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General => General discussion => Topic started by: DubFan on 11 October 2011, 11:46
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My other half is struggling to get anywhere with learning in a manual, so may just switch to learning in an auto.
This means I'll have to put pride on the shelf and get an auto.
I hear that the DSG gearboxes are pretty good, but are they really good for fun driving?
Will probably be changing the car in the new year anyway, so I will most likely be looking at a replacement for our T-reg Audi A4 Avant.
So opinions on similar sized VAG DSG and auto cars appreciated.
(I'm thinking 2005-2008 year Mk5 Golf Estates, Passat Estates, Audi A4, etc)
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Very good boxes, you can "drive" them, i.e hold it in second and hack em round corners and that but IMO, still not the same.
You're always thinking "it can do this" "it will do that" not "I'LL do that".
Better then an auto, yes. They reckon they're quicker then the manual.
Perhaps I'm still like the toddler I was, playing in my toy car pretending I had a gearstick. I just like changing gears myself.
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Yeah, I think manual is still better. I'm sure I can decide better when to change gear, ie coming to a hill, or preparing to overtake.
Also, bearing in mind I'm looking for a secondhand (5-8yr old) car, how reliable are the DSG boxes, any more or less reliable than a normal auto or a manual?
I kinda assume that there's more to go wrong, because there's more to it than a straight set of cogs and a clutch.
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Can't comment on that too much but with all the DMF failures (on all marques I'll add, not just Vaxhell) we're seeing, I'm not too sure. :grin:
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I personally think if someone can't manage a manual box then they shouldn't be allowed on the road. Making decisions on the road and the other loonies aroudn takes more thinking than changing gear.
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I personally think if someone can't manage a manual box then they shouldn't be allowed on the road. Making decisions on the road and the other loonies aroudn takes more thinking than changing gear.
What if a disability prevents them from using a manual gearbox?
DSG boxes appear to be reliable pieces of kit provided they have been serviced at the correct intervals; approx 40,000 miles I believe
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I personally think if someone can't manage a manual box then they shouldn't be allowed on the road. Making decisions on the road and the other loonies aroudn takes more thinking than changing gear.
What if a disability prevents them from using a manual gearbox?
Completely different discussion.
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I personally think if someone can't manage a manual box then they shouldn't be allowed on the road. Making decisions on the road and the other loonies aroudn takes more thinking than changing gear.
What if a disability prevents them from using a manual gearbox?
Completely different discussion.
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I've driven both petrol and diesel DSG.
I've also been shotgun with Hurdy as he delivered an 8 minute lap in his DSG Golf5 GTI.
IMO they work better on diesel motors, as with (IIRC) seven gears the 'box can keep the motor in its sweet spot way more than a person with a 6-speed manual.
The flat-taps changes are simply epic and you will not replicate that rifle-bolt change quality with a manual 'box.
DSG also doesn't have the losses that conventional auto-boxes has.
BUT (and it's a big but if you're someone who wants to be 'involved' with the driving process) it is more like driving on a playstation, than a real car.
I didn't like it.
Personally I would only want a DSG with paddles on the wheel, otherwise you're just doing to put it in D and let it self-shuffle.
The Wife came to it squawking about not being able to drive an auto ( :rolleyes:) and now would quite like the next daily to be DSG.
I think there were some failures on the early mech-a-tronics on the first ones, but when I've spoken to my VAG-tech mate he's not gone on about how cra-p they are.
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Majority of DSG boxes have 6 speeds; the 7 speed boxes are found in the newer, lower powered models :nerd:
As DH has said, DSG is not for everyone. Have as long a test drive as possible or even take advantage of when dealers off weekend test drives to fully get the hang of it
I've driven Doc's GTD' DSG motor and to me it was quite alien. I only had a short test drive but it is an impressive piece of kit. Launch control is fun too :evil:
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Majority of DSG boxes have 6 speeds; the 7 speed boxes are found in the newer, lower powered models :nerd:
H'mmmm - Skoda doesn't say which DSG box the Superb 2.0 TDI has in it. I suspect 6-speed, as it mentions the 1.8 petrol has a seven speed. :nerd:
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it is more like driving on a playstation, than a real car.
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it is more like driving on a playstation, than a real car.
Is that your +1 equivalent?
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Having driven both a dsg + manual R32 I have to say the DSG wasnt such a great combo with the V6. Far too quick to change up in auto mode and didnt allow you to hold the gears long enough in auto mode.
Yes, you could always switch to manual mode, but then what is the point??
In the GTI I had the DSG was much better suited to the turbo'd engine. Very quick to find the power when required, but also a little bit hesitant in stop start traffic.
In all honesty it boils down to what you want the car for. Sitting on motorway, lots of town/traffic driving then go for the dsg. If like me you get to have a nice blast every now and then (i.e. fun) then I would chose manual everyday :cool:
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it is more like driving on a playstation, than a real car.
Is that your +1 equivalent?
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My car is on 136k with dsg 2.0 tdi 140.. Neverhad a problem from lpoking at all the history with the car..
It doesn't like traffic fact it's just wierd as it can sometimes be smooth and others jump forward..
Sport.. Kickdown.. And paddles are all fun but I've rarely used them tbh.. But I don't have a powerful car that might be the reason..
If they are looked after they are great but not really my thing maybe I'm too young for a diesel auto ?
If you have any questions fire away :smiley:
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My car is on 136k with dsg 2.0 tdi 140.. Neverhad a problem from lpoking at all the history with the car..
It doesn't like traffic fact it's just wierd as it can sometimes be smooth and others jump forward..
Sport.. Kickdown.. And paddles are all fun but I've rarely used them tbh.. But I don't have a powerful car that might be the reason..
If they are looked after they are great but not really my thing maybe I'm too young for a diesel auto ?
If you have any questions fire away :smiley:
If it's jumping into gear sign of low oil pressure which most common is low oil. Well that applies to automatics so I assume it's the same for the DSG, get it checked out before it breaks.
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Its not jumping into gear its already in gear lol It just doesnt like traffic my mates a3 does the same..
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Oh right. :smiley:
Actually I know what you mean, had two M5's in recently and they were the same, spun up the wheels on the gravel.
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I have just bought my 4th DSG equipped car and I love them.....with one proviso, I have the DSG box remapped so I can have it locked into gear in manual mode. The remap does several other neat little modifications to how the box operates and not one of them have I found to make the box worse. I have just bought a new 7 speed Polo GTI and already have the engine mapped. Software has just come out to have the DSG mapped too and so I will be having this done shortly. Overall the DSG box is a technological tour de force, which many other car makers have jumped onto the bandwagon with, Nissan GTR, Ferrari 458, Porshe, BMW, to name just a few. Some don't get on with the DSG but I love them. :cool: