself (OoooH Errr Missis!) with a smile on my face :laugh:
So where do I vote???...... I don't see a 'Haven't got it, wish I did' button'y type thing to press?!? :undecided:
Unfortunately, you won't be able to as the poll is heavily biased towards the anti-ACC brigade and for those who don't have it. So as the OP has said himself, it is pretty pointless.
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^^ I wouldnt call it pointless. It's just more for the merc/jag users coming into a GTI. They see the badge and history, think that looks nice, then when they drive it and find its a 'little sporty' for their liking.
So the salesman shows them the magic acc. They leave £800 or so down, sales man grins in disbelief, bob's your uncle, fanny's aunt, everyones a winner!! :laugh:
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i think the ride on the standard GTI is superb so for me the £800 would be better spent on some other goodies.
this thing glides over bumps which my 197 cup would have to go right around to avoid - it was so harsh (but did handle MILES better than the golf.)
i have read lots of reviews which say in comfort mode the ACC is excellent but for me its not needed at all - as long as the sport mode isn't any 'sportier' than the non ACC car?!
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^^ I wouldnt call it pointless. It's just more for the merc/jag users coming into a GTI. They see the badge and history, think that looks nice, then when they drive it and find its a 'little sporty' for their liking.
So the salesman shows them the magic acc. They leave £800 or so down, sales man grins in disbelief, bob's your uncle, fanny's aunt, everyones a winner!! :laugh:
Your gibberish has nothing to do with this poll being biased or not.
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^^ I wouldnt call it pointless. It's just more for the merc/jag users coming into a GTI. They see the badge and history, think that looks nice, then when they drive it and find its a 'little sporty' for their liking.
So the salesman shows them the magic acc. They leave £800 or so down, sales man grins in disbelief, bob's your uncle, fanny's aunt, everyones a winner!! :laugh:
Your gibberish has nothing to do with this poll being biased or not.
who said anything about the poll being biased?? :rolleyes:
My point was (which you obviously missed) roll back a few years and tell any hot hatch owner he could have soft suspension for his/hers GTI and you would simply be laughed at.
Its simply not a requirement on a hot hatch :wink:
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As it is heavily biased, and in the words of the OP, is pointless.
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I only had 5 options and ran out of room for 'wish I had it'. :smiley:
It is just a pointless poll like all the others though, just for a bit of fun. Anyone who takes these car things too seriously has other issues, and I'm no doctor.
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It's a bit naughty that the Scirroco got ACC standard while I had to pay extra for it.
My car got the standrad 17s and I tends to leave my car on Comfort. When I put my winter tyres on, it rides fantastically well for a hot hatch.
I am not sure I will go for this option again. But if I got 18s wheels and need to carry fat passengers around, I think ACC is a good option!
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I've got a GT TDI with 18" wheels, my brother-in-law has a GTI with 18" wheels. Neither have ACC, and to to me, both ride perfectly acceptablely on our give and take country roads, where the real spirited GTI driving takes place.
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My point was (which you obviously missed) roll back a few years and tell any hot hatch owner he could have soft suspension for his/hers GTI and you would simply be laughed at.
Its simply not a requirement on a hot hatch :wink:
If you had missed the GTI tag out of that reply i would have agreed with you 100% but the mk1, mk2 mk3, mk4 and mk5 golf GTI's all ride softer than the mk6. The GTI was always the best alrounder so alot softer than other hothatches.
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i had my car for a 100 mile blast through some twisty roads by mine which are REALLY bumpy (blanch land/slayley/derwent reservoir)
seriously this car rides beautifully.
on the same roads my 197 was absolute torture. wheels off the ground, bump steering, arse and testicle crushing.
the GTI is sooo much more composed over rougher roads. on smooth roads or a track the clio would murder the golf but on UK B roads this thing is fantastic
if anyone thinks that the ride is too harsh on a GTI then they should have done with it and give up on hot hatches. i really can't fault the standard set up.
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Tricky vote this one. It's certainly good- but in "normal" the car rides really, really well. So well that I rarely switch to anything else! "comfort" is great for farm tracks, but way too squidgey for anything else. I love the heavier steering in "sport" but the ride's a bit hard for normal roads - best reserved for the A1 late at night...)
Could I live without it - probably - but then it's not about being sensible
In future it'll presumably drop the ride height to match the stiffer damping ... Would that tempt the doubters?
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My point was (which you obviously missed) roll back a few years and tell any hot hatch owner he could have soft suspension for his/hers GTI and you would simply be laughed at.
Its simply not a requirement on a hot hatch :wink:
If you had missed the GTI tag out of that reply i would have agreed with you 100% but the mk1, mk2 mk3, mk4 and mk5 golf GTI's all ride softer than the mk6. The GTI was always the best alrounder so alot softer than other hothatches.
I would have agreed with you if you had left the mk5 out of that list. I think anyone would struggle to tell the difference between the ride of a mk5 or mk6.
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I would have agreed with you if you had left the mk5 out of that list. I think anyone would struggle to tell the difference between the ride of a mk5 or mk6.
I can, we owned one for 5 years but maybe it was worn so when i was looking at the mk6 i went and test drove a brand new mk5 pirelli back to back with the mk6, both with 18s on and even the same tyre make and model and i felt a difference between them. To see if it was just me i asked on tyresmoke.net a lad who had helped me out many times and worked at a VW dealer (Matt R) and he agreed with me as he did the same test with a new stock normal mk5 GTI they had in and a new mk6 GTI.
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does anyone know if the ACC in the 'sport' mode is stiffer or sharper etc than the standard GTI suspension?
is ACC in 'normal' standard GTI setting and 'sport' stiffer still?
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does anyone know if the ACC in the 'sport' mode is stiffer or sharper etc than the standard GTI suspension?
is ACC in 'normal' standard GTI setting and 'sport' stiffer still?
Normal is different to standard suspension as its constantly adjusting the damping rate depending on the sensors inputs unlike standard suspension.
Sport in general is stiffer at its base point level.
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Didn't spec it as took x2 test drives in one with and one without and struggled to see much of a difference with the comfort mode vs a car without ACC. But.... looking back for the £750 - odd pounds at the time of the order in 2010 I should have ordered it as I love gadgets and in relation to the over all cost of the car it's not that much.
Also think we're missing some options on the vote - didn't opt for ACC but which I had.
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I was told and maybe it was just then imprinted in my brain but i thought i noticed a difference in the ride quality of a car with ACC on after it got a few miles under its belt ~1000-2K compared when it was brand spanking.
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Once the car's suspension settles down after around 3000 miles, having ACC really is a boon. Whichever mode is selected, it takes a really bad ditch in the road to make the suspension crash. This is something standard suspension cannot achieve.
But if you don't have ACC, you'll be none the wiser.
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I would have agreed with you if you had left the mk5 out of that list. I think anyone would struggle to tell the difference between the ride of a mk5 or mk6.
I can, we owned one for 5 years but maybe it was worn so when i was looking at the mk6 i went and test drove a brand new mk5 pirelli back to back with the mk6, both with 18s on and even the same tyre make and model and i felt a difference between them. To see if it was just me i asked on tyresmoke.net a lad who had helped me out many times and worked at a VW dealer (Matt R) and he agreed with me as he did the same test with a new stock normal mk5 GTI they had in and a new mk6 GTI.
Do they not share the exact same suspension set up? and virtually exactly the same weight?
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Use it all the time, love the stiffer feel of the sport setting. It is almost the best money I spent on the car, but my reverse camera tops it.
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does anyone know if the ACC in the 'sport' mode is stiffer or sharper etc than the standard GTI suspension?
is ACC in 'normal' standard GTI setting and 'sport' stiffer still?
Yes, that's correct.
Sport is almost too stiff for the crappy roads - too stiff as in you spend too much time fighting tha car and end up slower...but on the right road, the Sport setting makes the steering more responsive too, and brings the tail into play far more readily.
Comfort is epic in the wet for making quick progress with less understeer...and superb on potholed city streets or in icy conditions.
Normally, Dynamic is very similar to the standard steel dampers...
People say GTI is spot on Standard...it's good, but not great, when coming from a car with truly superb damping control - it's a compromise - like most cars...however, ACC gives you 3 modes on compromise which makes it 3 times less compromised in my book.
I only wish I could have the Sport steering, in all modes.
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does anyone know if the ACC in the 'sport' mode is stiffer or sharper etc than the standard GTI suspension?
is ACC in 'normal' standard GTI setting and 'sport' stiffer still?
Yes, that's correct.
Sport is almost too stiff for the crappy roads - too stiff as in you spend too much time fighting tha car and end up slower...but on the right road, the Sport setting makes the steering more responsive too, and brings the tail into play far more readily.
Comfort is epic in the wet for making quick progress with less understeer...and superb on potholed city streets or in icy conditions.
Normally, Dynamic is very similar to the standard steel dampers...
People say GTI is spot on Standard...it's good, but not great, when coming from a car with truly superb damping control - it's a compromise - like most cars...however, ACC gives you 3 modes on compromise which makes it 3 times less compromised in my book.
I only wish I could have the Sport steering, in all modes.
Yes, Sport steering in Comfort and Normal modes would be ace.
Comfort mode + Sport steering = Heaven.
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Do they not share the exact same suspension set up? and virtually exactly the same weight?
No the spring and damper rates are different and the EA888 engine is much lighter than the older unit.
Im sure i remember reading a quote from Asker from the designer about this too with the % rate difference.
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Do they not share the exact same suspension set up? and virtually exactly the same weight?
No the spring and damper rates are different and the EA888 engine is much lighter than the older unit.
Im sure i remember reading a quote from Asker from the designer about this too with the % rate difference.
ahh yes of course the different engine would have made a difference. What is the weight difference between the mk5 and mk6 ???
I am pretty sure I read somewhere that the mk6 is slightly heavier :undecided:
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Rather have DSG over ACC any-day, Its okay but just drive round in it comfort mode all the time which defeats the object to me, would I spec it over xenons no I dont think so!! :cool:
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Rather have DSG over ACC any-day, Its okay but just drive round in it comfort mode all the time which defeats the object to me, would I spec it over xenons no I dont think so!! :cool:
Oh no...
ACC adds to the involvement...DSG takes it away. :tongue:
I wouldn't want to be without Xenons OR ACC.
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I have ACC on my Scirocco and I feel it makes a big difference. Most of the time I keep it in 'Sport' only using 'Comfort' or 'Normal' on long motorway journeys.
I will definately be spec'ing ACC on the Golf GTi I'm planning to buy
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ACC is amazing and makes the car more involving with its 3 different suspension modes and different steering responses.
Xenons are great to have, they look pretty and are used mainly at nighttime whereas ACC is useful/used day and night, i.e. whenever the car is driven!
As far as DSG is concerned, I found it most uninvolving and the downchanges were weird. It was not for me. ETTO and all that bull so that delicate feelings are kept unhurt.
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Okay, the poll was started as a bit of fun to follow on from the DSG one as I wanted to see whether this would also end up as WWIII or whether we could actually learn something about the day to day benefits of the system.
Some opinions of mine now; The price of ACC isn't far off that of a top notch aftermarket suspension kit. As a potential downside the ACC doesn't lower the car in Sport mode but it does come direct from the production line with the car and thus carries the full factory warranty.
I think I'd prefer it if it perhaps came in two modes: Comfort which is self explanatory, and Dynamic which would be a combination of Normal and Sport using the best of both features in that it monitored and adapted along with driving style but gave the sharper steering and throttle response all the time. With just two modes you'd spend less time fiddling with it to make sure you were in the optimum setting and thus could concentrate 100% on what's going on around you.
As a side note, I had Koni FSDs on my previous mk5 GTI. They supposedly gave a softish ride on rough roads and firmed up under load. They improved the comfort of my car dramatically BUT the car did tend to bounce off the bumpstops a bit when pressing on a bit on B roads.
For a couple of hundred quid extra ACC has the FSDs licked, as a retro fit I'd guess ACC would be prohibitively expensive.
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Just a quick note to add to this post.
Now that I've driven both the GTI on 18" wheels and GTD on 17" wheels my vote I'd divided.....
Basically the GTD is in normal mode 90% of the time and the ride is fine but the GTI is in comfort mode all the time as the normal is a little too hard for day to day driving but put the gtd into comfort mode and it feels very wafty / floaty indeed.
Summary:
Comfort
Gtd = Wafty / GTI = just right
Normal
Gtd = just right / GTI = a little firm
Sport
GTD & GTI too much and frankly makes the handling too bouncy on at the edge of the cars handling to be of any use IMHO plus point is that the steering feel improves a lot.
Summary for me is that I'd never pay for it again on a GTD with 17" wheels and I'd never opt for the 18s on a GTD for a number of reasons, but on a GTI it would be rude not to have the 18" wheels hence the ACC would be a must for me.
I wish I could fit it to Mrs Docs Tiguan R-line though :grin:
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glad i didnt have the option, all sounds abit 50/50 TO me
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Thanks Doc. I feel vindicated though with one caveat. I would still spec ACC with 17" wheels. But that's me as I rather like a floaty feel which can sometimes make some passengers car sick! :evil:
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Just a quick note to add to this post.
Now that I've driven both the GTI on 18" wheels and GTD on 17" wheels my vote I'd divided.....
Basically the GTD is in normal mode 90% of the time and the ride is fine but the GTI is in comfort mode all the time as the normal is a little too hard for day to day driving but put the gtd into comfort mode and it feels very wafty / floaty indeed.
Summary:
Comfort
Gtd = Wafty / GTI = just right
Normal
Gtd = just right / GTI = a little firm
Sport
GTD & GTI too much and frankly makes the handling too bouncy on at the edge of the cars handling to be of any use IMHO plus point is that the steering feel improves a lot.
Summary for me is that I'd never pay for it again on a GTD with 17" wheels and I'd never opt for the 18s on a GTD for a number of reasons, but on a GTI it would be rude not to have the 18" wheels hence the ACC would be a must for me.
I wish I could fit it to Mrs Docs Tiguan R-line though :grin:
Interesting Doc and thanks for the comparison between both models with ACC fitted..... I'd still like to see a comparison between an ACC model and a standard non ACC model, to see whereabouts the standard fits between the ACC modes.
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I have driven two GTIs on 18" wheels with and without ACC back to back. The ACC equipped car in 'normal' mode had a smoother ride and seemed, at least to me, handle better. In 'comfort' mode it was pretty near perfect. The non ACC equipped car was too jiggly for me and was not as enjoyable.
Therefore, I bought a GTI with ACC.
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Yes, that's correct.
Sport is almost too stiff for the crappy roads - too stiff as in you spend too much time fighting tha car and end up slower...but on the right road, the Sport setting makes the steering more responsive too, and brings the tail into play far more readily.
Comfort is epic in the wet for making quick progress with less understeer...and superb on potholed city streets or in icy conditions.
Normally, Dynamic is very similar to the standard steel dampers...
People say GTI is spot on Standard...it's good, but not great, when coming from a car with truly superb damping control - it's a compromise - like most cars...however, ACC gives you 3 modes on compromise which makes it 3 times less compromised in my book.
I only wish I could have the Sport steering, in all modes.
What he said ^^^^^^!!
I drive in sport most of the time as I love the feel of the steering, and the stiffness to fly round roundabouts without any jelly wobble!
The cost of ACC is a small % of the price of the car - and is definitely worth it in my opinion.