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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Chris. on 10 October 2011, 19:33

Title: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Chris. on 10 October 2011, 19:33
Hi

Does anyone know what the BARE minimum you need to get a AGU engine running?  ECU will be de-immobilised.

Plan to put a AGU engine into a clio MK2 172 and getting everything in is straight forward, just need to know what wires effectively are needed to get it to run and have working speedo/rev counter.

Ive thought of:

speedo
ignition sense
rev counter
coolant temp

I ahve a feeling these wires go through the 3 plugs under the wiper motor so shouldnt be too much hassle to get to to put into a clio loom.

Just need some more information really.

Chris
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: tech1889 on 10 October 2011, 19:38
why you need bare minimum ??

your going to need quite a few wires as its not an old engine so is a lot more complex and the 1.8t doesnt like running without certain sensors plugged in such as MAF.. Temp sensor.. Depending what engine you may need a MAP sensor wired in..

Let us know why bare minimum and we can work out the rest  :wink:
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Chris. on 10 October 2011, 19:39
Well maf sensor and all other sensors will be put on.

Just I basically need to know, what does the AGU ECU need to 'see' before it will run.  So effectively, splicing a clio loom into a 1.8T loom to get them working together.

Hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: tech1889 on 10 October 2011, 19:41
well your going to need the whole AGU engine loom atleast.. and then you can splice the clio headlight loom into that.. christ knows fuse box end.. but theres not a lot you cant plug in tbh..
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Chris. on 10 October 2011, 19:42
Got a AGU engine loom.

I have a feeling most the wires that are actually needed go throuhg the 3 plugs under the wiper motors.
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: RTechUK on 10 October 2011, 22:02
Hi

Does anyone know what the BARE minimum you need to get a AGU engine running?  ECU will be de-immobilised.

Plan to put a AGU engine into a clio MK2 172 and getting everything in is straight forward, just need to know what wires effectively are needed to get it to run and have working speedo/rev counter.

Ive thought of:

speedo
ignition sense
rev counter
coolant temp

I ahve a feeling these wires go through the 3 plugs under the wiper motor so shouldnt be too much hassle to get to to put into a clio loom.

Just need some more information really.

Chris

Qpeng :wink:
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Chris. on 10 October 2011, 22:03
In a clio?  Didnt know they did it?

Dont even think anyone has a 1.8T in a clio mk2 with OEM management?
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: RTechUK on 10 October 2011, 22:24
In a clio?  Didnt know they did it?

Dont even think anyone has a 1.8T in a clio mk2 with OEM management?

They dont do a setup fo rthe clio, they  do it fo the AGU engine with golf mk1/2/3 setups but at the end of the day its only an MBE ecu so you can get it to work with the Clio rev counter and ignition ect, just will a little extra effort and a few chopped wires.  Plus I have the CANbus MBE mapping leads and sw with around 10 mapswhich I have made over the last 18month. :wink:
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Chris. on 10 October 2011, 22:25
no idea what this MBE stuff is ha. 
You dont know what wires you need to get it in and running do you?

Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Wayne on 10 October 2011, 23:54
Your going to need the engine loom I think.

Have seen a few done however so it can be done.

 :smiley:
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Chris. on 10 October 2011, 23:59
Got 2 engine looms at our disposal.

Have a feeling its pretty easy tbh, especially with a de-immo ECU.   Just working out the fuel pump i think.

Also depends how well the clio clocks will take mk4 golf signals for the gauges :|
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Wayne on 11 October 2011, 00:01
Got 2 engine looms at our disposal.

Have a feeling its pretty easy tbh, especially with a de-immo ECU.   Just working out the fuel pump i think.

Also depends how well the clio clocks will take mk4 golf signals for the gauges :|

From memory the couple I have seen both had mk4 clocks fitted. :smiley:
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: RTechUK on 11 October 2011, 08:32
no idea what this MBE stuff is ha. 
You dont know what wires you need to get it in and running do you?



MBE ecu which qpeng use > http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Engine_Management_Systems/ECU/MBE_Information.htm

Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: tokemk4gti.t on 11 October 2011, 12:20
y would you want to???? :-/ golf looks better, drives better, better built and in general is just better :-D
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: MaXXeH on 11 October 2011, 12:31
just one of them things,  my mate at college back in the old days stuck honda engine in a mini metro :shocked:  it was never road leagal but bloody funny.
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Chris. on 11 October 2011, 18:28
Why do we want to?  Because we can ;)  and tbh, a clio does handle a lot better.  Its a fully stripped clio, some of you will probably recognise it thats all im saying on that.  But if you think of a GT28RS on a 1.8T in a 950kg maximum stipped out clio.  Even 300bhp will see over 315bhp per tonne and we hoping for over 300 minimum.  350 ideally.  368bhp per tonne.  HELLO!

We gonig to see what we can get running on a AGU ecu then work around that...we think speedo might be off ABS on the clio so thats a thing off mind and however rev counter wires up, but thats not really a concern with aftermarket available.
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: tshirt2k on 11 October 2011, 21:07
Get yourself an AGU wiring diagram and a Clio diagram. Match up the appropriate wires to the Clio. Shouldn't be that hard to match up. It's only powers and earths, be it permanent or switched lives. Then you can sort revs and speedo.
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Wayne on 11 October 2011, 21:13
Why do we want to?  Because we can ;)  and tbh, a clio does handle a lot better.  Its a fully stripped clio, some of you will probably recognise it thats all im saying on that.  But if you think of a GT28RS on a 1.8T in a 950kg maximum stipped out clio.  Even 300bhp will see over 315bhp per tonne and we hoping for over 300 minimum.  350 ideally.  368bhp per tonne.  HELLO!

We gonig to see what we can get running on a AGU ecu then work around that...we think speedo might be off ABS on the clio so thats a thing off mind and however rev counter wires up, but thats not really a concern with aftermarket available.


300bhp in a Clio  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: golf-sib on 11 October 2011, 21:58
Hell if this can be done to a KA, why not to a clio, end result is not BHP, but BHP per tonne.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBKChiLVdUE&NR=1

How you planning on keeping that clio tame with an AGU and no means of traction, that would be my only concern?

AGU 3.8.3 pin layout: http://vagner.jeje.je/filmer/john-arne.overby/18T/AGU%20ECU%20pinout%202.pdf
AGU Wiring: http://vagner.jeje.je/filmer/john-arne.overby/18T/Audi%20A3%20(1,8%20l%20litre%20fuel%20injection%20engine,%20110%20kW,%20Motronic,%204-cylinder)%20engine%20codes%20AGU.pdf
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Chris. on 11 October 2011, 22:06
Yup, will get there eventually!  Even if it just runs stock turbo for now for teething stuff.

Cant find a clio diagram anywhere.  Ive worked out the 20v loom tonight.
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: golf-sib on 11 October 2011, 22:36
may as well ditch any extra's like SAI, what you planning on doing regarding traction?
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Chris. on 11 October 2011, 22:37
No idea.  Its probably going to get a standard box in for now.
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: houston on 12 October 2011, 12:45
may as well ditch any extra's like SAI, what you planning on doing regarding traction?

agu, no sai, best traction control is right foot
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: RTechUK on 13 October 2011, 20:15
may as well ditch any extra's like SAI, what you planning on doing regarding traction?

agu, no sai, best traction control is right foot

+1   :grin:
Title: Re: Bare minimum to get a AGU 1.8T to run
Post by: Chris. on 13 October 2011, 20:42
I manage fine.  Unless the road is slippy, mine wont spin in 2nd at full throttle.  Map really helps!