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General => General discussion => Topic started by: bobotheclown on 16 August 2011, 11:12
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http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/sWCsuzB1opzHMDKVnQ_RbEg/view.m?id=15&gid=business/2011/aug/16/inflation-rail-season-tickets&cat=uk
Bound to go up as the companies will try it on. And it's goi g to be superbusy with the olympics. I see the government is trying to suggest thatcommuters should use their bikes and run to work or go in a bit later to avoid the crush.
Makes me so angry this government. Looling after the rail company bosses at the expense of the commuter who has to cram themselves in carriages like cattle.
How do we show our dissatisfaction? Rip off Britain strikes again
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Piss take :angry:
Sick of bloody national rail. My gf pays an astronomical amount to commute to her new job in London at the mo. Had to do a four hour round driven trip the other morning to get her there in time because the trains were heavily delayed (for the third time that week! - she couldn't face having to say she was late because of the rail service again).
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The missus is only on £200 a month (intern ship) and she spends £180 on the train. They are wayne kerrs.
Was a few people about to talk to this morning at London bridge, however i was late because the trains were delayed.
Irony meet definition
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Ridiclous, puts me off looking for jobs in London knowing the fares will carry on increasing with sh!ttier services each year.
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An i tell you what pisses me off most when standing on the platform at 7am waiting for the crush....... The lovely nigh on empty first class carriages that roll by as me an the rest of the herd are gearing up for the battle, we can all see 4 quarter full carriages! Just have 2 first class and make 2 more standard
f**k*rs
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But that would upset the elite, you can't go upsetting them!
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An i tell you what pisses me off most when standing on the platform at 7am waiting for the crush....... The lovely nigh on empty first class carriages that roll by as me an the rest of the herd are gearing up for the battle, we can all see 4 quarter full carriages! Just have 2 first class and make 2 more standard
f**k*rs
I always sit in first class! You think a conductor is going to wade through the hundreds of people in the carriage?!
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Trains are so expensive that it's cheaper to pay for the petrol and price these days.
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Currently paying Just over £10 a day to get to NW london, from SE london. Call it £11 a day.
£11 x 5 =55 a week.
55 X 4 = 220 a month
What pissed me off the most is my journey is only 12 miles, but takes me the best part of 1Hr45m each way to do it. 3 hours of my life I have to spend sitting on a sh!tty train crammed in like sardines. Then to only have to pay MORE for the same sh!tty privilege?
I sometimes drive to work as its quicker and cheaper in some cases. I think il be doing that more often depending what the new prices work out to be.
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But global warming is real so petrol and tax should be expensive
Oh hang on, theres that info NASA found which oddly hasnt been mentioned by anyone?!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/07/27/new-nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-in-global-warming-alarmism/
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An i tell you what pisses me off most when standing on the platform at 7am waiting for the crush....... The lovely nigh on empty first class carriages that roll by as me an the rest of the herd are gearing up for the battle, we can all see 4 quarter full carriages! Just have 2 first class and make 2 more standard
f**k*rs
I always sit in first class! You think a conductor is going to wade through the hundreds of people in the carriage?!
From what I can make out they seem to ONLY check first class
Lazy bastards!
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If they are not on the carriage when you get on, they are not going to come in.
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I dont use the train to commute to work , but I use it often.
Can't you save money buy buying your tickest far inadvance from the trainline.com, seeing as you know you're going for definate.
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You dont save much on peak times
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Why don't you sign up for an evening class at your local college. Then you can get an NUS card and a railcard.
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I get 80% of my travel back so i cant be arsed :laugh:
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They argue that the fee's are going to be used for upgrades. Last time someone upgraded/repaired any problems I had I swear I paid for it after the work was done?
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Least you've got the option of the train. We've got a railway that was closed down many years ago. It's still all there and fully functional as it is occasionally used for freight/pleasure (steam) runs. And yet the government seems to think we all surely must want to be hurled towards London at light speed rather than merely commute (relatively) cleanly and quickly to our own local cities to work.
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I just find it infuriating when they try to justify the rise. Whoever has had to commute at rush hour by train can testify that there are never any upgrades and trains are more often than not jam packed. The newer trains have fewer seats so they can pack more people in!
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a backlash against all these increases. Train fares, petrol, gas, electricity, water, food you name it, it has gone up way above inflation in the last couple of years.
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Just read in the Standard (it's free and i like doing their Sudoku puzzles) that the train companies were capped in raising their prices by the Retail Price Index rate in July + 1%. Tories have increased it to Retail Price Index + 3% and the government will pocket the extra 2 percent. So it won't actually go towards improving trains at all. It'll just go towards the treasuries coffers.
Another stealth tax from the tories. Geez.
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Least you've got the option of the train. We've got a railway that was closed down many years ago. It's still all there and fully functional as it is occasionally used for freight/pleasure (steam) runs. And yet the government seems to think we all surely must want to be hurled towards London at light speed rather than merely commute (relatively) cleanly and quickly to our own local cities to work.
Agreed, for me to travel to london by train from pontefract was a 4 hour 40 minute trip, due to the shocking way the local lines link up .....or dont as the case may be!
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Just read in the Standard (it's free and i like doing their Sudoku puzzles) that the train companies were capped in raising their prices by the Retail Price Index rate in July + 1%. Tories have increased it to Retail Price Index + 3% and the government will pocket the extra 2 percent. So it won't actually go towards improving trains at all. It'll just go towards the treasuries coffers.
Another stealth tax from the tories. Geez.
Proud to say I didn't vote for them. Bunch of c@nts.
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Just read in the Standard (it's free and i like doing their Sudoku puzzles) that the train companies were capped in raising their prices by the Retail Price Index rate in July + 1%. Tories have increased it to Retail Price Index + 3% and the government will pocket the extra 2 percent. So it won't actually go towards improving trains at all. It'll just go towards the treasuries coffers.
Another stealth tax from the tories. Geez.
Proud to say I didn't vote for them. Bunch of c@nts.
You do realise that government subsidize 50% ish of the railways don't you? If it was all paid ofr on ticket prices your train tickets would cost nearly twice as much.
I still think it's a rip off though. I used to travel a lot in Europe and places like france have an awesome and cheap rail system.
Nick
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Just read in the Standard (it's free and i like doing their Sudoku puzzles) that the train companies were capped in raising their prices by the Retail Price Index rate in July + 1%. Tories have increased it to Retail Price Index + 3% and the government will pocket the extra 2 percent. So it won't actually go towards improving trains at all. It'll just go towards the treasuries coffers.
Another stealth tax from the tories. Geez.
Proud to say I didn't vote for them. Bunch of c@nts.
You do realise that government subsidize 50% ish of the railways don't you? If it was all paid ofr on ticket prices your train tickets would cost nearly twice as much.
I still think it's a rip off though. I used to travel a lot in Europe and places like france have an awesome and cheap rail system.
Nick
Yup, but the Tories are doing exactly what everyone has said they will do, which is screw the general public over even more. If the money was going towards improving the rail system it would be fair. But it's not. I'm glad I don't rely on the trains.
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Tax you on the way to work, tax you at work, tax you on the way home...rule brittania.
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I use the German inter city express when working over there, I paid 70€ for me and work mate to travel from Offenburg to Basel in first class with air con,wifi,buffet etc only a few weeks ago....
I 40 € for two to go from Frieburg to the Bodensee in 2nd class with aircon wifi buffet........
like everything else we pay far too much in the uk
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At least you lot have trains :lipsrsealed: I was always impressed by the UK rail services but I guess relying on them for commuting is another story :undecided:
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I would much prefer to drive to work. Did it for 4 years before moving to London and loved it. No need to put up with sweaty arm pits and strangers rubbing up against you. The last part might be a benefit, it depends on who's doing the rubbing.
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What pissed me off the most is my journey is only 12 miles, but takes me the best part of 1Hr45m each way to do it. 3 hours of my life I have to spend sitting on a sh!tty train crammed in like sardines. Then to only have to pay MORE for the same sh!tty privilege?
It's 12 miles.
Get off your fat ass and do it quicker on a bike, save money and improve your fitness too.
What's not to like?
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Privatisation of the railways was always going to be a disaster.
This is simply because if you run all services, not just popular ones, you'll lose a fortune.
Politics of madmen.
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Tax you on the way to work, tax you at work, tax you on the way home...rule brittania.
It's rediculous isn't it. Taxed because we own a car, taxed on the fuel, taxed on the maintenance, to drive to be taxed on what we earn.
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What pissed me off the most is my journey is only 12 miles, but takes me the best part of 1Hr45m each way to do it. 3 hours of my life I have to spend sitting on a sh!tty train crammed in like sardines. Then to only have to pay MORE for the same sh!tty privilege?
It's 12 miles.
Get off your fat ass and do it quicker on a bike, save money and improve your fitness too.
What's not to like?
Biking isn't necessarily more healthier. There are loads at work that cycle into work and the majority have been in a serious accident. I'm talking about broken bones and surgery serious.
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What pissed me off the most is my journey is only 12 miles, but takes me the best part of 1Hr45m each way to do it. 3 hours of my life I have to spend sitting on a sh!tty train crammed in like sardines. Then to only have to pay MORE for the same sh!tty privilege?
It's 12 miles.
Get off your fat ass and do it quicker on a bike, save money and improve your fitness too.
What's not to like?
Biking isn't necessarily more healthier. There are loads at work that cycle into work and the majority have been in a serious accident. I'm talking about broken bones and surgery serious.
London is like the Running Man, if you get off with only one over the bars moment a year you are very lucky.
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Last years losers? :grin:
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I got a train to work a few days back.....
Mrs Doc had to drop me off, then the train / tram combo took 2 hours to get to work, cost for this "fun" £10 quid for the train then the tram to work cost another £3.60 so a total of £13.60 and two hours travelling time after Mrs Doc had dropped my off.
In my car it takes 1 hour and costs in fuel around £3.26 (ish) :rolleyes:
Clownshoes.
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the problem in London is parking. If I were working outside of London then I would drive. Much more comfy
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Current cost - £728.90 per month for me!
Takes and hour on the train, if they run on time!
Network Rail own and operate the track and Infrastructure. Owned by us! And we pay for it out of our taxes.
Train Operating Companies - Privately owned and they set the fares.
The trains should also be brought back into public ownership and we might then have a chance of getting a decent rail service!
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Not quite true Len. A large proportion on fares are regulated and can only increase with permission. Iirc its inflation + 3%.
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24 miles day in day out to get to work, literally risking my life for it? No thanks.
People 'think' that when they hear london and bikes its just everyone complaining about 'oh its unsafe'. The fact is, its not just some over hyped stuff on the news, it literally is that dangerous. Not because of you as a cyclist or even if your a driver. People just dont see you as things are so fast paced/rushed in london traffic.
My ass isnt fat either thank you :D haha. I ride regularly... just not in london.
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Not quite true Len. A large proportion on fares are regulated and can only increase with permission. Iirc its inflation + 3%.
The original fares were set by the TOC's and set high because they knew that certain fares would be regulated.
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In light of stagecoache's dividend payout to shareholders I just had a thought. If I were to buy shares in a train operating company then would I get a subsidised season ticket via the annual dividend? Just a thought.
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I'll tell you what’s a bloody cheek, when you can't face standing for half the journey anymore and you decide to bite the bullet, scrimp and scrape together enough to buy a first class season ticket and find it full of tossers who haven't paid the extra, and have to stand anyway. And trust me I know who you are, you look guilty as sin! :angry:
The ONLY reason I pay the extra it is to get a seat, because the levels of additional service only amount to a paper headrest and a plug!
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london is awful for when needing to travel around, considering the roads are bad with taxis and motorbikes darting in and out of gaps, and buses cutting you up, and cyclists clattering into your wing mirrors, you would think the train service would be better eqiuiped
london, as much as a great city it is, is over cramped and cant cope
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wait till the olympic circus rolls into town next year. Blimey it's going to be a nightmare. I'm gonna see if I can take two weeks off work and go up north.